New JBR 3.5" Wide Path Full Intake In Stock!!

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by exentix what tables specifically for that? would you cut them all equally or smooth them across the board? sorry if thats a dumb question lol. this is the first ive messed with atr

Both maf tables by 1.66. And the wgdc by .5 or so.

[exentix]

i just did the maf cal tables. i was talking about the wastegate tables.

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by exentix i just did the maf cal tables. i was talking about the wastegate tables.

Mult by .5 nigga.

[exentix]

just the wastegate duty cycle table? no other wastegate tables get modified?

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by exentix just the wastegate duty cycle table? no other wastegate tables get modified?

Correct. If I wasn't ac I would do it for you lol

[exentix]

no probs. the deed is done. mafcal tables a and b multiplied by 1.66, and wgdc table cut in half. all from a stock intake map. should be enough to start?

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by exentix no probs. the deed is done. mafcal tables a and b multiplied by 1.66, and wgdc table cut in half. all from a stock intake map. should be enough to start?

Yup. Should run until you get tunned

[exentix]

thanks, ill keep a close eye on it, watch for boost spikes, and monitor my fuel trims.

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by exentix thanks, ill keep a close eye on it, watch for boost spikes, and monitor my fuel trims.

If you need any immediate help let me know.

[exentix]

will do, thanks for all your help

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by exentix will do, thanks for all your help

No prob man.

[Etipp98]

My bracket is worthless.... Lol

tapatawk

[taf0422]

Interesting...my bracket is perfectly placed.

[Boost Addict]

As was mine, I would make sure the coupler is all the way on the turbo and the intake is pushed in all they way.

[Mistersix]

It looks like it just needs picked upward a bit.

[Etipp98]

Coupler is all the way against the turbo since it need to cover the 4 threaded holes on the 4" flange. Is anyone else running this with a 3071 or 3076? If I have mine on the bracket the pipe only goes in about a 1/4 inch on the nearest side and does not hold when clamped.

tapatawk

[JBR]

The intake was designed with a bracket location to fit the stock turbo and big turbos that are in exactly the stock location which most are not. So, that is why your bracket does not match up perfectly. There is no way we could have economically made these to fit every possible turbo application. I suggest making a little extension bracket.

Thanks,
Jamie

[Etipp98]

Figured as much, I don't have an issue not using the bracket, just wanted to point it out so other BT people aren't worried about it not being implemented.

[Boost Addict]

Took the time to clean up mine today. I'm really happy with the placement of the ecu

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[JBR]

^^Looks great man!! If you get time email me some pics I'd like some for our website.

Thanks,
Jamie

[Boost Addict]

Not a problem I can grab a few different angles


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[Boost Addict]

Heres a few more angles, @jbarone PM me your email address and I can send them over to you.

[08.5MS3]

The one piece design and absolute monster of a diameter make me want this fucking thing so badly.

The ECU relocation is the ONLY thing holding me back, I'm a sucker for a clean looking bay.

Very well done, JBR.

[silentwolf8]

Originally Posted by 08.5MS3 The one piece design and absolute monster of a diameter make me want this fucking thing so badly. The ECU relocation is the ONLY thing holding me back, I'm a sucker for a clean looking bay. Very well done, JBR.

It still looks clean even with the ecu re-location.. just a matter on how you do it. lol

i just did mine on top of the fuse box.. and have it slightly lipped under the light housing.

[Mistersix]

@Speedie6

You put that thing in yet?

[taf0422]

Surprisingly what atvfreek and myself have found out is the car is holding more boost at redline as well still tuning as of right now. Then on to e85!!

[Ziggo]

I started throwing a p0335 code after installing the intake. Here is what I have found thus far:
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1501533
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I verified all the electrical connections last night. I don't have a milli-ohm meter or a scope so I can't evaluate the quality of the ground, but I realized I don't really have to since I can directly log MAF voltage.

So what I did this morning was log the MAF voltage with the key on, engine off and engine cold at hot idle and with the key on engine off at hot.

I can't look at the logs till this evening as my laptop is currently dead, but the live data showed both KOEO measurements at .7-.8V and the warm idle (950 rpm) a/c off @ 1V

What does this mean? It means that all cells of the MAFCAL up to ~.9V should be zero. I will look at my tune tonight, but I believe I have a couple cells in the .7-.9V range that are greater than 2g/s, which means that the ECU is expecting to see the CKP sensor responding before the engine is even started.

The larger the MAF, and the higher % of scaling done for e85 will make this problem more apparent.

Note: all MAFs should baseline at the same voltage, but your idle voltage will vary based on the MAF size. If your MAF gets so large that the idle voltage is on top of the base voltage, you are going to have to raise the idle till it gets above the base voltage.
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[fooqr]

I got same code. Will check my MAF voltages and MAF cal tables tonight.

For posterity, my key on, engine off MAV voltage was 0.678v. It was 1.005-1.020v at idle @850 rpm. My MAF table was right about 1 g/s at 0.678v, and it went above 2 g/s at the 0.86v and 0.90v cells.

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[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by Etipp98 My bracket is worthless....

What filter you running? That doesn't look like the AEM.

Originally Posted by Mistersix @Speedie6 You put that thing in yet?

Yeah, that's what she said... LOL

I was going to work on it last weekend, but, I got demotivated after being fairly convinced it just ain't going to work for me. So I didn't touch it. But, I guess I will try to get to it this weekend.

Here's something to blow your mind. If you want to free up some space with a smaller battery, but don't want to compromise on starting power, here's the battery for you:

http://www.lithionicsbattery.com/pdf...-12v_SBS40.pdf

1200 cranking amps, 3.8" wide. Pure Lithium Ion. Only weighs 10 LBS. Charges in half the time of lead acid. Thereby supposedly increases alternator life and slightly improved mileage (as the alternator is running less).

Only slight problem is cost. Over a grand.

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by Ziggo I started throwing a p0335 code after installing the intake. Here is what I have found thus far: P0335 Crank Position Sensor A Circuit Malfunction ------------- I verified all the electrical connections last night. I don't have a milli-ohm meter or a scope so I can't evaluate the quality of the ground, but I realized I don't really have to since I can directly log MAF voltage. So what I did this morning was log the MAF voltage with the key on, engine off and engine cold at hot idle and with the key on engine off at hot. I can't look at the logs till this evening as my laptop is currently dead, but the live data showed both KOEO measurements at .7-.8V and the warm idle (950 rpm) a/c off @ 1V What does this mean? It means that all cells of the MAFCAL up to ~.9V should be zero. I will look at my tune tonight, but I believe I have a couple cells in the .7-.9V range that are greater than 2g/s, which means that the ECU is expecting to see the CKP sensor responding before the engine is even started. The larger the MAF, and the higher % of scaling done for e85 will make this problem more apparent. Note: all MAFs should baseline at the same voltage, but your idle voltage will vary based on the MAF size. If your MAF gets so large that the idle voltage is on top of the base voltage, you are going to have to raise the idle till it gets above the base voltage. ------------ Zigatapatalka

Hmm care to slightly break this done some more? With my intake it's been a battle with my idle trims. I sit around .93 .94. And my trims are never consistent. Another car I'm working on sits at 1.x and his trims are fucking beautiful. So what your saying is that I should bump my idle up a smidge to get my maf voltage above 1.x?

[Etipp98]

Originally Posted by Speedie6 What filter you running? That doesn't look like the AEM.

Its a votionspeed filter. I was using it with my sure aeros. Think it looks better than the aem imo.

[Ziggo]

Originally Posted by dantes5823 Hmm care to slightly break this done some more? With my intake it's been a battle with my idle trims. I sit around .93 .94. And my trims are never consistent. Another car I'm working on sits at 1.x and his trims are fucking beautiful. So what your saying is that I should bump my idle up a smidge to get my maf voltage above 1.x?

What is your idle currently set to?

The effect I am describing just concerns the CEL, but the larger intake could have other side effects on MAF stability. The sensors are designed to operate in a specific voltage range, usually 1.2V to 4.7V IIRC and the larger intake pushes the minimum voltage down, possibly into an unstable region. It could be that it needs to be at least 1V to operate correctly. In the grand scheme of things the idle trims don't really matter though. As long as no CEL and it's idling stable it's not really a concern. As wise men before me have said "Because Racecar"


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[Aaron_Speed3]

so have we figured out a number yet to use to bump the idle trims up a bit to be around the 1V range?

also, @dantes5823 you said both maf tables. in ATR i only see "MAF table A" the rest are all MAP tables. and for the WGDC to do .5 or so, you mean "WG Duty Cycles" under the Wastegate Tables tab?

so far i prepped a OTS for this intake. i did the maf table A to 1.66/66% and i did the WG duty cycles to .5 just wanna be sure im prepping it all correctly.

[f-castrillo]

Originally Posted by Aaron_Speed3 so have we figured out a number yet to use to bump the idle trims up a bit to be around the 1V range? also, @dantes5823 you said both maf tables. in ATR i only see "MAF table A" the rest are all MAP tables. and for the WGDC to do .5 or so, you mean "WG Duty Cycles" under the Wastegate Tables tab? so far i prepped a OTS for this intake. i did the maf table A to 1.66/66% and i did the WG duty cycles to .5 just wanna be sure im prepping it all correctly.

I believe gen1 and MS6 have MAF sensor cal A and B tables (they are identical), and genpu has one MAF fable.


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[Aaron_Speed3]

Originally Posted by f-castrillo I believe gen1 and MS6 have MAF sensor cal A and B tables (they are identical), and genpu has one MAF fable. -- via Jellybean Galaxy Nexus

ah ok cool that makes sense. thanks man

[taf0422]

Would mine have an issue with this when im coasting the car to a stop my rpm's bounce all over the place? They drop to 800 then feels like the car will stall then jumps to 1100 then to 900 then back and forth. Until the car is sitting still for like 3-5 seconds. Then everything idles perfectly. Just has me a little concerned. Does nothing to performance tho.

[Speedie6]

Originally Posted by Etipp98 Its a votionspeed filter. I was using it with my sure aeros. Think it looks better than the aem imo.

Never heard of them. But, I checked their site, only $15 and it does look cooler. Seems like a good deal.

[ckMS3]

Originally Posted by taf0422 Would mine have an issue with this when im coasting the car to a stop my rpm's bounce all over the place? They drop to 800 then feels like the car will stall then jumps to 1100 then to 900 then back and forth. Until the car is sitting still for like 3-5 seconds. Then everything idles perfectly. Just has me a little concerned. Does nothing to performance tho.

Mine feels the same way at idle then its fine after a few seconds..not really concerned about it...

P.S tested this intake out on my buddies 335i (jb4, cp-e dp's, dci ) and only lost by 1 1/2 cars from a 55 roll starting in 4th and I was on pump with just a maf calc so far. Another Great product from JBR!

[dantes5823]

Originally Posted by Aaron_Speed3 so have we figured out a number yet to use to bump the idle trims up a bit to be around the 1V range? also, @dantes5823 you said both maf tables. in ATR i only see "MAF table A" the rest are all MAP tables. and for the WGDC to do .5 or so, you mean "WG Duty Cycles" under the Wastegate Tables tab? so far i prepped a OTS for this intake. i did the maf table A to 1.66/66% and i did the WG duty cycles to .5 just wanna be sure im prepping it all correctly.

The wgdc have nothing to do with the intake. That was for a gs in three port. Now I can't remember if your doing a gs lol. If you are then use but only when you have it installed.

[Aaron_Speed3]

Originally Posted by dantes5823 The wgdc have nothing to do with the intake. That was for a gs in three port. Now I can't remember if your doing a gs lol. If you are then use but only when you have it installed.

yeah yeah i will be once im ready for you to tune but i was just prepping the OTS map to be able to run the intake and such. but im still gonna have to rescale which MAP tables so i can run the 3bar but obviously dont know what tables nor what to change them to lol