ABS and traction control
 

Traction control and ABS light. Is it normal for traction control and ABS light to come on around 115mph? No matter what at those speeds my traction control and ABS light come on and the DFC off light lights up. Is there something wrong or is this normal. I mean I am guessing it is a issue as no other cars I have had have done this but you never know.

Something is wrong, and you should probably not be driving around that fast with your messed up bumper.

You'll need to pull the codes to figure out what exactly is wrong, but it could be something as simple as a bad ABS sensor. I would be willing to bet that the amount of force it took to mess up your front end messed up some stuff underneath the car too. I'd take a very long, careful look at it while it's up in the air for the tires/alignment.

I don't know if you didn't read my post but the kid pulled over a parking curb. And back out out and it ripped the bumper forward from the back. Also if I turn of the key and turn it right back on it goes away. Literally at the same MPH every time the lights come on.

I read what you posted earlier. I don't believe that amount of damage would result from pulling over a parking curb at a normal rate of speed though. The likelihood is that he smacked into it, and fucked up some stuff underneath, including (possibly) an ABS sensor.

Your not reading what I'm saying. He pulled over the parking thing. Then reversed and the reverse caught the bumper and that's what messed it up not going forward going backwards which is why the back side if the bumper is all scrapped up and the front just cracked to shit.

I am reading what you're saying. I'm disagreeing with your diagnosis. Sure, he pulled over it, and had to reverse to get off of it. I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that in the process of pulling in, he was probably going fast enough to hit the wheels on the curb with a reasonably significant amount of force. This could've caused damage to the ABS sensors in one or both of the front wheels.

But its not throwing any engine codes is there a special abs reader? And its not crazy mis aligned or anything pulls a little but not much.

Yes. Not all scanners can pull ABS codes. If youve got a little cheapy one there is a 99% chance it cant pull them.

I have a Bluetooth one. I'll go try orielly.

Yes no codes ABS or other wise are being stored. Any other ideas?

Smacked a parking divide, now pulls a little... If for no other reason, @Vansquish; was right on the money. Put it a rack, take down the panties, have ob/gyn take a peek.

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No way I'd drive that fast in a car throwing abs codes. Definitely wouldn't be cycling ignition switch while moving.

Each wheel has an abs wheel speed sensor (magnetic hall - effect). My guess is that you messed up the shielded wire, the magnetic sensor, or the reluctor wheel on one or both of the axles.

You'll need an abs - enabled scan tool or just an abs code reader.

Listen to what @Vansquish; and @Sandman978; are telling you and get it on a lift asap or you could kill yourself as well as a minivan full of kids.

If your abs light is coming on, then a code will definitely be stored. You just need access to a scan tool that can fetch them.

Been to several places with abs scanner tool no codes stored. Been on a lift nothing wrong with anything under there. Also ftr saying u can't drive fast with no abs is dumbest thing I have ever heard. Before abs came about they drove fast just saying.

No ABS and a malfunctioning ABS system are two very different things.

As an example, if you had a cracked, free-spinning, tone ring, that could cause your car to falsely believe one of your wheels was slipping and engage the ABS/traction control. Not something you want to happen at 100+mph.

I would hope there would be some sort of fail safe at those speeds, but i'm not aware of any...

Pretty sure it disables the abs totally I could be wrong. Either way still can't figure out while I'm not getting a code checked my tires again today the back passenger was about 8 psi off from the others. Just weird no codes on several scanners now also weird the traction control light comes on as well. And the DSC off light pops on.

Do you have the Torque app?

If so, you can load the predefined Ford PIDS and you can then monitor/log all four wheel speed sensors... Might help you troubleshoot if one is faulty.

I do have that app and its the pro version. But loading for ford PIDS? U lost me there lol.

If you load the Predefined Ford PIDs, it'll add PIDs for ABS Wheel Speed Sensors 1-4.
These PIDs will work with your Mazda...

It doesn't have the Mazda speed PIDS can I download those somewhere?

Ok found it Google is my best friend lol. Its 10 dollars for the extra kids which I have no issues paying. But it says for 2007-2009 mine is a 2006 anyone use this with 2006?

The Mazdaspeed PIDs will only add the following (none of which will help you with your current dilemma):

MAF Volts
Actual AFR
Boosted Air Temp
Knock Retard
Actual Pedal Pos
Wastegate Duty Cycle

The years are in reference to MS3s. The '07-'09 PIDs will work for your MS6...

The Ford PIDs I mentioned are included with the Torque app...

Darwin award candidate

How do you think your car determines whether to apply brake for traction control or deploy an airbag in an accident.

Dumbass award goes to 93gts did they have traction control in 1969 no and no airbags either we did just fine then so gtfo of my thread.

Damn! I paid $100 to a dealer to isolate my problem. The wire inside the pigtail had come disconnected. you couldn't see it visually.

I've listed this a few times on the forum already, but if it's of any benefit:

ABS Wheel Speed 1: Front Driver's Side
ABS Wheel Speed 2: Front Passenger's Side
ABS Wheel Speed 3: Rear Driver's Side
ABS Wheel Speed 4: Rear Passenger's Side

I've confirmed the above by jacking up the car and spinning each wheel...

I'll take the dumbass thing in stride for urging you to be safe for the sake of other drivers. You posted on a public forum.

You need to test continuity on the sensor harnesses, inspect the reluctor wheels for damage and corrosion, and test the magnetic sensors and check them for debris to fix your issues. Don't assume that because the magnet works that the sensor is okay... a bad ckp or abs sensor will always stick to a piece of steel unless totally broken.

You started the thread, now you're insulting people for trying to help you. Then you did a complete 180 and state you don't care about abs and traction control.

All I'm implying about the abs dtc is that the cheap sunpro scanners that autozone, napa, and other parts stores have aren't capable of reading the codes because they were made 10 years ago.

Drive as fast as you want, but know you're not safe.

I was just making the statement I wasn't going to kill anyone not that it wasn't safe. Anyways now the car is throwing a P0113 and will start and die just bought the car and guessing someone must of just cleared the codes on me.

And that P0113 should've appeared as a pending code if you'd checked it with a decent scanner.

Also, your attitude leaves a hell of a lot to be desired. You come here, you ask for help, we give you suggestions, and you respond as if we're children and don't know what we're talking about. So far, I've been civil, and I've taken it in stride.

If you think that driving well in excess of highway speeds in a car with a malfunctioning ABS/Stability-control system is without any added risk, you're a fucking idiot, and if you keep it up, you're going to kill someone.

So, seeing as none of us can help Stupid, and you're far enough from me that you're not going to be on the road with me, and that your car isn't actually running now, I'm out.






Oh, and fuck you, you inconsiderate ass.

Ok i'll remember not to drive my 69 mustang at more than 100 mph anymore because it doesn't have any of that stuff. Thats the point I was making just because it doesn't have ABS and traction control does not make it unsafe. Alot of very safe cars don't have all that.

Not having a safety system is VERY different from having a BROKEN/MALFUNCTIONING safety system.

And driving a buck fifteen with a malfunctioning safety system is I'll advised and potentially fatal.

Calling everyone stupid is just plain ignorant.

So let's do some math. You don't listen, you don't think, and you act like a prick. I'm amazed nobody went off on you sooner.

Hate to tell u guys just got back from the dealership. As soon as those two lights come on it disables all safety features so techinally their is then no safety systems but the airbags just as I expected it did. Thanks for stopping by and getting schooled.

Forget the dealer and codes. There is a much better way to test this. Get the car up to 115 on an empty highway, when you see the codes, aim for a large tree or center divider. Slam on brakes within 2 car lengths and let us know what happens.

Also they came up with no codes. As well as stated only way to do anything would be to get the codes to come back on and come back without shutting it off.

This is why self-driving cars are gaining traction. Thanks op...

Jesus Christ, man. What the fuck?

Of course if the system is malfunctioning, that system is disabled. That would be a natural sort of fail-safe to program into the system. Having worked alongside systems programmers and microprocessor programmers who have worked on everything from automatic transmission systems to ABS and SRS systems, I would do my best not to drive a car with a one of those systems malfunctioning, as there's no telling what might happen if the system suddenly re-enables.

Furthermore, I certainly wouldn't fucking drive a car at excessive speeds that has any of those systems that is showing symptoms of malfunctions. For argument's sake (and this is based on actual practical experience), what would happen if the ABS/DSC system was malfunctioning, throwing multiple codes, and suddenly got an "all clear" signal and the codes were deleted from the system? Happily, I worked with some people who had these very sorts of things happen.

Well...in one case, one of the engineers with whom I used to work had all four wheels lock up while he was going in excess of 60mph, and they refused to budge until he stopped the car and key-cycled it. Fortunately, his incident happened on a test track with nobody around except another engineer manning the data acquisition laptop in the passenger seat of the car.

In another case, where on the DSC system threw a code, only one wheel responded to signals to activate the ABS pulse. The result was that the car veered fairly violently to one side at >40mph. Again, thankfully that was also on a test track, not some PUBLIC, FUCKING, ROAD.

Let's not forget that you have a MS6 which also happens to have the very same Takata airbags that are under fucking recall for shooting out shrapnel when deployed. So, despite the fact that your airbag systems were unaffected, you're potentially facing a shrapnel-laced grenade if you hit something when your ABS/DSC system malfunctions (or you overstep your driving abilities) and you crash into some poor, unsuspecting soul with whom your deranged ass shares the road.

Edit:

Congratulations. You have the good fortune to drive a '69 Mustang. Guess what! It doesn't carry much weight as a point of comparison for modern TCS/ABS/DSC systems because it DOESN'T FUCKING HAVE THEM. Whether or not the car has the system is not the issue here. The relevant question is: what happens when the system is MALFUNCTIONING? If it is malfunctioning, there's no telling what the behavior may be, and NO, I wouldn't trust the software/firmware that goes into the ECU/BCM/etc. to successfully control a malfunctioning system. If you don't know where the fault is, it's also possible that the system may not realize there's actually a fault, and it may shut it down, or it may not. Basically, you're driving a car that could respond in an extremely unpredictable and dangerous manner, and you're driving it at breakneck speeds without considering what implications this may have.

Again, you're a fucking idiot, and until you decide to actually do some fucking research, listen to what is said, and not act like a fucking know-it-all prick. You're not likely to get much help from this forum.

Ftr all these speeds where done on a country road one mile long with no side roads with friends posted on each end. We use it for top speed runs a lot because noone is around. Another thing I only did that speed twice so far and that was for testing purposes to see if it occured again which it did. Still no codes stored just cause u guys drive stupid on public roads where other drivers are and race each other all the time doesn't mean I do. If we race side by side we go to the strip other than that we make sure noone is around.

@Raider; this has to be PhillyB.

Nope. @phillyb; would not have an upskirt of his mother in law on facebook. Alright, maybe he would

Inb4lawsuit

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@Raider; Maybe you should check out her profile while your at it. She just posted some photos you might like. LMFAO

They are not public, cannot see em. Post em here...

LOL let me see what I can do. They are not nudes or anything but for a older woman randomly posting them it's weird.

I missed MSF.

@Raider; I always come through

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Also a shot of some of our mustangs there is also a 2013 blue in there if you can see it.

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Blake Lively on meth. Not even once.

Hey if I was drunk I might fuck her with your dick lol.

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ok back on topic @Vansquish; I hate you cause you were right lol. But atleast I can admit when I was wrong. The kid must of hit it harder than was portrayed but that is ok cause I love my car. Who wants to see the worst alignment sheet I have ever seen in my life. Buddy was suppose to align it but says he has a older machine and it would be worth my money to go somewhere else. Atleast he is honest I guess.

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I won't even say that I hate to say I told you so, because I don't, and I told you so.

Glad to see that you got to the root of the issue.

So close to seeing the goods.

Wow posts pictures of mother in law, then admits he was wrong. Maybe there is some merit in being nice to idiots.













Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
@Vansquish; don't proof this one. New OS on the iPad has made it so slow I typed this whole thing before anything showed up.

fixed

LMFAO

Ya she is a tease lol.

What you talkin about Willis?

you spelled vasquish name wrong.

And you were not only driving the car at some unknown speed, repeatedly, in excess of 115 mph and with one rear tire 8 psi below the others, with knowledge that it had been wrecked, believing that hairbrain story about a curb? Blowing off all advice about probable sensor damage, too?

Good diagnostic software can report individual ABS component function or malfunction on each wheel, even without codes being thrown. Get the entire car checked thoroughly by a good shop, lose the attitude (you've made a step finally), and don't drive it over 30 mph or so until all of this is sorted out and repaired. Your own life may not be valuable to you, but there are innocent people out there.

I'm no nanny, and have taken my car above 155 to its aerodynamic drag limit a couple times, under controlled circumstances. What you were doing scares even me. You are lucky you did not blow that low tire at 115+ and then have a failed ABS during a very exciting effort to bring the car to a stop that did not involve your airbags. Oh, yes, they might not be working now, either.

There is hope for you yet. Welcome.