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Nice fifth port eh? I'm waiting for those new injectors we saw on Facebook
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Nice fifth port eh?
Negative. Full PI.
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Grabbed a 4th gear log after work today with the stock TMIC.
Strapped on the CP-e TMIC.
Grabbed another log on the same tune and quickly found a problem.
This thing flows too good. Spools up a lot quicker.
What once was a solid mid 19's PSI tune is now mid 22's.
Even with the 3psi over boosting, the BATs at the end of the pull were still 10ish degrees cooler. (Ambient temp was only 1 degree cooler according to the dash gauge)
Peak G/S went from 319 to 349

I've been pulling WGDC over several logs (10% so far) and I still need to pull more to get the boost back down so I can make an apples/apples comparison. Load tuning can be a bitch at times.

Once I have legit and comparable data, I will try to graph it up.
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Got some work done on the engine build last night and ran into a snag.

P2W checked: quite disappointed. The smallest cylinder is 3.2 and the largest is 4.0 clearance. Manley said 3.0, I told the machine shop 3.5. Decided to send it.

Filed rings to fit: 0.022 top ring. Shooting for 0.024 2nd ring. Didn't anticipate that ring being MUCH softer and the first one got to 0.032 gap. The rest are 0.024. Not a big deal. Decided to send it.

Installed main bearings: spec is 0.0007-0.0013. Measured oil clearance to be 0.003. And that's where I called it quits.

Crank journal spec is 2.0464-2.0472. All my journals are 2.0466-2.0467, so just shy of mid range.

Checked bearing wall thickness and it matches exactly what King advertises.

Removed bearings, reinstalled crank girdle and found the bore is out of round. 0.001 taller than it is wide. I'll be picking up an assembly manual on Tuesday from a local to confirm what the bore should measure.

I'm considering having the mating face of the crank girdle shaved down to remove that extra thou to make it work plus getting 0.001 undersized bearings. That will bring my oil clearance to 0.001 which is within spec. But I did read that high loads can cause a slight out-of-round and a tiny bit of extra clearance is necessary to lessen the chance of journal to bearing contact. Maybe keeping these standard bearings and running 0.002 oil clearance is fine.
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The Corksport turbo boost creep is still a thing.

I set WGDC to zero across the board and did a 4th gear pull. Boost rose to 14 or 15 by 3500 or so. By 6000, it was at 19psi and held there until I let off at 6700.

Right now...targeting 20...it's not that big a deal.
This coming winter when I would normally run lower boost, read load tune, it won't really matter either because I should be all forged by then.
But...I have a feeling this creep will rear its ugly head again.
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Received the new 0.001 undersize main bearings last week. Put them in tonight and rechecked clearance. Now ranging from 1.6-2.2 thou. Okay, time to send it.

Get a pair of rod bearings out and check clearances. FUCK! 3.2 thousandths. Here we go again. Time to order 0.001 undersize rod bearings.

Decided to order a new ring pack for cylinder 1 to get rid of the massive 0.032 gap on 2nd ring.
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Test fit 0.001 under rod bearings tonight. All good now.
The short block is going together the next chance I get.
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After a local had an unfortunate timing slip issue with his build, I figured a keyed crank is affordable enough for peace of mind insurance. Off to SP63 it goes...
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1988 RX-7 TII - Sold (Megasquirt, streetport, filter-on-turbo SRI, custom TBE, 20psi boost creep on OE turbo, OE TMIC on ice, 13.467 @ 105.44) apex seals said buh bye!
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What's the estimate on something like that??
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It's on their website.
For crank, both gears, and pulley is $309 plus a default $55 for return shipping.
FedEX ground shipping was $50 from Charlotte to NJ plus 13 for insurance ($63 total).

They told me to wrap the crank in bubble wrap, put it in a box, and put that box in another box.
I was like...um...no. I'll build a crate and put that in a box.
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CS Turbo/DP/RP/HPFP/BPV/R-DiffMount
White Widow F-DiffMount, Whiteline RSB
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Oh okay, maybe I'm ignorant but friction washers on a crank freak me out. I'd do the key cut every time I built one of these
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I contacted several reputable places that do MZR builds and they said they either only key their own builds or they don't feel keying is necessary. I'd rather spend the extra money and never have to worry about it.
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2008 GSX-R 1000 - Stolen (With several runs past 180, I'd probably be dead by now if it wasn't stolen. So, in a way, I'm thankful.)
1988 RX-7 TII - Sold (Megasquirt, streetport, filter-on-turbo SRI, custom TBE, 20psi boost creep on OE turbo, OE TMIC on ice, 13.467 @ 105.44) apex seals said buh bye!
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I thought long and hard (no pun intended) on doing this, in my case I'd really be lucky to make 300ish WHP which is more then enough for me, personally so I passed.

tearing into two of these engines and being rather oldschool for my age, I shake my head everytime I think about the dumbass friction washers that are used for timing/oiling system of these cars, keyways are a shit ton harder to break...
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Made quite a bit of progress turning my paper templates into metal things.
Trap-door oil pan baffle nearly complete.
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Because Craigineering. That's why.
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Made some progress today. Oil baffle is all welded up. I won't post pics because it's not pretty, but it'll do. The first 75% of the welds look pretty crumby because he thought the metal was dirty. Which seemed logical considering I didn't clean it that well. He was getting pissed and tried a different alloy filler rod. BAM! Welded great. Too bad he didn't try to do that earlier.

Painted the block 2 weeks ago. Engine Enamel Aluminum. Obviously doesn't look hardly any different than unpainted, but it's more of a consistent color.

As mentioned in Post 126, I got another ring pack to fix cyl 1 middle ring that got over-gapped. Measured them all again and they didn't seem to match what I measured 2 months ago.
At the time, I was shooting for 22 top ring but measured 24, 22.5, 22.5, 23.
For middle ring, I was shooting for 24, but measured, 25, 25.5, 26, 25.
So with that, I decided to bump my spec up to 24 top and 26 mid.

Tomorrow...clean the crank that SP63 keyed for me and give the block a once over for cleanliness before putting the short lock together. After which, it's a waiting game on when I can park the car to pull the engine. I have just shy of a 2 week window to get the swap done with only evenings after work and 1 full weekend.

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Nice, dude. Can't wait to see how it turns out. I'm getting ready to build mine (finally). I'm picking up the donor block next week. Also swapping a 50k Gen1 motor from a body with some frame rust into a clean body. This summer is gonna be fun.
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I like building engines, I don't like blowing up engines, believe it or not...
Looks awesome, I don't have the space anymore with a wife and her wifely shit... So if I ever go built it'll be through someone and I'll drop it in myself
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Tell ya one thing, I'd get a lot more done quicker if I didn't spend half the shop time shooting the shit with my buddy. Spent several hours in the shop today. Temperatures reached 101 frigging degrees.

I pulled the crank out of the crate and it looked like it was wiped down with cotton balls. So my first hour was just cleaning the crank up. I let it dry and wiped down the journals with a micro fiber...which left more threads that had to be picked off. FML!

Over to the block, the girdle was still installed from checking bearing clearances, so i popped that off. Got the block prepped with oil squirters and BSD oil plug.
Assembly lube went on the bearings and set the crank. Girdle back on with more assembly lube and torqued down. Spins free/no bind. (Hmm...I need to check endplay...just because.)

Out comes the box of pistons, box of rods, and box of rod bearings. These bearings were undamaged because I hadn't previously shipped them to Canada without adequate packaging. (Another story for another time.) I snap 1 wrist pin circlip into all the pistons. More assembly lube in the piston's wrist pin bores, the wrist pin itself, and the rod bushing. Align the rod bushing and slide wrist pin all the way in. Pop in the other circlip and done. Rinse and repeat 3 more times. Rings are next. The most fuss was getting the 3-part oil ring in, likely because I was doing it wrong. The wavy oil ring spacer should go on first. Then the bottom and top rails. I think there's a ridge at the back of the spacer that the rails back up against. Anywho...the middle ring profile didn't match the diagram on the package for the proper orientation. But the top ring diagram showed the chamfer bevel at the inner edge facing up. The middle ring had a similar bevel at the inside edge, so I faced it up as well. Top ring gave a little fight. It's a very hard metal and some burrs remained from the ring file that stopped it from sliding into the ring groove. Nothing a mini fine-tooth file can't handle. A few gentle strokes and it's all cleaned up. Rinse and repeat 3 more times.

Keep in mind, I have the pistons, wrist pins, and rods marked 1 thru 4 as I have them weight matched. And obviously the ring packs are marked 1-4 since they were filed to fit a specific cylinder.

Next move, plunge these bastards into the block. I smear oil in the cylinder and in the ring comoressor. Line up piston 1 and whack whack whack...she's in. (If you're paying attention, you know something doesn't seem right. I'll get to that in just a bit.) I grab piston 4 and set it up. Whack whack whack.......wait a sec. That piston stopped moving after the first whack. I'm thinking the compressor wasn't seated and I'm about to or already cracked a ring. Cheked it out...looks fine. Give it another whack. WTF! So I pull the compressor up off the piston. The rings aren't even close to the head, but I can see the piston isn't square in the cylinder. WTF is going on! I turn the block over and I can see the end of the rod angled to the side a bit, confirming that something is going fucked here. I wiggle it around a pull the piston out. No damage to piston or cylinder wall. Another WTF? I need to Sherlock Holmes this bitch before I try it again. I SEE THE PROBLEM! Apparently it's important to be aware of the oil squirters. Cylinder 4 squirter isn't pointing the same as the rest...not anymore at least. At this point, my buddy comes back from checking mail and sees me trying to install two pistons at the same time. I thought it would be quicker to install two, flip the engine over, and torque both rods at the same time. He didn't like that idea. So whatever. I manage to GENTLY reorient the squirterand we hop to #1 connecting rod. We get it tight using a stretch gauge. Tricky with the girdle there, but doable at cylinder 1. I then grab piston 4 again for round 2 and my buddy noticed something. He asks, "Did you clock your ring gaps for #1 ?" Let me pause here for a second. Remember earlier when I said you might have noticed that something didn't seem right? As if I missed a step? Ya. That was it. Inhale...deep breath...FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

I'm hot, tired, thirsty, and quite frankly I don't give a fuck anymore. I say SEND IT and start clocking the gaps on #4 . He says, "Whoa whoa. It's your engine, but it's not leaving my shop without pulling that piston and fixing your gaps." Again, I say send it. He reassured me that the piston was coming back out...right fucking now. So we took it back out. Then he told me to pack it up and go home, cool off, and we will pick it back up later. Good call.

So thats where today's story ends.

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I intended to clock them, but forgot.
With that, ive read there is evidence to support that the rings move around during operation, so the rule to align them a certain way may very well be poppycock.

Near the bottom:
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I intended to clock them, but forgot.
With that, Ive read there is evidence to support that the rings move around during operation, so the rule to align them a certain way may very well be poppycock.

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Reminds me of the videos on youtube Engine Masters made about ring end gaps and breaking pistons.

I loved the one where they boosted a cast piston engine that they modified to have a large ring end gap and made tons of power without blowing it up.
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Ha. I think I've seen all those episodes.

The one that stands out to me as bad results was testing mechanical radiator fans. Test showed the clutch fan having the least HP loss...but...that radiator didn't have hot water running through it and therefor the clutch in the fan wasn't tightening up.
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HAHAHA

I don't remember that part, I've seen the one about the fans.

It's true they aren't the most scientific, but they do tests that most are not willing to do.
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I prefer this guy’s scientific approach to practical solutions for DIY mechanics:

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OKAY! After work shop time, known as 2nd shift:

All 4 slugs are in and tight.

PCV plate on and torqued. I need to remove those plugs and stick elbows in there for OCC. I'm guessing I didn't order a new PCV because the one in my car is fairly new and I can’t find one in my new-parts bin. So I'll hit up Mazda and order one along with a new thermostat.

Was going to bolt up the new oil pump, gears, chain, guides, and strainer but thought I left the bolts at my house. After cleaning up for the night...I found the bolts. Oh well. More things to do next time.
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Depending on the power level even keying the crank on a ms6 is not enough to hold the timing. Happened with a friends 600whp+ 6062 ms6 so I did the fix he did to permanently ensure I could never slip timing at the crank end of things.
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I've considered pinning the EXH cam gear. I don't think it's possible to pin the INT cam gear/vvt.

I haven't really looked that close to see how the crank gear is assembled. Might need to pin that too if the gear is just bonded or pressed on.
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I've never worked on a cruise without keyed timing sets... I find it very odd
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I've considered pinning the EXH cam gear. I don't think it's possible to pin the INT cam gear/vvt.

I haven't really looked that close to see how the crank gear is assembled. Might need to pin that too if the gear is just bonded or pressed on.
I'll call myself out on this one. Just realized I lost my mind when I made that post. Was picturing the crank angle sensor gear but thinking about timing chain drive and got my thoughts all jacked up.

@impossible; - I don't see the crank end slipping timing with it being keyed. I'd still use friction washers if I didn't have to notch the washers for the key.
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Nice build in progress!

I did get my crank keyed as well for my speed3 build, same reasons....
I kept the washer for the cams just in case i would play with cam angle a little bit.

I did take the 0.028'' of Manley 30+ psi for mine and it was too much for a daily car...Like you, i overpass it 29-30 for one but i made the mistake to leave it this way...If i swap that engine on the 6, i will replace all the ring with a tighter gap.
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You can get away with a lot less than recommended if you're spraying meth. Which I don't plan to do.

I was going to set it up per the 30+psi spec, but after asking around from what others had done with their builds and compared it to how they drive, I felt I could go a bit tighter than recommended.

A short 1/4 mile sprint isn't so bad. By the time heat really starts soaking into everything, the race is over and it's cooling down.

The way I drive, it's more like 0.5-1 mile roll racing. And with no meth, it'll get pretty dang hot in there. Which gives me a slight concern that 0.024 is too tight. I'll find out eventually.
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Great progress!

I think I gapped my rings to .020 both top and middle, dont plan on going anymore then 24psi because I'm a whimp lol. If I remember right when assembling my motor I think I left the squirters out to be sure not to damage them installing the piston/rod assembly, I did have to bend them a little once in to insure clearance with the pistons but it was minimal.

So far with setting the rings to .020 its been good for me, at some point its gonna get a baffle in the valvecover and a oil breather cap to make sure it can breath. What are you going to run for bolts/studs for the head?
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Stock new head bolts.

I put ARP main studs in because I saw a few pictures that looked like there were enough "extra" threads to attach a windage tray...but I was wrong. I'd be using stock main bolts otherwise.

I'm running 22psi on stock block with 150k+ miles on the clock. Around 350g/s at 70 degrees and below (load limit). In the summer heat, ive seen as low as 325g/s (boost limit).
I occasionally do long pulls that can create a lot of heat. That usually leads to ring butting if the gaps are too tight. Factory spec is pretty tight. I'm thinking all these miles have opened the gaps enough to not be a huge problem.

The new build with 24/26 gaps will be seeing near 30 psi without meth, so I need it to be loose-ish. Crossing my fingers I can get it to 450whp.
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W/M isn't expensive, you should consider using it. If you use it as a safety factor, you won't need all the fail safe stuff around it but just a pump, a trigger and a jet...
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It's not the cost, but the annoyance. I would prefer a setup where I can just get in and drive without worrying about having enough in the tank...or enough at home to fill the tank when necessary.

I don't even want to be bothered with adding E85 at the pump. (Yes, there is E85 a few miles up the road from where I live/work and I don't want to use it. Sue me.)
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Some even T the washer fluid tank, you get a factory warning light for free

But ok i stop bothering you with it!
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Im on the same page @Fstrnyou; with W/M.

I get what your saying @Jeff23spl; but thats one more system to fail and/or check on all the time, plus I'm skeptical on winter use with W/M
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W2A should be a zero maintenance system.
The only major long term downside I've heard about W2A is if/when the intercooler springs a leak. Maybe that's the cheap eBay cores. IDK.
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