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 Old 01-19-2011, 02:17 AM   #1
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Default Got the BNR stage 3 turbo dynoed om ms6

Ok my mods are BNR stage 3
Pg inlet and short ram
CPe fmic
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And other supporting mods but basically fully bolt on



Ok the was on a dyno jet but the numbers don't mean anything to me because my but dyno says way higher numbers
Made
At 1.0 factor
290whp
286wtq at 19 psi
Made full boost at 3300 rpm and held perfect
My tuner said the injector duty cycle was at 89 percent so motor was Maxed out.
And MAF was Maxed out.
The car feel like s complexly different car. Pulls very strong
My thoughton this turbo is wow
I sm so glad I didn't go with the 30r. What make power so late in the rpms. Cars tq is
insane. The turbo had more left in it he said to.


I have dyno sheet but it won't load. If someone can upload it for me that would be great.
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290 on a dyno jet? That doesn't sound right at all.
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Any one able to chime in with what an ATP 2871 with similar mods has done?
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my stock turbo made 320whp and 343wtq on a mustang lol and dudes runnin way bigger turbos are hittin like 25% injector capacity. who the fuck tuned your car and with what???!!!!
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Something's wrong.. Nice upgrades, but not effective(
Maybe you're confusing wheel horsepower with flywheel horsepower. In case the power you mentioned is on wheels, then it is nice, though it is impossible to hit ~300 wheel horsepower without upgrading internals.
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In for more info. Im interested in this turbo.
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im confusing my whp with what im makin at the fly? my dyno is on here somewhere, lemme post the link for ya, and theres dudes makin 400whp stock block, what internals are you talkin about? prepare to be flamed fellas, you need to learn your shit
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i was going to say go talk to dustin about making over 300 on stock internals but hes a new guy i suppose
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Good job all dynoes read different including dynojets. They have 3 calibrations on them and if not calibrated proper will show skewed numbers. As long as it alot faster and its tuned. Congrats.
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i tihnk we need to see data logssssss
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Hmm intresting, I have made more on a Mustang Dyno with a reworked.. And 320WHP on stock turbo = ;/ ??????
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See I think the dyno I was on is off because when I was on stock turbo with alittle less modsit made 263 maxing out the turbo bit I was running low 13s in the quarter.

Also I have a car scale a couple miles a way so I cab find out exacly what my car weight is so I can you my Cobb dyno. But how accurate is the whp on the cobb

Also I ran my buddies srt6 cross fire last night from a roll and he's a 13.00 car constantly and I pulled away nice and steady. So I think I can break 12s no problem. To me dyno numbers don't meen shit to me. My but dyno says it feels way more powerfully than a 290whp car.

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i made 285/320 on a dj with just an intake and tune

shitty tuner is shitty
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286 tq. I'm sry
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Originally Posted by 8.5MS3 View Post
i made 285/320 on a dj with just an intake and tune

shitty tuner is shitty
Just to let you know you can't compare ms3 whp to a ms6.
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Dano made 350whp on a MS3 a few months back, and he has a GT2871 with similar supporting mods
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Originally Posted by boostntomuch View Post
Ok my mods are BNR stage 3
Pg inlet and short ram
CPe fmic
Pg exhast manifold
Turboback
Ptp fuel pump
And other supporting mods but basically fully bolt on



Ok the was on a dyno jet but the numbers don't mean anything to me because my but dyno says way higher numbers
Made
At 1.0 factor
290whp
286wtq at 19 psi
Made full boost at 3300 rpm and held perfect
My tuner said the injector duty cycle was at 89 percent so motor was Maxed out.
And MAF was Maxed out.
The car feel like s complexly different car. Pulls very strong
My thoughton this turbo is wow
I sm so glad I didn't go with the 30r. What make power so late in the rpms. Cars tq is
insane. The turbo had more left in it he said to.


I have dyno sheet but it won't load. If someone can upload it for me that would be great.
Send me the dyno file (.drf) and I'll review it. With CF of 1.0, what is your local altitude? Your numbers are a bit low, but tuning is the key. IDK why your IDC would be maxed unless your pos PTP HPFP is taking a shit on you. The MAF is NOT maxed out at that power level, so IDK WTF the guy was looking at either. Did he tell you the MAF g/s flow? Do you have the logs for the run(s)? My BNR S3 pulled similar numbers with a known VVT problem that blew an injector seal, so there is significant power left in the motor with OEM internals. Don't worry about the mis-guided negative comments from the FWD MS3 folks... LOL
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Never trust the words of a tuner (unless they're known to be good with OUR cars) until you can prove it here on MSF... it will save you a lot of trouble.

If you have an AP, i would post logs...
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Something's wrong.. Nice upgrades, but not effective(
Maybe you're confusing wheel horsepower with flywheel horsepower. In case the power you mentioned is on wheels, then it is nice, though it is impossible to hit ~300 wheel horsepower without upgrading internals.
Something's wrong indeed.
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Well I'm keeping an eye on this thread and I hope BNR S3 turbo proves it's worth. Thanks for posting your results and impressions.
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Something's not right as I had boltons with a TMIC instead of a FMIC, stock CBE, and no EM on that dyno and made 260 AWHP and 300 AWTQ.

I'm curious to see how it drives, thing HAS to make more torque than that.
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Bnr stage three is the size of a 2871 correct? And wouldn't that be the reason for lower torque? I thought that was the case at least.
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Dude you guys are all fucking kidding me right??? LOL Havent any of you guys learned yet that all dynos read different. He just said that his car maxed at 260whp on stock turbo. So from my calcs that puts him right about where it should be. 30-40whp gain with that turbo sounds right. Fuck guys quit raining on his parade when you dont know shit about the tuner or the dynos capabilities. Maybe the info his tuner gave him is a lil off but the numbers dont seem to far fetched to me.

In fact Tim Bailey a very well known tuner was only able to extract just over 300whp out of a 2871r equiped speed6 at 24psi and this guys is only at 19psi. And also surgelines dyno is very generous to say the least. Dont be comparing speed 3 to speed 6 either. They just are not the same thing at all. Huge difference on the dyno between the two.

Oh and one other thing. The reason some of you guys that have stock turbo are seeing more torque than hp is because of boost spikes and boost falling off in topend. On these bigger wheeled turbos you dont get that boost spike down low like the stocker. Look at all the big turbo dyno threads. Torque is either same as hp or less than. Its just the nature of the beast.
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Dude you guys are all fucking kidding me right??? LOL Havent any of you guys learned yet that all dynos read different. He just said that his car maxed at 260whp on stock turbo. So from my calcs that puts him right about where it should be. 30-40whp gain with that turbo sounds right. Fuck guys quit raining on his parade when you dont know shit about the tuner or the dynos capabilities. Maybe the info his tuner gave him is a lil off but the numbers dont seem to far fetched to me.

In fact Tim Bailey a very well known tuner was only able to extract just over 300whp out of a 2871r equiped speed6 at 24psi and this guys is only at 19psi. And also surgelines dyno is very generous to say the least. Dont be comparing speed 3 to speed 6 either. They just are not the same thing at all. Huge difference on the dyno between the two.

Oh and one other thing. The reason some of you guys that have stock turbo are seeing more torque than hp is because of boost spikes and boost falling off in topend. On these bigger wheeled turbos you dont get that boost spike down low like the stocker. Look at all the big turbo dyno threads. Torque is either same as hp or less than. Its just the nature of the beast.
I agree with you that all dynos read differently, and I HATE threads where people compare numbers across dynos, but...

How would you explain the 89% injector duty cycle comment?

I wanna see a datalog.
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Thank you for some one standing up for me. I took a log tonight also I have my dyno sheet if I email my dyno sheet to them could they post it for me. It won't let me. Also I just went on a Cruz with my buddies 12.8 Evo. I held him off all the way up to 110. So numbers don't meen shit to me. Also I went to a scale and weighed my car and I pit in the Cobb dyno and it said I made 333 whp and 343 wtq on a flat road. Give or take a few numbers. That sounds more like the car Feel like it makes makes

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Dude you guys are all fucking kidding me right??? LOL Havent any of you guys learned yet that all dynos read different. He just said that his car maxed at 260whp on stock turbo. So from my calcs that puts him right about where it should be. 30-40whp gain with that turbo sounds right. Fuck guys quit raining on his parade when you dont know shit about the tuner or the dynos capabilities. Maybe the info his tuner gave him is a lil off but the numbers dont seem to far fetched to me.

In fact Tim Bailey a very well known tuner was only able to extract just over 300whp out of a 2871r equiped speed6 at 24psi and this guys is only at 19psi. And also surgelines dyno is very generous to say the least. Dont be comparing speed 3 to speed 6 either. They just are not the same thing at all. Huge difference on the dyno between the two.

Oh and one other thing. The reason some of you guys that have stock turbo are seeing more torque than hp is because of boost spikes and boost falling off in topend. On these bigger wheeled turbos you dont get that boost spike down low like the stocker. Look at all the big turbo dyno threads. Torque is either same as hp or less than. Its just the nature of the beast.
Uh, they make more torque than horsepower because of boost spike? Where did you hear that from? My stock K04 Protune from Tim doesn't have any boost spike and makes 42 more ft/lbs than hp. Tim also tuned a MS6 with EWG 2871 with 8.5:1 pistons that made 310/332 @ 18psi and 323/366 @ 21psi on 92 octane. I agree that you can't compare numbers from different dyno's but Alpha said he was on the SAME dyno "TMIC instead of a FMIC, stock CBE, and no EM on that dyno and made 260 AWHP and 300 AWTQ".
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The stock k04 just cant produce enough air up top to match the power up top to the torque down low. Most peeps on here are building more boost at 3k with stock turbo than 6500. So yeah the boost spikes down low but can hold in high rpms.
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The stock k04 just cant produce enough air up top to match the power up top to the torque down low. Most peeps on here are building more boost at 3k with stock turbo than 6500. So yeah the boost spikes down low but can hold in high rpms.
What do you say about the 2871 Tim tuned making more TQ than HP and with 8.5:1 pistons? The BNR S3 is essentially billed as an IWG 2871, correct? Part of the problem here is that we haven't seen shit for dyno numbers with this BNR stuff so we really don't know what's normal and what's not yet. It's handicapped compared to an EWG 2871 but how much so and where does it fall in comparison to the IWG ATP 2871? Was this Dynojet dyno a load bearing one or not also? As with any dyno tune (especially if it was done on a non load bearing dyno) the OP should be data logging on the street to make sure everything is up to snuff and then makeadjustments.
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Something's wrong.. Nice upgrades, but not effective(
Maybe you're confusing wheel horsepower with flywheel horsepower. In case the power you mentioned is on wheels, then it is nice, though it is impossible to hit ~300 wheel horsepower without upgrading internals.
Something's wrong indeed.
Wrong! u didnt make 300hp on the stock motor? u had 1 of those trashy speeds huh? smh..i clearly broke 300hp on mine. damn.
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I will be installing my BNS Stage 3 tonight followed by a tune very soon after. I am very interested in this thread.

Also is it necessary to run regular oil with these turbos? I think I read in the info I got that we have to use non synthetic oil.

As far as different dyno's go I did a test with my S13 2 years ago and went to 2 different shops in the same day to get dyno'd and the numbers were about 20whp(355whp vs 337whp) off so yes the dyno is a huge difference.

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Yeah, I like the torque the K04 makes...

I just wish it could hold it beyond 4000 RPMS...
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.....Also is it necessary to run regular oil with these turbos? I think I read in the info I got that we have to use non synthetic oil.......
No.......
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....Ok the was on a dyno jet but the numbers don't mean anything to me......
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Made full boost at 3300 rpm and held perfect
My tuner said the injector duty cycle was at 89 percent so motor was Maxed out.
And MAF was Maxed out. ..... I have dyno sheet but it won't load. If someone can upload it for me that would be great.

Ok, boostn sent me a data log along with a photo of the dyno sheet. See attached. Looks pretty good to me. 290 @ te wheels means ~357 crank. The dyno sheet shows no CF, so these are the raw numbers. The log was done on the street, so it isn't the dyno run but note in the log that the IAT was mid 30s and the BAT was in the 60s resulting in some pretty high g/s and MAF numbers.....
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Holy shit that's legit.

The dyno chart looks a little funky, but I can't argue with the (street) datalog.
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Very nice datalog. Holding 20psi solid! I bet your car hauls ass man.
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Car looks to be very fun car. Nice job again. So your logs back up the fact that this dynojet just is a heartbreaker.
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I think this car can make more power with some ignition and intake camshaft timing tweaks....
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So my tune looks ok for the most part? Also I know I'm over 290 whp right
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