Treadstone Core vs Ebay Cores before after logs?

[Chicagospeed6]

I want to get a FMIC, but was waiting to buy a treadstone TR6 core (i don't want to cut crash bar) and just buy the ebay piping. I searched on here for a while and could only find posts about guys who upgraded to treadstones but not any logs. Anyone have any logs with ebay core then treadstone after for a similar sized cores?

[dpolseno41]

MSF is obsessed with BAT's. Search more. You don't need logs to find what you are looking for.

[TWOptSL0W]

its all the same shit. make measurements of what you can actually fit under your crashbar and then get a cxracing one

[sallyspeed3]

hey, are you from chicago?

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by TWOptSL0W its all the same shit. make measurements of what you can actually fit under your crashbar and then get a cxracing one

def not all the same.......


treadstone has a much denser core then CX

[TWOptSL0W]

Originally Posted by superskaterxes def not all the same....... treadstone has a much denser core then CX

you win...again

[superskaterxes]

Originally Posted by TWOptSL0W you win...again

dont get butt hurt cause you dont kno the difference. clearly they arent the same so why would you say they are?



CX core:



treadstone core:

[TWOptSL0W]

because to be honest, i thought they were, i am now proven wrong, no butt hurt involved

[sallyspeed3]

hmm, nice pictures, how does godspeed compare to treadstone?

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by sallyspeed3 hey, are you from chicago?

I'm from the Chicago burbs. Are you from here?

Originally Posted by superskaterxes def not all the same....... treadstone has a much denser core then CX

I saw that pic and trust me I've been searching like a mad man. I just was wondering if someone had logs I could check out. I've already spend a lot. I could buy ebay kit right now but I'd rather go with a quality core if it's a huge difference.

[sallyspeed3]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 I'm from the Chicago burbs. Are you from here?

No I was just being a smart ass. Although, my aunt does live in Chicago, has a place in Crete as well. She's the harpist in the CSO.

[Ray Danger 2020]

My buddy has a treadstone tr8. Gets his BAT's super fuking low. Below IAT's all the time. Not sure how that works but it does. Definately go treadstone or something comparable. If you go cheap on the core you will definately be disappointed. I'll search around a bit and see if I can't find the log he posted the day we finally got the thing crammed in there and get back to you.

[Ray Danger 2020]

5 Minutes of searching.......jeopardy music.......TA DA!!

Found it....

As you can see, for a moment, his BAT's are a full 10 degrees cooler than his IAT's. That is until the turbo turns into a flamethrower and no intercooler, no matter how efficient or magical, could possibly keep up. The K04 just runs too hot. Anyway, definately go treadstone. I know I will when eventually go FMIC probably next summer.

[dpolseno41]

Vibrant Performance ::.

Feels like I'm the only one running this intercooler around here. I love it, dimensions are perfect and in my opinion it has the best mounting option out of any intercooler I've seen.

[ckMS3]

Do NOT get a cheap core! Do it right and get a treadstone core the first time around. I have the cx racing core and during a pull in 82* weather bat's are only dropping 3* then start to climb back up, it's horrible..

[rob ms6gt]

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...69/index6.html

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[anavrinIV]

Originally Posted by sallyspeed3 hmm, nice pictures, how does godspeed compare to treadstone?

the godspeed fin density looks basically like the cx racing core, so I'd put it on par with that.

[93silvergt]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 I'm from the Chicago burbs. Are you from here? I saw that pic and trust me I've been searching like a mad man. I just was wondering if someone had logs I could check out. I've already spend a lot. I could buy ebay kit right now but I'd rather go with a quality core if it's a huge difference.

Plainfield here, about 45 minutes outside of chicago. You?

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by Ray Danger 2020 5 Minutes of searching.......jeopardy music.......TA DA!! Found it.... As you can see, for a moment, his BAT's are a full 10 degrees cooler than his IAT's. That is until the turbo turns into a flamethrower and no intercooler, no matter how efficient or magical, could possibly keep up. The K04 just runs too hot. Anyway, definately go treadstone. I know I will when eventually go FMIC probably next summer.

Thanks...this is the type of info I was needing. I'm going to go for a treadstone.

Originally Posted by dpolseno41 Vibrant Performance ::. Feels like I'm the only one running this intercooler around here. I love it, dimensions are perfect and in my opinion it has the best mounting option out of any intercooler I've seen.

A little bit more than I wanted to spend. i've already spent a ton of modding my car. lol

Originally Posted by 93silvergt Plainfield here, about 45 minutes outside of chicago. You?

I'm actually 5 minutes from Plainfield as I type. I'm at my friends house in Naperville. I'm from Warrenville.

[Ray Danger 2020]

[QUOTE=Chicagospeed6;1591398]Thanks...this is the type of info I was needing. I'm going to go for a treadstone. QUOTE]

If you want more info on the intercooler itself, the log was provided by Mistersix. He's actually had the BAT's within a few degrees of ambient...lol

[Mistersix]

I went with the treadstone after studying intercooler core design a bit. Superior cores have cross sectioned fins in the inside. This increases overall contact between the flowing air and the metal fins. the pics superskaterxes posted show this example. The cheap core just has pathways for the air to flow threw. The treadstone forces the air to constaly make contact with a new fin increasing its efficiency threw density without hampering flow.

Its a LOT of work going custom fmic. I didn't see any point in cutting and hacking for an entire weekend just to have lousy results because i cheaped out on the most important ingredient in the recipe. And the results speak for them self. The tr-8 sheds the heat so fast my bats are consistently at IAT or lower no matter the temp.

As Ray Danger 2020 pointed out with my datalog, (and i've got dozens more just like it) Its not impossible to get your BAT's near ambient with a good core. Its made a huge difference in my tuning. I'm running more boost and more timing than i ever have and the car is completely happy with it. With a better turbo, one would see even better results especially toward redline where the K04 blows really hot.

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by Mistersix I went with the treadstone after studying intercooler core design a bit. Superior cores have cross sectioned fins in the inside. This increases overall contact between the flowing air and the metal fins. the pics superskaterxes posted show this example. The cheap core just has pathways for the air to flow threw. The treadstone forces the air to constaly make contact with a new fin increasing its efficiency threw density without hampering flow. Its a LOT of work going custom fmic. I didn't see any point in cutting and hacking for an entire weekend just to have lousy results because i cheaped out on the most important ingredient in the recipe. And the results speak for them self. The tr-8 sheds the heat so fast my bats are consistently at IAT or lower no matter the temp. As Ray Danger 2020 pointed out with my datalog, (and i've got dozens more just like it) Its not impossible to get your BAT's near ambient with a good core. Its made a huge difference in my tuning. I'm running more boost and more timing than i ever have and the car is completely happy with it. With a better turbo, one would see even better results especially toward redline where the K04 blows really hot.

Thanks man! I'm definitely getting a treadstone. I wasn't planning on getting a BT. I'm sticking with the K04. Is the TR6 sufficient or should I get the TR8? You cut your crash bar? I got Cobb TIP, injen CAI, autotech internals and Cobb AP. I need to install my m2 downpipe i have here just haven't had the time.

[Mistersix]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 Thanks man! I'm definitely getting a treadstone. I wasn't planning on getting a BT. I'm sticking with the K04. Is the TR6 sufficient or should I get the TR8? You cut your crash bar? I got Cobb TIP, injen CAI, autotech internals and Cobb AP. I need to install my m2 downpipe i have here just haven't had the time.

The TR-6 is sufficient. I went TR-8 because i intend to go BT someday. I can feel a noticeable difference in spool time with this big core on the little K04. It definitely takes longer to spool up. In that instance (spool) the top mount would be superior with a the TR-6 probably being the better fit for the K04 as far as size vs. spool goes.
But either way, the FMIC w/ treadstone provides chilly cool BAT's for the engine to consume.

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by Mistersix The TR-6 is sufficient. I went TR-8 because i intend to go BT someday. I can feel a noticeable difference in spool time with this big core on the little K04. It definitely takes longer to spool up. In that instance (spool) the top mount would be superior with a the TR-6 probably being the better fit for the K04 as far as size vs. spool goes. But either way, the FMIC w/ treadstone provides chilly cool BAT's for the engine to consume.

You think I'll gain alot of lag with the TR6? I've driven 80s turbo cars and the lag was horrible. lol

[Ray Danger 2020]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 You think I'll gain alot of lag with the TR6? I've driven 80s turbo cars and the lag was horrible. lol

You shouldn't gain a lot. I've driven his car since FMIC. It's still pretty instantaneous. I didn't drive it before hand though so I don't have a good comparison. There will still be a slight hesitation compared to a TMIC, but that's to be expected from all the extra space it has to pressurize.

[forcedinduktion]

I was told you could run the TR8 on the MS3 without cutting anything

[Ray Danger 2020]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion I was told you could run the TR8 on the MS3 without cutting anything

You may be able to, idk. Mistersix has, in all obviousness, a speed6. I couldn't tell you about an MS3, genjuan or genpu. I'll be finding that out for myself at a later date.

[Chicagospeed6]

Well I have no plans on going to a BT so I don't need it. The TR6 would be good for me.

[93silvergt]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 Thanks...this is the type of info I was needing. I'm going to go for a treadstone. A little bit more than I wanted to spend. i've already spent a ton of modding my car. lol I'm actually 5 minutes from Plainfield as I type. I'm at my friends house in Naperville. I'm from Warrenville.

Nice! Im at south plainfield, basically joliet. Naperville is only about 20 minutes though i go there pretty often. Come to the Aurora meet sept 22nd!

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by 93silvergt Nice! Im at south plainfield, basically joliet. Naperville is only about 20 minutes though i go there pretty often. Come to the Aurora meet sept 22nd!

Cool! I saw that the other day. I'll probably stop by. Wouldn't mind checking out some other modded Speeds.

[forcedinduktion]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 Well I have no plans on going to a BT so I don't need it. The TR6 would be good for me.

So then you have no need for a larger IC. All it takes is a little E

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion So then you have no need for a larger IC. All it takes is a little E

You mean i should just keep my stock TMIC? I'm about to go to Cobb Stage 2 OTS then probably get an e-tune.

[forcedinduktion]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 You mean i should just keep my stock TMIC? I'm about to go to Cobb Stage 2 OTS then probably get an e-tune.

Lol.....You can do away with a bigger IC....First I would do sti, tip, dp, internals, tune. Not specifically in that order. I dynoed at 320whp on stock tmic. It will help in the summer heat tho to keep the BATs down. But that is not an issue for me.

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion Lol.....You can do away with a bigger IC....First I would do sti, tip, dp, internals, tune. Not specifically in that order. I dynoed at 320whp on stock tmic. It will help in the summer heat tho to keep the BATs down. But that is not an issue for me.

I got a Injen CAI, Cobb TIP, autotech internals, denso itv22s and Cobb Stage 1 OTS tune. What is a STI? You mean a SRI?

[forcedinduktion]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 I got a Injen CAI, Cobb TIP, autotech internals, denso itv22s and Cobb Stage 1 OTS tune. What is a STI? You mean a SRI?

My mistake, I meant SRI. Buy you already have an intake.....So you next mod should be a DP before an IC.

[Chicagospeed6]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion My mistake, I meant SRI. Buy you already have an intake.....So you next mod should be a DP before an IC.

I have an Ebay M2 DP ready to be installed. Also bought a vibrant performance v-band clamp too. Just need to find the time to install it.

[jracer]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion Lol.....You can do away with a bigger IC....First I would do sti, tip, dp, internals, tune. Not specifically in that order. I dynoed at 320whp on stock tmic. It will help in the summer heat tho to keep the BATs down. But that is not an issue for me.

320hp on a speed6 ??? With stock turbo and stock DP ? No meth ?
Was that number done on a dyno ? I find that number a bit high .

[Mistersix]

Originally Posted by Chicagospeed6 You think I'll gain alot of lag with the TR6? I've driven 80s turbo cars and the lag was horrible. lol

Not a lot but there will be some. There's considerable more piping to pressurize compared to the top mount regardless of what core you go with. I would bet if I dropped in a TR-6 in place of my TR-8 it would spool a little faster. The TR-6 would be a perfect fit for the K04 imho, while the TR-8 is a bit of overkill.

[forcedinduktion]

Originally Posted by jracer 320hp on a speed6 ??? With stock turbo and stock DP ? No meth ? Was that number done on a dyno ? I find that number a bit high .

Well I did say I dynoed at 320whp......I have dynos to prove it And no, I never said it was a MS6, nor did I mention a stock dp. And that was done on a 50/50 tune.