New Member: SRT4 vs MS3

[johnredding]

In the YouTube description it says "JDM angle exhaust"....on a Dodge...

[PU Manchu]

Originally Posted by hinkema1 Like I said...If you want a DD that is fun right out of the box the MS3 is the car. But if you want to build a fun fast car that isnt your DD then the srt4 is the car.

You really can't think of any better platform for a non-DD project car?

Retard.

[Design]

Originally Posted by HardHitter I just sold my second GTO and I'm now looking into a "cheaper" car with the criteria of fun, easy power and no worries car. I think the Mazdaspeed3 and the SRT4 fit into that.

From purely a performance per dollar perspective:

ACR NSRT-4 > 04+ NSRT-4 > MS3 > 03 NSRT-4 > CSRT-4

[chuckms6]

Originally Posted by 06Speed6 true story, silverado SS isnt worth mentioning, Raptor is. Most SRT4s are dog ass slow though, ive schooled many a charger.

The silverado had bolt on's stripped interior and may or may not have been spraying...we were dead even from a dig then I started pulling hard in 3rd gear

Tapatalking

[HardHitter]

I think overall, the MS3, like you guys said, is the "classier" car and I'm sure more comforting and better build than the SRT4.

Should I be able to find a first gen MS3 in my price range of $15K and less without a buttload of miles on it?

Lastly, living in CA sucks, so we have certain smog laws. Are there any good performance upgrades that are still CARB legal? For example, I had my 2000 Audi S4 in which I swapped out my fueling, turbos and some other engine work. The smog techs were unable to tell the difference between stock turbos and the upgraded turbos and as long as it passed the sniffer, they had no idea anything was changed. I'm hoping this to be the same situations with the MS3?

[93silvergt]

ms3: better interior, better style, better rep, more rare, cops confuse it with family car, quiter, 6speed, hatch for trunk, control arms that don't go bad every 5k miles.

srt4: cheap, cheap to build, viper seats are decent

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by HardHitter I think overall, the MS3, like you guys said, is the "classier" car and I'm sure more comforting and better build than the SRT4. Should I be able to find a first gen MS3 in my price range of $15K and less without a buttload of miles on it? Lastly, living in CA sucks, so we have certain smog laws. Are there any good performance upgrades that are still CARB legal? For example, I had my 2000 Audi S4 in which I swapped out my fueling, turbos and some other engine work. The smog techs were unable to tell the difference between stock turbos and the upgraded turbos and as long as it passed the sniffer, they had no idea anything was changed. I'm hoping this to be the same situations with the MS3?

Talk him down

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[HardHitter]

Originally Posted by 93silvergt ms3: better interior, better style, better rep, more rare, cops confuse it with family car, quiter, 6speed, hatch for trunk, control arms that don't go bad every 5k miles. srt4: cheap, cheap to build, viper seats are decent

The highlighted bold is exactly what I want. With my RX8 and RX7s cops always associated it with racing even if I wasn't doing anything.

Once I got my GTOs, cops were giving my thumbs up as I ran open headers next to them. When I had my 380awhp+ Audi S4, cops didn't even know it was modded because they don't think luxury cars are "moddable"

One last thing that I just noticed doing some searches, it seems as though there are people using the same turbos I had on my Stage 3 S4 that they put on their MS3, the K04s.

[Mclovin80]

Plain and simple, the SRT-4 no matter how fast or how much horsepower you add is still a Dodge. If you want a car built with a little more brain power that keeps advancing and has a much better build quality, go with the MS3.

[93silvergt]

Originally Posted by HardHitter The highlighted bold is exactly what I want. With my RX8 and RX7s cops always associated it with racing even if I wasn't doing anything. Once I got my GTOs, cops were giving my thumbs up as I ran open headers next to them. When I had my 380awhp+ Audi S4, cops didn't even know it was modded because they don't think luxury cars are "moddable" One last thing that I just noticed doing some searches, it seems as though there are people using the same turbos I had on my Stage 3 S4 that they put on their MS3, the K04s.

You don't put a k04 on a ms3. It COMES with a k04 stock. Pretty good turbo IMO for a stock sports car.

p.s. you didn't bold anything

[HardHitter]

Originally Posted by 93silvergt You don't put a k04 on a ms3. It COMES with a k04 stock. Pretty good turbo IMO for a stock sports car. p.s. you didn't bold anything

It is bolded in the quote itself on the post but it's hard to see. I bolded the part where he said "cops confuse it with family car"

I didn't know it came with a K04 turbo. My Stage 3 S4 had two K04's and they were good for 370ish awhp and 400ish awtq to the wheels

[93silvergt]

Originally Posted by HardHitter It is bolded in the quote itself on the post but it's hard to see. I bolded the part where he said "cops confuse it with family car" I didn't know it came with a K04 turbo. My Stage 3 S4 had two K04's and they were good for 370ish awhp and 400ish awtq to the wheels

Haha I see it now! Thats really tough to see.

[best_predator]

Speeds are made in Japan, and they are pretty anal with their testing procedures, so if bought new you know you get quality. The Mazda 2.3DISI is a great engine. SRT4 is still a Neon pre-steroids.

[Onelovesoccer]

Originally Posted by HardHitter Lastly, living in CA sucks, so we have certain smog laws. Are there any good performance upgrades that are still CARB legal?

exhaust wise, nothing you can do since no aftermarket cats are CARB legal. however, you can at least put a test pipe on and swap it out when you have to do emissions. that's a simple change to make. if you are experienced with a wrench, you can do the downpipe too. but that's much more of a bitch. you can read the threads on here about performance gains after replacing the upper downpipe and see if it is worth it.

there are options for intakes though. Cobb and Corksport make CARB certified intakes. and SURE is currently getting theirs certified (including all their 3"+ options). other than that, you'll still be able to do an e85 tune, internals, motor mounts, bigger turbo, etc.

[Spec]

Look at an aged srt-4 and an ms3. They both can be what you put into them but not only do you get versatility with an ms3 being a hatch but, you get this forum to boot. Easy choice.

[RdotQelo]

[CamSpeed360]

It's funny to think that people actually "upgrade" those cars to a k04 when our cars come with it from the factory.

[lwolf]

Get an MS6. AWD FTW!

[mr.speedy3]

I've owned a neon, and driven an SRT-4... I've read this post and it's pretty great.

The SRT-4 can be crazy fast. I seen one the other day that I swear was a turbo diesel truck before I seen it was a neon. Thing was stupid fast. He made the mustang that attempted to race him look like he wasn't moving. However, it looked like crap. The neon is just not as good of build quality as the Mazda...

I now drive a MS3... I absolutely love it. With just simple mods you can be fooled into thinking you're driving a rocket. And if you want a daily driver with good MPG, you can push close to 30mpg if you stay out of boost... My favorite part about the MS3 is that most performance parts I add, I seem to get not only a faster rocket, but better MPG when I play nice.

But if you want to not spend the money for the Speed3, you can get a fully build stage 3 SRT-4 for about the same price as a lightly modded Speed.

[Raider]

SRT-4 is still a chick car that you cannot roll the rear windows down from the driver's seat.

And less and less are on the road, as they last as long s regular ones. Hopefully, we will be free of them in 2-4 years.

[Ayaritz]

All of the SRT-4 guys I know have to run shit axles so they don't break their even shittier transmissions...

[snOhio]

i considered one when i was looking for cars. gave up when i realized that all the srt4s around here were either beat to crap or way overpriced. was able to find several nicer used MS3s.

[Raider]

Well, if you get an SRT-4, you can be happy to know these are a direct fit:

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[zkrick]

Because this

SRT4 burnout fail: burns clutch not tires - YouTube

SRT4 burnout fail: burns clutch not tires - YouTube

[Raider]

Originally Posted by zkrick Because this [SRT4 burnout fail: burns clutch not tires]

It'll be alright..

best line in the video.

[LilGator]

A 300hp AWD Dart SRT4 would be interesting.

Still a Dodge though.

[HardHitter]

Found a 2007 MS3 at a dealership and was able to test drive it. First time I got on it the wheel jerked to the left and seemed to pull left and right. I'm assuming this is what everyone calls torque steer?

If the car is already like this at stock power, I'm wondering how it is when you start modding.

[Raider]

Motor mounts and driver mod fix it.

[3Gee Tee]

Jack off more to get your forearms and shoulders stronger too.



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[chuckms6]

Originally Posted by HardHitter Found a 2007 MS3 at a dealership and was able to test drive it. First time I got on it the wheel jerked to the left and seemed to pull left and right. I'm assuming this is what everyone calls torque steer? If the car is already like this at stock power, I'm wondering how it is when you start modding.

and you think a srt4 will be any better?

[Raider]

Originally Posted by chuckms6 and you think a srt4 will be any better?

Well, you would be driving a shit car, that is the difference.

[xb2ms3]

Originally Posted by socalsrt4 I would think the speed3 would be a little more of a sleeper... since the only thing visually that separates a gen1 speed3 from a stock mazda3 is the wheels.

Wrong but its ok you purposely bought a Calibur so you must have some kind of problems with your eyesight.

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by xb2ms3 Wrong but its ok you purposely bought a Calibur so you must have some kind of problems with your eyesight.

I'll just say LOL, cuz you don't know.

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[xb2ms3]

Originally Posted by MS3MYK I'll just say LOL, cuz you don't know. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2

Lol, I could care less how fast it is.

[Raider]

This is not even a good thread. The srt4 is not even in the same class as ms3. Compare the srt4 with a buttplug, a Civic, and a used condom. The consensus: Fucked, fucked, fucked, and fucked. It's then a decision how you want your fucking.

[socalsrt4]

Originally Posted by xb2ms3 Wrong but its ok you purposely bought a Calibur so you must have some kind of problems with your eyesight.

I actually test drove 4 fwd turbo cars. The csrt4 was the most fun to drive IMO. But your response is exactly what I've learned to expect from here, so it's cool. lol

Originally Posted by MS3MYK I'll just say LOL, cuz you don't know. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2

lol... s'ok Mike.

Originally Posted by xb2ms3 Lol, I could care less how fast it is.

That's because you're not fast. If you were, you'd care a little more.

Originally Posted by Raider This is not even a good thread. The srt4 is not even in the same class as ms3. Compare the srt4 with a buttplug, a Civic, and a used condom. The consensus: Fucked, fucked, fucked, and fucked. It's then a decision how you want your fucking.

Uhm... this is so jevenile that I really have no comment... so, no comment. lol

Originally Posted by zkrick Because this SRT4 burnout fail: burns clutch not tires - YouTube

lmao... really?

So this?

Turbo Fail - YouTube

Turbo Fail - YouTube

and this?

2000 Civic SI (Me) Vs Mazda Speed 3 - YouTube

2000 Civic SI (Me) Vs Mazda Speed 3 - YouTube

A civic? really?
Or this?

Brake failure totals Mazdaspeed 3 at race track - YouTube

Brake failure totals Mazdaspeed 3 at race track - YouTube

We can do the failed videos all day long. Every car out there has had its failures.

I actually really like the speed3 and the owners of them that I've met. But all i can do when i read threads like this is laugh.

[Raider]

*juvenile.

FYDN SMNF.

[xb2ms3]

Originally Posted by socalsrt4 That's because you're not fast. If you were, you'd care a little more.

Wrong.

Theres 500 hp rust bucket civics faster than me I could care less.

Since YOU seem to care so much, if theres a faster car than your superfast Dodge Cailber, will you suck his dick?

If you think the Caliber is a good looking car, good for you, fat ugly bitches need love too.

There are more visual differences between the gen 1 mazda 3 and ms3 besides the wheels but since you own a caliber...

[jseams]

Um, that civic lost by a car 1/2 ... or was your point that the civic got the jump?

[dsmluck]

The MS3 is a nicer car by far. The dodge has a horrific interior. Still I pretty much like any turbo shitbox so I wouldn't be opposed to picking one up cheap and modding the piss out of it. The MS3 makes a much better daily driver but if I was looking for a car to just beat on at the track and not worry about breaking shit it would be the SRT.