Am I in need of an HPFP yet?

[b0xer_]

As of now, the only mods I have on the car are a TurboSmart BPV, custom test pipe, resonator delete, muffler delete and a K&N drop-in that I received for free that I put in to see if there was any comparable difference. The airflow is nice in the exhaust -- you can definitely tell there's a lot more breathing going on. However, I am now thinking of adding on the cp-e CAI as well. Can I run the intake as well without needing a new fuel pump? Before you tell me to search and read, I've done a shitload of research regarding this exact setup and I'm still on the fence as to whether or not it's a safe one. I'm well aware that an AP could just as easily dictate this information to me, but I'm a little tight on money and I will be for a while... however, I do want answers from some of the more experienced motorists.

Also, in total, including the CAI, how much HP do you say I'd be looking at over stock with all mods accounted for? How about without CAI? Answers are greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

[Easter Bunny]

Ugh There are two possibilities. You didn't search or you have terrible reading Comprehension skills.

[Gr33ntumb]

you should of had internals even before test pipe.

and for that i slap you with a big dildo

[Sid3wayS]

U need em.

[b0xer_]

To the both of you, I've most DEFINITELY heard stories on both sides of the fence. Personally I disagree with needing a fuel pump with test pipe mods, but others such as yourself tell me that I need one. I have a 2013 MS3. I've experienced absolutely zero issues since my test pipe mod along with no CELs and it's been months. I have friends who are very experienced with the MS3 platform and they've told me multiple times that I'm fine as of now. I just wanted more insight as to whether adding a full CAI is crossing the line.

[Ayerspeed]

Last I understood you won't get a CEL if your fuel pressure drops to unsafe levels while WOT. Just eventually goes boom.

[SnailSpeed3]

Definitely need internals, there is a pretty clear cut "recommended mod path" for this car and it's that way for good reason. Having your exhaust sound a little louder isn't worth blowing your shit up.

Edit: I had an intake and tip and my fp was dropping like crazy, I had an AP to monitor so I was quickly informed there was an issue, but you're just playing with fire letting the car breath deeper without making damn sure there's enough fuel AND not monitoring to see if there is an issue.

[kicksonfiyah92]

Why would you ask a question and then when people give you answers disagree with them? Lol

[b0xer_]

Originally Posted by Ayerspeed Last I understood you won't get a CEL if your fuel pressure drops to unsafe levels while WOT. Just eventually goes boom.

I agree. I'm a very impatient driver and I've been WOT many, MANY times and have experienced absolutely no issues at all.

Originally Posted by SnailSpeed3 Definitely need internals, there is a pretty clear cut "recommended mod path" for this car and it's that way for good reason. Having your exhaust sound a little louder isn't worth blowing your shit up.

I also agree with this post. FWIW, the downpipe is still on the car. Some have said that the AFR might be too far off with my current set of mods + a CAI, others have said that the car will hold.

Lol I feel so controversial.

Originally Posted by kicksonfiyah92 Why would you ask a question and then when people give you answers disagree with them? Lol

Read above. I've heard many answers from many different angles as to where one should draw the line. Though the AP is one of the first recommended mods, it is not 100% manditory as your first modification.

[SnailSpeed3]

Originally Posted by b0xer_ I also agree with this post. FWIW, the downpipe is still on the car. Some have said that the AFR might be too far off with my current set of mods + a CAI, others have said that the car will hold. Lol I feel so controversial.

Okay to make it pretty clear, easy and simple for you...
You wants to go fast?
You wants to be able to go fast a whole lot?
You plan to make your car go faster as money permits?

If the answer to any of these questions is yes, than consider your fuel pump upgrade an investment in the longevity of your vehicle and your driving experience (plus I heard it adds like 12 hp if you put flame stickers on the housing).

Blowing your shit up will be a whole lot more costly to replace since I somehow doubt Mazda or your insurance would cover your sweet downpipe and "custom tp" set up.

EDIT: Also. most people who are serious about modding their car are conscientious of what they are doing and either have a whole lot of experience and confidence in what they're doing and know for a fact they should be safe, or they use common sense and get a tool that will tell them if they are actually doing themselves any favors just slapping random parts on and calling it a day(read: AP/dashhawk, etc.).

[ms3steeez]

Asks for advice, then disagrees?

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[SnailSpeed3]

Originally Posted by b0xer_ I agree. I'm a very impatient driver and I've been WOT many, MANY times and have experienced absolutely no issues at all.

I also went WOT all the time before my internals and felt no ill effects, however my AP logs painted a MUCH different picture. Thankfully I had them and all the good people of MSF to slap me in the face with knowledge so that I could get and install internals and be safe and happy and fast.

[himurax13]

OP, let me make this easy for you. The stock fuel pump holds pressure till it doesn't. Some people are lucky, some people are not. I saw some jackass dipping into the 1300's with a downpipe and the stock intake during a 3rd gear WOT log.


Not having upgraded fuel pump internals is like having unprotected sex. Most of the time you might get lucky, but sometimes you don't. $350 is cheaper than a replacement engine.

[ABOSWORTH]

Originally Posted by b0xer_ To the both of you, I've most DEFINITELY heard stories on both sides of the fence. Personally I disagree with needing a fuel pump with test pipe mods, but others such as yourself tell me that I need one. I have a 2013 MS3. I've experienced absolutely zero issues since my test pipe mod along with no CELs and it's been months. I have friends who are very experienced with the MS3 platform and they've told me multiple times that I'm fine as of now. I just wanted more insight as to whether adding a full CAI is crossing the line.

Well, if you've heard stories on both sides of the fence, doesn't that give you enough caution to think that you ought to get internals? The stock pump internals suck ass on this car and should be one of the first upgrades if you plan on adding power, period. You might be okay with your mods for a while but you might blow your shit up. I wouldn't fuck around with the mods you have and no internals nor AP to monitor.

I just can't understand why people just slap parts on their car without researching first. Makes no sense to me.

[Putin 2.3T]

OP doesn't have an AP either?

Wow. Either this is a terrible attempt at a troll, or OP is stupider then me.

Make sure to post a thread when you ZZB.

And if you're reading any information regarding NOT needing fuel pump internals; those are strictly genwin and MS6 related. Those guys got lucky. It does NOT apply to the GenPu (which is what you have) With just a CS intake on my car I was dipping into the 1,500s. That was more then enough for me to get internals.

[sprinter119]

Originally Posted by b0xer_ As of now, the only mods I have on the car are a TurboSmart BPV, custom test pipe, resonator delete, muffler delete and a K&N drop-in that I received for free that I put in to see if there was any comparable difference. The airflow is nice in the exhaust -- you can definitely tell there's a lot more breathing going on. However, I am now thinking of adding on the cp-e CAI as well. Can I run the intake as well without needing a new fuel pump? Before you tell me to search and read, I've done a shitload of research regarding this exact setup and I'm still on the fence as to whether or not it's a safe one. I'm well aware that an AP could just as easily dictate this information to me, but I'm a little tight on money and I will be for a while... however, I do want answers from some of the more experienced motorists. Also, in total, including the CAI, how much HP do you say I'd be looking at over stock with all mods accounted for? How about without CAI? Answers are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

b0xer, I rarely post on here but I do log on at least once a day and read up on stuff. These guys here know what they are talking about when it comes to Speeds. It would be very wise to listen to them. Besides why not just install the fuel pump internals and have that piece of mind.

[SnailSpeed3]

Putting aside all of the personal anecdotes that you have gotten which obviously give you way more confidence than they should, from the number of people that have told you to get internals or you're gonna blow your shit up within the last <60 minutes, you should be able to make a pretty clear decision. If not, well then no one will feel bad when you go boom.

[Danfriscia3]

For Christ's sake, just get them. You need them.

[crankshaft]

I have a 1986 Turbocharged Buick. We're talking a car that's 28 years old that I've owned for more than 15 years. When I got the car and started to do research in modification, you want to know what was the first thing on everyone's list?....fuel pump and other fuel delivery bits. This is a fundamental first step before you make changes that demand MORE FUEL especially in a turbocharged car.

Will your car blow up tomorrow? No. But continual lean and continual detonation will slowly chew away at bearings, rings, etc. It's not a question of IF, it's a question of WHEN.

[littleloogy]

@BOxer; Can you please inform me where you heard/read that you don't need them with your current mods? I would like to know if I need my internals or not. I only have a intake and racepipe.

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[broda]

Without an AP and tuning you're not going to get a huge difference in power anyway. This isn't something you can skimp out on.

[ArmanRus]

Maybe OP needs to get his head checked from being T-boned a few days ago?

Seriously, just get them. If you ZZB you won't have insurance to cover your ass.

[SnailSpeed3]

Originally Posted by littleloogy @BOxer; Can you please inform me where you heard/read that you don't need them with your current mods? I would like to know if I need my internals or not. I only have a intake and racepipe. Sent From a Galaxy, Far Far Away...

Can't tell if serious question is being asked here... How would OP know what you need for your setup if he doesn't even know what he needs for his?

Also, if it is a serious question, the answer is yes.

A quick search of the intro thread and you will know that upgraded internals should be one of the very FIRST mods you do... More air is great for power, but more air + not enough fuel = WILMAAAAAAAAAAA!.

If either you or OP care at all about your car and not having it blow up you will both just quietly make your way to the interwebs and buy internals and then when they come install them and then tell everyone how cool you are bceause you installed internals in your fuel pump and put flame stickers on the housing for extra HP GAINZZ!

[faeker]

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[danmillerok]

Originally Posted by b0xer_ To the both of you, I've most DEFINITELY heard stories on both sides of the fence. Personally I disagree with needing a fuel pump with test pipe mods, but others such as yourself tell me that I need one. I have a 2013 MS3. I've experienced absolutely zero issues since my test pipe mod along with no CELs and it's been months. I have friends who are very experienced with the MS3 platform and they've told me multiple times that I'm fine as of now. I just wanted more insight as to whether adding a full CAI is crossing the line.

How exactly do you know your fine? Since you apparently aren't monitoring or logging how the hell would you know if fuel pressure is dropping?

Just buy the fucking internals or hurry and blow your shit up so I can feast on your part out.

[t2heavy]

Hey guys quick question. I am about to go bang this chick with the Herp, I have no condoms. I should be fine right? whatever, i don't care. BALLS DEEP YOLO.

Play it safe and get a HPFP

[danmillerok]

Originally Posted by t2heavy BALLS DEEP YOLO.

Bumper sticker of the year.


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[Easter Bunny]

@broda; more info about the gif in your avatar.

[b0xer_]

I guess I should be getting one then. Since my car's been in the shop for nearly a month, I forgot that I had actually stuck a muffler back on there for my single exit exhaust. So as of now, all I have is a test pipe/resonator delete combo. I don't think the drop-in filter is doing much to hinder the AFR.

However, before slapping an intake into the car, I will be sure to pick up the HPFP. I obviously don't want to ZZB.

[Easter Bunny]

Ten bucks says he's just saying that to end the thread and won't buy internals anyway.

[broda]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny @broda; more info about the gif in your avatar.

Well, after further investigation I found out that it's from a really shitty porno. I randomly came across it on a gif page.

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by broda Well, after further investigation I found out that it's from a really shitty porno. I randomly came across it on a gif page.

I'm more interested in the shitty porno than the content of this thread so pleas elaborate.

[Cyclops]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny @broda; more info about the gif in your avatar.

That's Sasha Grey in "Nurses"

Love that bitch.

[broda]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny I'm more interested in the shitty porno than the content of this thread so pleas elaborate.

Nurses XXX. They even have censored trailers on YouTube for your viewing (dis?)pleasure.

Originally Posted by Cyclops That's Sasha Grey in "Nurses" Love that bitch.

Well, that didn't take too long.

[littleloogy]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny I'm more interested in the shitty porno than the content of this thread so pleas elaborate.

Finally this thread is worth something. I just may have to sign in on my desktop to check out this avatar.

Sent From a Galaxy, Far Far Away...

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by littleloogy Finally this thread is worth something. I just may have to sign in on my desktop to check out this avatar. Sent From a Galaxy, Far Far Away...

Having trouble finding it on porn tube.

[jack_hammer]

Originally Posted by b0xer_ To the both of you, I've most DEFINITELY heard stories on both sides of the fence. Personally I disagree with needing a fuel pump with test pipe mods, but others such as yourself tell me that I need one. I have a 2013 MS3. I've experienced absolutely zero issues since my test pipe mod along with no CELs and it's been months. I have friends who are very experienced with the MS3 platform and they've told me multiple times that I'm fine as of now. I just wanted more insight as to whether adding a full CAI is crossing the line.

Sounds like you've got that shit under control and there's nothing for us to offer.

Now go wot repeatedly and test your theory. Report back and let us know.

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[Frenchy11]

No you don't need internals. What you should get next is a wide path intake. You don't need internals until you get better spark plugs or start running high test blinker fluid.


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[Benis]

Originally Posted by Cyclops That's Sasha Grey in "Nurses" Love that bitch.

Just my opinion but I saw one of her vids and she had a super nasty hairy snatch. Turned me off to her completely.

[danmillerok]

Can we all stop to take a moment and thank @b0xer_ ; for creating this amazing thread which has allowed us to commune over new and exciting porn?


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