04 civic si -> genpu?
 

Going to look at genpu's today. I originally had an 07 autotragic mazda 3, which I traded for an 04 civic si. The civic si is fun, alot more fun than the mazda 3 but I do miss the mazda. Going to look at trading it in today, according to kbb I can get almost as much as I paid for my si as a trade in. If I don't trade in I will likely be turbo'd by next spring.

So

turbo 04 si vs gen pu?

They are both fail, no matter what.

If you turbo the civic, it's still a civic.

If you buy a pu....well, enough said.

Gl with your search.

yeah honda community is kinda gay so I never really got into any honda stuff

then again mazda community was kinda gay too (fuck you m3f)

AHHH WHAT TO DO

tried searching, but am ratarded I guess

do genpus splode like gendones?

They can all explode if you don't monitor, run a bad tune, don't upgrade the fuel pump, and just throw on bolt ons without tune.

In any case, the GenPu might look ugly to some but it's way of an upgrade from the mazda 3 and any honduhh.

x2, as long as you aren't an idiot, it shouldn't esplode on you

I don't see how you can even compare a 7 year old honda to a new ms3 man. I guess if the honda is your dream car then pursue your dream my friend.

yes this is you. retarded*

FYHN


/thread

Just get the MS3. BT MS3 >any turbo'd civic

neg it's ratarded. get on my dramatic effect level bro

MS3...nothing against the Honda but the MS3 is brand new and you have a warranty. The MS3 engine is pretty stout. As people have said, just make sure you are tuning right and you'll be fine.

I would have my Gen Pu already if I didnt have such bad luck with trying to buy one. Especially if you can get one now, you get the 0% APR for 60 if you qualify and no payments for 3 months.

No contest.

Buy the 'pu.

Profit.

the turbo civic would be for economic reasons. roughly 2gs and id be turboed with kpro and putting down over 250.

sounds like your already stuck on the turbo civic.

Well if it's savings you want, then turbo what you have. If it's speed you want vs what you have, you'll be at 280+ whp on the stock turbo in an ms3 with close to 2k in upgrades.

neg. was just explaining as to why the turbo civic is even an option

thanks for the input gentleman. going to check the genpu out at the dealer today.

Roughly 2gs and youd be around 350hp in the ms3. Civic's suck balls. Don't buy one unless you suck balls.

Yea, I vote for pu too. The gen1s only sploded because people were ratarded.

Break that down for me por favor, I must be missing something. Unless you're talking chp...

That or...no one knew how to tune this thing.

Easiest answer in the world.

If you keep your Si, you get to hang out on 8thgen.com. If you buy a Pu, you get to hang out on msf.org.

That's like asking if you should bang Roseanne Barr or Angelina Jolie. No contest.

Unless you like dudes...

I miss my ephatch but I would go with a supercharger on that car instead. I'm assuming you're getting a greddy kit? Not worth it IMO

I'm having a lot more fun in my genpu however. That generation of civic has way too many common issues. For example creaking steering rack, door lock actuators crapping out, blower motor resistors crapping out, o2 sensor crapping out, airbag light coming on, tranny is sensitive as shit in 2nd and 3rd (ms3 tranny doesn't even come close to the issues), clutch squeak from the CMC.

Those are just the problems I ran into with my super low mileage ephatch.

And thus drive a Civic...I see what you did there....

its a 7th gen. That community is almost non-existent now

lol'd

knock on wood havent had any of those issues except for the tranny. I thought I was a super shitty driver but I just changed the tranny fluid and I feel like a pro (im still shitty). It'd be the emusa kit with a tial wg and probably an hks bov, turbo would be redone too. All in all should cost just shy of 2g's.

Reason I even got the idea to get a new car was because my boy just got a new gti and he beat my ep3 by half a car length. I got the new car fever and I want to shit all over his vdubyo.

If you thought anyone here would recommend you keep this car
http://img1.netcarshow.com/Honda-Civ...umbnail_01.jpg

over ANY ms3, then I don't even know what your purpose was. If you go on 8th gen they'll tell you to keep your ricey civic and turbocharge it. So all in all it is your decision.

If you want something serious with a strong base to put mods on, go with the genpu. If you want to look like a high school kid on a budget fart can, stick with the civic. My opinion.

Really? I thought you had VTAAKKK.
Although I think that buying a new car for solely this reason is retarded, an MS3 would eat that GTI any day.

I turdblow'd my 06' rsx-s and it was a hell of a lot more than 2g's with kpro. If that's your wish, go ahead, but until you buy all the supporting mods, it'll end up costing more. In the end, I was worried about the K series transmission blowing up.

if it were me, and you had your finances in check and good credit, now would be the time to jump into a MS3. I love my genpu way more than I ever did my rsx, even after 15k in bullshit upgrades to it.

Alright, just to be friendly, carrying on about your proposed turbo build on the civic won't sway anyone's opinion here. Most of us know jack diddly about them, the only guy I know with one on this forum uses it as his daily beater. You've got your answer: on a mazdaspeed forum, we recommend you buy the mazdaspeed (surprise!). Don't come in here and ask, then tell us you'd rather keep the civic because of money. If that's the case, you could have saved us all a bit of time.

Now seriously, /thread.

@adlpb kind of beat me to it.

Didn't read many of the posts, but if you're going to turbo the K20A3, you're an idiot. At the very least you need to do an A2 swap, then go FI.

Don't waste your time with the A3... it's one of the weakest motors Honda ever made

Yea i mean a 04 civic si compared to a Genpu ms3 its really no contest. Even with the Genpu gay ass smile still 10x better car and doesn't have a gay shifter... + you'll actually feel torque!!! Get a Genpu get some basic bolt-ons and you'll be happy.

you're complaining about the retarded honda community and m3f.

get the pu, donate, and enjoy the upper echelon of faggotry that is msf.

Not sure how to break it down ay further so I wrote a Haiku following the usual 5-7-5 pattern:

Civic like suck balls
Horses have really big dicks
Oranges are fruit.

I think he meant how you can achieve 350whp with only 2k in mods. Unless you are talking chp. Meaning detailed breakdown of mods.

:439:fuck the haters get a PU!

FYH tho.

Ahhhh is that what he meant? I had no idea. No really. Like none at all. Ever. Not never.

I might be off a few k and the hp might be a bit high but you know fully bolted is prolly about 2k.

rmm = $150ish
ebay dp = $100ish
ap = $500ish
intake = $150ish
custom exhaust = $600-800ish
tip = who the fuck cares
custom fmic = $500ish
step colder plugs = $30ish
bpv = who the fuck cares
internals = $300ish

so thats um......$2330-2530

Yeah, that's what I was saying earlier too. Aight den, thanks for clarifying.

Those mods would not yield you anywhere near 350. A "bit" off is a bit of an exaggeration.

The Ep3 in the us is most fail civic created

You can turbo that motor all day and it will never have torque... that car simply doesnt have any cahones. The transmission is shit, the interior is crap... damnit this car infuriates me!!!
http://practicalmanager.files.wordpr...d-customer.jpg

I like the civic Si interior better than the genpu interior, but I agree with your other points

It doesn't have real vtak, on that shitty economy motor. Worst decision on engine choice for a sport compact. Dunno how a GTI only pulled half a length on an ephatch also.

Really? I hated the seats with the triangle vent for a headrest.

Yes... I like the seats better than I do my gen 1 seats... When I was looking at my gen 1, I test drove a genpu, and I hated the interior in comparison

I drove with those seats for 2 years.. not fun at all for a long road trip. That damn vent makes your head hurt :(

Test drive a pu, you should know after that. Torque is a life changer.

I owned an EP3 for 4 years

Why don't you get something right wheel drive

^^^^^
x100000

my brain was screaming this while reading this thread.
trust me after you realize what how little traction you have with 300hp fwd you will feel like an idiot not going awd/rwd. 0-60 sucks with anything other than d-radials/slicks.

so only the right wheels spin?

Really, well different strokes. I just found the fit and finish to be seriously lacking and the longevity to be short personally. some of the fabrics etc i like better, dont get me wrong, but not at that lifespan

Those seats F you in the A constantly. Worst long drive car ever.

from what i've seen, people who talk about going FI on their honda or toyota or whatever other shitbox never get around doing it because they want to "turbo on a budget". on top of that, 2K seems like a decent price for turbo and 250+ hp but you will also be looking at a higher risk of shit going wrong, so have that extra cash ready in case something does go wrong and needs fixing.

I dont understand why are you considering doing anything with your civic and comparing that to buying a new speed3. apples to oranges.

If what you're saying is true about getting about the same amt you paid for the civic, it's pretty much a no-brainer that you should trade it in for a new car, regardless of it being a genpu or whatever. Driving a car for X amt of yrs and then getting back what you originally paid for it is pure win in my book. If you plan to drop a turbo into the civic, financially speaking, it's not the best move.

I say trade it in and get a new car.

For the money there are very very few cars faster and more fun to drive then the MS3. Honestly in the value department the MS3 is insane. And as always I would buy used even if that means just a year or two old....but then again I hear the used market is insanely $$$ right now.

Id have to agree if you are able to get back what you paid or close to what you paid for it then do that.

MazdaSpeed > Civic any day

Lawl at the ep3. My bolted focus shit on them all day.

just went to see genpus and the salesman was kind of a dick. didnt wanna let me test drive and kinda standoffish. currently at the hyundai dealer looking at genesis coupes, much more friendly.

You judge an entire company because of one bad sales rep?

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/122009/126...d-facepalm.gif

So go to a different dealer. The 2.0T genesis can't even compete with the ms3, all the mags compare the ms3 to the v6 300hp genesis. Not to mention, i see a genesis around every corner, just like a gti and civic si.

couldn't agree more!

again, Apples to oranges.

am just cross shopping but just saying that compass mazda left a bad taste in my mouth. ill probably head out to colonial next week. the genesis was fun though, makes me realize the ep3 has shit for torque

How old are you?

Maybe he saw the shitbox you drove up in and figured you weren't serious about buying.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

What do you have now instead? I was referring to you as the one guy I knew with one btw.

Drive the ms3, and you will be like holy shit what have I been missing.

This thread title made me ELLLL OOOO ELLL

x2...i fell in love on the test drive

There isn't a car in it's class that can compete with the MS3, not even the WRX and your concidering keeping a SI and looking at the Hyundai Genesis. Not much of a car guy so check out a GTI and the new Bettle while your at it.:crazy:

There was a Honda Civic Si,
whose owner was made to cry
when one night (on a whim)
his boy pulled on him
in a Volkswagen Golf GTI.

He surfed over to MSF,
where his posts, of wit, were bereft.
The old-timers and new,
gave advice and much clue
which fell on ears that were deaf.

The Mazda salesguy was rude,
"He doth giveth me much attitude!"
Hurt to the bone,
he shuffled all alone,
Over to Hyundai, in the blackest of mood.

Lo and behold, a Genesis Coupe,
fully loaded, V6, woop woop!
The salesguy was nice,—
didn't even blink twice,
When asked if he could drive it for a loop.

Impressed by the abundance of torque,
in his Honduh he felt much like a dork.
He revisited MSF where,
his soul was laid bare,
and it is here where his path may yet fork.

Mazdaspeed 3 or Genesis from Hyundai?
Of one or the other, we may say
On the coupe we will pass,
it doth sucketh much ass,
now donate, brownie, and you'll no longer be gay.

Genesis is a nice car but have you dont research on the 6speed manuals? A decent amount of people are having lockout issues with the 5th gear.

Sir, you have been awarded today's internets.

We hereby award Elusivellama all the internets for today.

Keep the Si, make 600hp, and 100tq. And I liked the Genesis coupe's when they came out, but they're nothing special now that I've raced some lol. Go to a different dealer and buy an MS3, you'll thank us.

Ha ha that was awesome!

I would thank you if I wasn't on my phone! This is awesome!

Go find another Mazda dealer and test drive a ms3. I owned a FA5 2007 si. The seats held me pretty nice, and they were fairly comfortable. Next the clutch was lighter ofcourse, and was shifted more smoothly compared to my ms3. BUT....... as for as "OVERALL" interior quality? IMHO..my ms3 looks much better, less cheap. I have a GT btw.

I have driven the 2010+ ms3, and I didnt care for 2 things: the small gps screen and the color scheme inside. But other than that, Mazda a good job..I do prefer the 2 gauge cluster vs the 3 gauge in the gen 1.

But bang for your buck the ms3 is wayyy up there!...your getting 263hp/280tq off the bat...and slap on bolt ons+tune and your flirting with or at 300 whp/300+ wtq.

And enough with this blown engine shit...my goodness our old past just keeps on haunting us!....This platform is not like a srt4..you can just dump big turbos and bolt ons and go crazy..our fuel pump is a POS...we have a cam driven fuel pump and complicated ecu..were direct injection...ALOT of progress has been made and it seems every week we got a new 400 whp car joining the club,nevermind alot of BT guys running strong power on stock block for quite some time.

Duuuuuuude, All salesman are bastards, some are just better at lubing you up first. The entire Honda dealership here is fradulent, like in the news, I dont judge Hondas as bastard pieces of crap based off that, i do it based off the well recorded history of the car. FYI, I would never buy a Hyundai, one of the worst reliabilities in the industry. Dont blame me when 2-2.5 years from now its already giving up on life and losing body parts everywhere.

I'd say your YMMV. These years in particular had bad issues in the tranny, lockouts, grinds, notchiness. I have experience with an 09 and I cant confirm better shifting. Not that zx2man didnt have it, just that... imo, its a crap shoot.

Get the Hyundai and fuck off...

16.

I'd agree, but I actually had to go find someone to talk to inside.

genesis is rwd and they can put down power.there are several people on genesis forums putting down over 400. they've been out how much less time than the disi? All I do is research before buying something


thx tho bro.

useful post, thank you. Ill look into it more.

You guys are all faggot assholes, this community is 100x better than m3f. got banned for sayin nigga, dafuk???

16, and gonna be buying a gen 2 brand new? Are you a street pharmacist or something? Or is someone being nice and giving you a hand to buy it? And yes, we all may be faggot assholes, but we speak the truth whether it offends you or not, like we give a fuck.

I take back what I said about your shitbox.... next time go with your mom and dad and maybe they'll let you test drive one from the back seat.

Yes, I'm 16 and I brought a brand new 07 mazda 3 and I'm currently shopping for my 3rd car


derderderrrr.

I've been reading about grinding gears in the genesis, eek. Going to shoot an email to colonial mazda in ct.

where did you bring it from?

middletown, pretty sure it was manf'd in japan though.

If you get a Gen2 welcome to the forum but at 16 you shouldn't get anything abouve 160hp. Keep your Civic, work on brakes and suspension. Go to the track, do some auto-cross. Learn the limits of your car and what happend when you scew up....and you will, we all do but it will be somewhere safe.

You will have a blast and it wont cost a lot. When you are older get your self a faster car. Thrust me, you will learn while having fun. And if you hurt the car it wont be a $23,000 (us dollars) car.

You must be much taller than I am.. Those seats weren't designed for people my height lol. The MS3 fits me like a glove compared to the EP.

btw, your name sounds really familiar.. were/are you on ephatch.com?

You researched? Check consumerreports in your research? Check those little circles under reliability next to all the major systems of the Hyundai brands did ya?

http://unitedalone.com/aq/mmyes.jpg

like a thousand posts on a thousand forums, ask for advice, ignore what you get, dont be surprised when it doesnt go the way you thought. seen it. know the ending. channel changed.

this post is Ether

they arent doing that with their small pos turbo. their shit is smaller than ours. so those are def upgraded turbo Gencoupes

You're fucking 16 and you're already looking for your 3rd car? What the fuck!? When did you own your first car, when you were 12! You must have very handy-downy parents, because I sure as shit would never give my kids new cars at all, especially at 16. I'm 23, I've never had a penny paid for my 3 cars, one of them which was stolen. I also own my own house. I learned how to appreciate my own things when I pay for them. But I guess I'm ranting on you because you'll learn this someday. Now go enjoy your free new car.

I'm a bit older than 16 but thanks for legitimate advice.

You are not only young, but ignorant as well...

past tense of bring not equal past tense of buy I was playing along harrrrrdy har.

I am 23 btw, which I know is still considered young by the majority of you.

since you guys aren't really aware, I've been thanking and being sincere only with the select few that have given legit advice. Everyone else is lol.

this forum is fantastic, really though thxguys.

Nice avatar OP

thanks, you comin over to see mom tonight? :kiss:

A civic si owner attitude stands out like a sore thumb in these forums. We all know who our previous case was.

wtfe

nce

buy the fucking mazda.

funny, because the tone of this forum is very evocative of crsx... Except your car is fast.

:fing02:

pretty sure on the mazda at the moment due to the genesis' weak tranny. Cargo space is nice for boarding too. Gonna see what nyc dealers have cause my closest dealers dun have shittttttt.

yeah I was considering a wide range of cars based on cost vs power. The Genesis and Mustang Gt I eliminated for the fact that enough people are having issues with the manual trannys to sway me from buying one. The fact that the NHTSA has opened an investigation into the Mustang's MT-82 will hopefully force Ford to do something but its not worth the risk on a 30k+ car.