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Decided to open a new thread. I don't know enough about porting work to know if it is a quality job or not, but, my installer was impressed. He said he's seen port work that looked like it was done with a pickax. But he said the port work on my manifold was top-notch. Don't know yet about how it runs, but, he liked the work. Just thought John might like to hear this.

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Could they use some thicker gaskets to keep the drop in the CR to a minimum? I remember in my last car many big hp folks ran Cometic 3 or 4 layer head gaskets.
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Well, I started a shit-storm in the PG thread, so, I think I should drop discussion of that product. I hear rumors of someone else doing a teflon gasket that might be better.
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I wasn't thinking about the Teflon or phenolic type of spacers. I was thinking more like multi-layers steel gaskets.

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We seem to be talking about two different things. Head gaskets are very different from the gaskets for the manifold.
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Never mind the last post. We're definitely talking about two different things.
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Any pics? I have an extra intake I would like to get ported.
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Originally Posted by Rutedown View Post
Never mind the last post. We're definitely talking about two different things.
I renamed the thread to make it more explicit that I was talking about the intake manifold porting. You must have thought I was talking about the head work.
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Originally Posted by 6-Speed-6 View Post
Any pics? I have an extra intake I would like to get ported.
No. As soon as I got it in, I dropped it off at my shop. Sorry. I thought John said he was going to do some pics before shipping, but, maybe I'm mistaken.
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what is he charging for the PNP?
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Originally Posted by Rutedown View Post
Could they use some thicker gaskets to keep the drop in the CR to a minimum? I remember in my last car many big hp folks ran Cometic 3 or 4 layer head gaskets.
You are talking head gaskets, check our site we have them listed with head studs.

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Well, I started a shit-storm in the PG thread, so, I think I should drop discussion of that product. I hear rumors of someone else doing a teflon gasket that might be better.
LOL, sorry to hear that. I am not going to get involved with this but we should have our gaskets out soon.

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I wasn't thinking about the Teflon or phenolic type of spacers. I was thinking more like multi-layers steel gaskets.

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Listed on our site. 5 layer head gasket with head studs. Should drop .2 CR from the motor.

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We seem to be talking about two different things. Head gaskets are very different from the gaskets for the manifold.
Yes we are, and I hope that I have gotten that answered, thanks.

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Never mind the last post. We're definitely talking about two different things.
Got you taken care of.

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Any pics? I have an extra intake I would like to get ported.
Look at the bottom of this post for details as well as pictures (or a link).

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No. As soon as I got it in, I dropped it off at my shop. Sorry. I thought John said he was going to do some pics before shipping, but, maybe I'm mistaken.
I have some, I will get them posted.

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what is he charging for the PNP?
$400 for the port work, EGT delete and VTA runner flapper delete. If you want me to cut and weld the holes in the top of the manifold off and smooth them we can for an additional charge. Thanks.

Here is a link http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...ok-around.html and a picture below. Thanks guys.
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$400 for the port work, EGT delete and VTA runner flapper delete. If you want me to cut and weld the holes in the top of the manifold off and smooth them we can for an additional charge. Thanks.
I don't even know what all I got. I believe I got all of that, except maybe that last part about the cutting and welding the top holes, whatever that is. Can you elaborate?

P.S. You forgot to say thanks for the plug from my shop!
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Originally Posted by Speedie6 View Post
I don't even know what all I got. I believe I got all of that, except maybe that last part about the cutting and welding the top holes, whatever that is. Can you elaborate?

P.S. You forgot to say thanks for the plug from my shop!
Sorry, tell them thanks for me.

We didn't fill weld or plug those because we never talked about it. That is what we would do if your were going to do the complete VTA delete. We didn't have time to talk about this so... you got what we could get done as soon as possible.
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We didn't fill weld or plug those because we never talked about it. That is what we would do if your were going to do the complete VTA delete. We didn't have time to talk about this so... you got what we could get done as soon as possible.
Well, I did say I wanted the works. But, I also said I was under time constraints.

At any rate, I don't even understand this VTA delete. Can you elaborate? I know that the BOV can be run in recirc or VTA, as can a wastegate. But I don't know about what you are talking about.
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i think he is talking about VTCS delete..
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Well, I did say I wanted the works. But, I also said I was under time constraints.

At any rate, I don't even understand this VTA delete. Can you elaborate? I know that the BOV can be run in recirc or VTA, as can a wastegate. But I don't know about what you are talking about.
What he said VVVV.

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i think he is talking about VTCS delete..
Yes, thanks. VTCS delete was performed on the manifold in question.
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mine is off getting done right now......think I'm gonna powder coat it before installing though.
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mine is off getting done right now......think I'm gonna powder coat it before installing though.
I would check on ceramic before powder coating it. Just helps with the heat.
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Pcoating works well. Been done on many, mine will be done by bonehead performance. There will be pics soon of my completed mani
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Keep us posted with pictures when its all done, thanks.
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mine is off getting done right now......think I'm gonna powder coat it before installing though.
I had plans on getting mine ceramic'ed. I have ceramic on my exhaust manifold and on my DP. But, due to some time constraints, I decided to blow it off. So, no ceramic on my intake mani.
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Yes, thanks. VTCS delete was performed on the manifold in question.
Okay, I have heard of VTCS. But, I'm pretty ignorant about it too. Can you elaborate? And, if you did do the VTCS delete, then, what was the other thing you said that you could do for an extra cost?
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Okay, I have heard of VTCS. But, I'm pretty ignorant about it too. Can you elaborate? And, if you did do the VTCS delete, then, what was the other thing you said that you could do for an extra cost?
Ok the VTCS delete is getting rid of those flappers in the runners. The extra thing I could do for you was to weld up the vacuum ports to the runners for the VTCS control and the runner shaft to the number 4 cly. I didn't do any of this due to the time restraints we had on getting the manifold done. I did get the VTCS cut out and sealed up as well as the runners ported and t-body side ported out and cleaned up. We also deleted the EGR port like we talked about. That is what you got and its going to work just fine, its just going to look like a stock manifold (sleeper look) when people look at it.
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That is what you got and its going to work just fine, its just going to look like a stock manifold (sleeper look) when people look at it.
That's fine. Thanks.

In some thread, I think you said that the VTCS delete takes like 200 RPM off spool time. Did I recall correctly? Thanks.
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Reviving a dead thread...

I saw a thread on another forum talking about his intake porting. (In the same thread, he also talks about his design for a PCV fix, but, that isn't what I'm wanting to address here.) So, about his intake porting:

StreetUnitForum.com (see post #57)

There is discussion about balancing the flow. Our runners are of different lengths, and so they don't get the same flow. His machine shop was doing what they can with the thing to balance the flow. I don't know how he measured CFM, but, in his post, he claims the CFM's are now at least close to balanced, if not perfect. I don't know how he measured CFM.

But, I was just wondering if PTP had done any attempts to balance the flow? Since I got his port work done, I was just curious as to what the impact on the balance might be of John's work.
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Reviving a dead thread...

I saw a thread on another forum talking about his intake porting. (In the same thread, he also talks about his design for a PCV fix, but, that isn't what I'm wanting to address here.) So, about his intake porting:

StreetUnitForum.com (see post #57)

There is discussion about balancing the flow. Our runners are of different lengths, and so they don't get the same flow. His machine shop was doing what they can with the thing to balance the flow. I don't know how he measured CFM, but, in his post, he claims the CFM's are now at least close to balanced, if not perfect. I don't know how he measured CFM.

But, I was just wondering if PTP had done any attempts to balance the flow? Since I got his port work done, I was just curious as to what the impact on the balance might be of John's work.
Yes we have but there is one problem with this, flow is not that big of a deal at vacuum or at 0, its when you start adding boost to the car that you need to measure flow at. As soon as you go from sucking to blowing into the manifold things are going to change. This is why we send our manifolds out to be sonic tested (NV has a test staition that does this) and dye marked. When we get the manifolds back we can then check where the dye is and find out what runners need to have what done to them. After that we take measurments of the runners (some times we pour a high density foam mold) so we can keep accurate port shapes.

The sonic testing is the only way you can get "flow" numbers when it comes to a pressurized part, and the flow numbers are skewed because its "under pressure", so if I were to tell you that the stock manifold flowed 1800 + CFM people would call BS, but that is with it tested at 30 psi.

Like it was said in another thread..... thems just numbers, its not until you get it on the dyno or at the track to verify that its working better than the OEM part.
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Yes we have but there is one problem with this, flow is not that big of a deal at vacuum or at 0, its when you start adding boost to the car that you need to measure flow at. As soon as you go from sucking to blowing into the manifold things are going to change. This is why we send our manifolds out to be sonic tested (NV has a test staition that does this) and dye marked. When we get the manifolds back we can then check where the dye is and find out what runners need to have what done to them. After that we take measurments of the runners (some times we pour a high density foam mold) so we can keep accurate port shapes.

The sonic testing is the only way you can get "flow" numbers when it comes to a pressurized part, and the flow numbers are skewed because its "under pressure", so if I were to tell you that the stock manifold flowed 1800 + CFM people would call BS, but that is with it tested at 30 psi.
I didn't know there was that much into it. Thanks for the info.
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Side note: I have a stock intake for sale if anyone wants it and send it to PTP for porting. I can even ship it directly to PTP if someone wants too.

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Side note: I have a stock intake for sale if anyone wants it and send it to PTP for porting. I can even ship it directly to PTP if someone wants too.

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Side note: I have a stock intake for sale if anyone wants it and send it to PTP for porting. I can even ship it directly to PTP if someone wants too.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...art-out-39984/
someone else is selling theirs too for $50 cheaper....
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How much is the P-n-P through PTP?
He has a few different options, whether you do the VCTS delete, EGR delete. I think mine was $400, but, I can't remember for sure. But, if I was doing again, I would not get the EGR delete, and do that external/reversable for emissions test reasons.
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John,

how much for the p-n-p with the vcts delete (including filling all the holes and stuff)?

Also, reply to my PM damnit!!
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how much for the p-n-p with the vcts delete (including filling all the holes and stuff)?

Also, reply to my PM damnit!!
PM replied to, thanks.

$450 for the works, this would be welded up and smoothed manifold with the delete and vacuum canister mod directions.

We can PC for $80 more and Ceramic for $140 additional. Let me know when you want to get this done.

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