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Noooo donít use anything a wiseco uses. Itís totally different alloys. I spoke with mahle (company who makes those pistons for SP) and I believe they recommended .025 for clearance.
But in the thread here Let's Talk About Forged Piston Alloys there is confusion between if the SP63 4032s are made by Wiseco or by Mahle. Post #113 seems to show that the 4032s are made by Wiseco. I want to make sure I am using the right spec. I also sent an email to SpeedPerf6rmanc3 and hope they can shed some light on this issue.
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I can assure you it’s mahle. I spoke with SP out this and the person at mahle who helped design them.
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I can assure you itís mahle. I spoke with SP out this and the person at mahle who helped design them.
Got you. Thank you. And SP63 does not provide a spec sheet with each set?
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Got you. Thank you. And SP63 does not provide a spec sheet with each set?
Iím pretty sure they do.
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Iím pretty sure they do.
Well I'm going to order the pistons and rods today and we will find out when I get them!
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What PTW clearances did you run? I saw that a guy posted a Wiseco spec sheet in the thread that I mentioned and said that the his builder used those numbers. Did you use these too?
Maybe it wasn't the right way and I was to a bit too brave assuming that SP63 machined correctly the pistons for 88mm, but I didn't care about PTW clearances. I simply bored to 88mm, filled the rings so that I had a 0.4mm ring end gap (0.16") for #1 and #2 and - IIRC - 0.5mm for the oil rings (0.20") and threw the pistons in.

The PTW clearance check is a must when running 2816 alloy pistons. With 4032 the things are a bit more relaxed because it doesn't expand and contract that much. You can simply rebuild the engine within the factory specs.
Also, if I remember correctly Wiseco was recommending some non-realistic PTW (I think they were too much on the tight side). Anyway even when I used the 88mm pistons of 2816 alloy all was good using the factory specs (except that those pistons hit the oil squirters which was unfortunate, but it's a totally different issue and you will not have this issue with the 4032s).
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Well here you go, Supertech also supply 4032 pistons..Possibly rebranded Mahles? Can also get them through Edge

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Alright boys, got two questions for you:

1. Since I am overbored to 88mm now, will the stock head gasket still work? Or do I need to go with the Cosmetic Gasket which has a 89mm diameter?

2. The OEM exhaust and intake seals are $5-$6 A PIECE or for the each set? That will be pretty expensive if it's a piece
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Alright boys, got two questions for you:

1. Since I am overbored to 88mm now, will the stock head gasket still work? Or do I need to go with the Cosmetic Gasket which has a 89mm diameter?
OEM head gasket is just fine.

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2. The OEM exhaust and intake seals are $5-$6 A PIECE or for the each set? That will be pretty expensive if it's a piece
$6 a piece.
You should seriously consider an OEM gasket kit instead of purchasing all the gaskets individually. For about $350 you have pretty much all the gaskets you need, out of which only the rear main seal, head gasket, ex mani gasket and some gasket between the turbo and DP purchased individually exceed this amount by quite a bit.
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OEM head gasket is just fine.



$6 a piece.
You should seriously consider an OEM gasket kit instead of purchasing all the gaskets individually. For about $350 you have pretty much all the gaskets you need, out of which only the rear main seal, head gasket, ex mani gasket and some gasket between the turbo and DP purchased individually exceed this amount by quite a bit.
Yeah I'm trying to figure out what would be the better way to get everything. Buying parts individually from Tasca is cheaper than from Edge, but with the sale going on now I might just buy the Stage 1 kit.
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So what is the recommended piston? Mahle or Manley? I was looking into Manley for my build seeing as I'm going with their H-Beam rods. I'm not looking to make 700 HP, just dont want this thing to explode again. 300ish HP is just fine with me.
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So what is the recommended piston? Mahle or Manley? I was looking into Manley for my build seeing as I'm going with their H-Beam rods. I'm not looking to make 700 HP, just dont want this thing to explode again. 300ish HP is just fine with me.
I just went with the SP63 4032 pistons and Manley H-beams.
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Just as a side note, the custom 4032 pistons from SP63 are also Manley. So your combo is basically a Manley piston + Manley rod Those $350 Manley rods are perfect for up to like 650bhp.
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Just as a side note, the custom 4032 pistons from SP63 are also Manley. So your combo is basically a Manley piston + Manley rod Those $350 Manley rods are perfect for up to like 650bhp.
Those are actually mahle not Manley. Iíve spoken with one of the engineers at mahle about them.
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What (in any) are the pro/cons between the two?
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What (in any) are the pro/cons between the two?
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Hey all,

I measured up my head and main bolts. The manual states:

Head bolts: standard 5.86-5.90, 5.92 max (inches); I measured all ten 5.710 with a range of +.007/-.002

Main bolts: standard 4.33-4.35, 4.38 max (inches); I measured all ten 4.110 with a range of +.002/-.006

All of mine are too short. I double checked the manual and these are the only lengths they provide (and this is a manual that includes the MZR L3-VDT). I was measuring the correct area (bottom of bolt up to the shoulder of the head) and my dial calipers are definitely correct (calibrated every 1 year). Anyone have any different values for the standard length of these bolts or am I just missing something?

Otherwise, just waiting for all the seals and other stuff to come in to start reassembling the engine again!
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Well, became VIP and got all the info needed Seems like the head bolts are good. Main bolt sizes are not mentioned in the L3 with TC manual.

Anywho, need to reorder different rod bearings (.25mm oversize) and I'm good to rebuild this thing! I will update as I progress.
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