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Originally Posted by Deldran View Post
Listen if you have been a car guy that long owned a mazdaspeed for 5 years you should have already known this. I have only owned my speed since febuary and i knew within the first 3 or 4 days of being on MSF what i should cap my plugs to. Any self respecting car enthusiast should know to gap there plugs to the engines specs.

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I've actually been a car guy for longer than that and have always gapped according to the spark plug manufacturers spec (which happened to be wrong in this instance).
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Originally Posted by Hapa88 View Post
I've actually been a car guy for longer than that and have always gapped according to the spark plug manufacturers spec (which happened to be wrong in this instance).
It is wrong in every instance, spark plug manufactures make there plugs to fit many different makes, models and engines. They are not going to make a whole different part number for each different motor. Brownies will brown i guess.
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I've actually been a car guy for longer than that and have always gapped according to the spark plug manufacturers spec (which happened to be wrong in this instance).
Ok...

There is two ways you can go here...

You can leave this car stock, gap the plugs at stock requirements and go hangout on mazdas247.com

Or...

You can stop trying to argue with us, while curbing your half shitty attempt at being sarcastic... in return, learn about this car and make it fast.

if you want to remain stock, this is NOT the forum for you.
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I stick my cock between the electrode and ground strap and use that to gap
My plugs.







Then I fire up the car with my cock still in the plug. It makes it feel all tingly.


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Originally Posted by silvapain View Post
I stick my cock between the electrode and ground strap and use that to gap
My plugs.







Then I fire up the car with my cock still in the plug. It makes it feel all tingly.


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I would assume your cock isn't motor specific?
I don't like using mine ever since I found the gap it :/ haha

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Originally Posted by lilred View Post
I would assume your cock isn't motor specific?
I don't like using mine ever since I found the gap it :/ haha

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Not at all. I'll stick my cock in any motor. I'm not picky.


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Not at all. I'll stick my cock in any motor. I'm not picky.


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Not at all. I'll stick my cock in any motor. I'm not picky.


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Originally Posted by silvapain View Post
I stick my cock between the electrode and ground strap and use that to gap
My plugs.

So you're saying your cock runs 0.028"?

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Ok...

There is two ways you can go here...

You can leave this car stock, gap the plugs at stock requirements and go hangout on mazdas247.com

Or...

You can stop trying to argue with us, while curbing your half shitty attempt at being sarcastic... in return, learn about this car and make it fast.

if you want to remain stock, this is NOT the forum for you.
Where did you get that my car is stock? I'll update my sig with my mods.... Anyway, the car is fast and I track it regularly to prove it.
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So you're saying your cock runs 0.028"?
wow someone has the best comebacks ever lol, your sense of humor sucks. i wouldnt dis the bearded ones cock consequenes can be dire
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wow someone has the best comebacks ever lol, your sense of humor sucks. i wouldnt dis the bearded ones cock consequenes can be dire
Not trying to make a comeback, just trying to clarify what's being discussed.
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Originally Posted by Hapa88 View Post
So you're saying your cock runs 0.028"?
It sounds much more impressive in metric.


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Originally Posted by silvapain View Post
It sounds much more impressive in metric.


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@Hapa88 You know what's funny is a year ago I wasn't even a member here and googled spark plug gap mazdaspeed 6 and this site popped up with @Haltech's spark plug database. Then I knew I was in love with this forum. Information at a search. I joined shortly after my schooling in Virginia and donated. That never happened in other platforms, you had to ask idiot questions or listen to a parts store guy. Don't get me wrong, I know ONE advanced auto guy who worked as a tech for BMW so I'll take his word into consideration here and there but never have I not found an answer on this forum.

For your comment of sarcasm regarding the forums conduct, while brown, I hope you suffer a million years of flame and never live to see a day where I respect anything you say. Eat shit.
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might be potential yet.....

just a heads up- your ngk's will come set at .044. you'll want to knock them down to .028 for your mods. That's a big change, so expect even less than usual life span, even from your HT tune. Maybe 15K miles at best. /maybe/ 20k if your gentle...
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might be potential yet.....

just a heads up- your ngk's will come set at .044. you'll want to knock them down to .028 for your mods. That's a big change, so expect even less than usual life span, even from your HT tune. Maybe 15K miles at best. /maybe/ 20k if your gentle...
Thanks, the AC Delco ones came gapped at ~0.044", but I opened them up to what their website stated for the MS3 Turbo motor of 0.052" but I guess I know now not to trust them... llooks like it's just a misprint/copy from the standard N/A 2.3L motor.
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oh, I know they did. you actually opening them even more is what makes it soo funny...
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Thanks for that. I was trying to get everything together and went to 4 different shops (1 Autozone, 1 Oriley, & 2 Pep Boys) looking for NGKs and no one had them (nor the Densos).

So would you think that just about any plug referenced to fit the MS3 should be gapped to .028 to .032? (I see some people running Autolites too)
listen, i don't have time to read this whole thread, so i'm sorry if i'm repeating info..

you will need to measure and gap any plugs you buy. some will be gapped correctly, some will need to be adjusted. but you should always measure to make sure. the gap your car needs is determined by the stock gap size as well as your mods. correct gap is car dependent, not plug dependent.

use feeler gauges from an autoparts store to measure gap. do not use normal spark plug gauge to measure or adjust. with the iridiums, you never want to touch the tip, only touch the strap. which means, if you need to widen the gap, you need to only pull up on the strap, not pry it up from the electrode. if this is confusing, do more research and then ask more questions. good luck!
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Originally Posted by tddvrrn View Post
correct gap is car dependent, not plug dependent.
Thank you for the helpful post, but I knew everything else you said except for this one part! This is all I was really looking for from the beginning.

Sounds like theoretically I could regap the plugs I have and it'll probably run a whole lot better (even though I'll just replace them with the NGKs if I'm going through the trouble).

Thanks again.

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oh, I know they did. you actually opening them even more is what makes it soo funny...
Yeah, I'm a I guess I'm just a gap noob.
But at least I basically admitted that in the beginning..
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LOL @ listing spark plug part #s in your mod list.

I'm surprised this car hasn't gone zoom zoom boom yet.....motor or plug specific.....you have to be shitting me...
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So I'm not one to haze on brownies here,
You started out by making a decision that you should install spark plugs and went the easy route and picked them up at your local shop.
They didn't have the NGK's you had heard about and since you had a bad experience with your "NSX" you opted to stay away from Denso's.

But you read the information about platinum tipped iridium plugs and heard what you wanted to hear which is "blah blah blah.. platinum ..blah" and so that means, platinum spark plugs are A-OK.

You get some cheap AC Delco plugs which are NOT listed in our database for a reason.
Next you trust the spark plug gapping form the manufacturer (fine... I get it) BUT the gapping is the same for EVERY single post when asked on this forum. It's a well known gap.

But you heard what you wanted to hear.

This is why we get pissed off, read, understand, look beyond spoon fed answers.
Hell, look up how spark plugs work and the differences between the metals used and what the difference in gaps actually mean.

Just that research would have answered your question.
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I just went from ITV-22's to NGK's getting ready for a pro tune.

NGK's were definitly all around 40 gap.

This was the first time I've ever gapped plugs, so the first one was a bit of a guinea pig.

I tried using a gapper tool to close the gap, but the tool kept bending, it was a coin shaped closed wire one with a metal tab for gapping.

I had previously thought the method of tapping the strap to close the gap was a bit sketchy, but I did that on the remaining 3 and I liked that a lot more.

The guinea pig plug was marred on the top of the strap from the gapper tool, so I OCD bought another single NGK to replace it and do it right.

Just my very recent experience if it helps anyone.

It doesn't look like there's any precious iridum on the strap, but I've been told tapping the strap instead of using a gapper tool preserves the iridium coating. Perhaps those people are just reducing the chance of touching the iridium tip, I didn't wanna take any chances. The strap doesn't look like it has particularly precious metals on the inside though.
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LOL @ listing spark plug part #s in your mod list.

I'm surprised this car hasn't gone zoom zoom boom yet.....motor or plug specific.....you have to be shitting me...
Had to list them because no one reads the garage specs. Every thinks I'm "stock"... Anyway, at least I'm not running All Season tires with all those power mods.
You have to be shitting me, what a waste...
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LOL @ listing spark plug part #s in your mod list.

I'm surprised this car hasn't gone zoom zoom boom yet.....motor or plug specific.....you have to be shitting me...
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But you read the information about platinum tipped iridium plugs and heard what you wanted to hear which is "blah blah blah.. platinum ..blah" and so that means, platinum spark plugs are A-OK.

You get some cheap AC Delco plugs which are NOT listed in our database for a reason.
What is that reason?
Cheap AC Delco? AC Delco plugs are made by NGK, Denso and Bosch..




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Next you trust the spark plug gapping form the manufacturer (fine... I get it) BUT the gapping is the same for EVERY single post when asked on this forum. It's a well known gap.
Sorry, I missed that... I don't come here often.

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But you heard what you wanted to hear.

This is why we get pissed off, read, understand, look beyond spoon fed answers.
Hell, look up how spark plugs work and the differences between the metals used and what the difference in gaps actually mean.

Just that research would have answered your question.
I know what gaps mean!! Read my question, it refers to gap's relation to spark plugs or motors!!! I know metals.
Anyway, I haven't seen an article written by any authority yet though about why platinum plugs are bad for turbos (there are tons of OEM turbo cars that ran Platinum plugs in the past, Porsche, Volvo, Supras). Anyway, most of it seems to be perpetuated hearsay on internet forums. If you've seen such an article, please feel free to link me to it.
Thanks!

Anyway, sorry for the late responses. Got the NGK LTR7IX-11s in, gapped at 0.028 and spent all day today at Buttonwillow Raceway "pushing the platform" and letting everyone know about the MS3 and showing them what it could do.
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Last weekend I did my spark plugs @ 80k miles. (last change was done @ 30k). Due to a cylinder misfire code.

Replaced with NGK Iridium, new ones gapped to 0.28" and installed to 15 ft lbs torque.

However, i also measured the ones that i removed, which were gapped to 0.28" and installed per above a few years ago. The gap on the ones that were removed ranged between 0.35-0.45".

I thought that was very interesting. Looked as if over time the metal got hot and maybe the gap increased? That's the only theory i have. Other than that they look like normal plugs, no mechanical damage, oil, or anything abnormal.

Thoughts? Others observed this?
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I regapped mine after water entered my engine. Plug gaps were opened up over time. Mine had about 32k miles on them. So I believe it is normal.
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In Hapa88's defense, I recently have got my first Mazdaspeed3, and no i'm not a new face in the tuner scence. Ive done several builds, turbo and N/a. I have never have had any issues with going to Autozone and telling them what my car profile is. Then walking out with a set of plugs of choice from their list of OE Direct Replacements. Now when i went to go get a set for my speed for the first time, I was presented with a short list of plugs from the cleark at vatozone. I just went with the same AC Delco plugs as Hapa88 did. Its very very missleading and hurts my OCD brain to have been recommended these plugs by a big retailer like that. When I went back home and looked on the Autozone website (autozone and orielys). Believe it or not, actually all the plugs listed for the speed3, are all plugs that aren't on the reccomended list that Corksport has or the list on this forum. So why the heck is Autozone giving such false info?? Hmm.. Well the natural thing to do would be to lean to lean towards the thought that the forum is most likely recommending plugs that arent OEM replacemnts, but are more then likely alternative plug choices that suit the MS3 on a performance standpoint. That being said... a performace standpoint is what I was personally after, as I'm a enthusiast and I then proceeded to quickly yank out the Delco junk, and popped in some NKG step colders. It truly is a honest mistake for a new guy. Maybe not someone 5 yrs deep into owning a speed3 but you see where im going with this. And no I have not refrenced my owners manual ever, because that's just not something a tech savy kinda guy does around here.
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Always better to use the gold mine data base on this board before taking parts store advice. Our car is a low volume limited edition variant of the MS3 or MS6 with many engine, drivetrain and other parts that are different. Big box parts stores simply never understood this.

Even the good one step colder NGK plugs (see below) are really for a totally different car and come with a huge gap that must be gapped down to .026”-.028”.
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