Anyone sell their speed and wish they had not?

[Jrs7686]

So I'm looking for opinion from people who not longer have their speed3 or speed 6. I have been thinking about maybe trading in my 2011 ms3 for something newer. Maybe a gti, focus st or rs, mustang gt350r, or terminator. Basically I was thinking about getting something different but not sure if I end up getting rid of the speed if I'll be as happy with something else.

[Djohns]

I can tell you right now without a doubt you would not be as happy with a st or a failwagon.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Djohns I can tell you right now without a doubt you would not be as happy with a st or a failwagon.

Why would he not be as happy with an ST? It's basically the same car, better interior, better engine, better fueling, more options for the market going forward, etc...

I was seriously looking into it, until my motor went.

Obviously a modded MS3 and a stock ST won't compare, but that's stating the obvious.

[Djohns]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Why would he not be as happy with an ST? It's basically the same car, better interior, better engine, better fueling, more options for the market going forward, etc... I was seriously looking into it, until my motor went. Obviously a modded MS3 and a stock ST won't compare, but that's stating the obvious.

Because it's basically the same car but a lot slower. I will agree the interiors are nice but when I drove my friends it was obvious to me I would not be happy going from my speed to that thing.

[g00s3y]

Originally Posted by Djohns Because it's basically the same car but a lot slower. I will agree the interiors are nice but when I drove my friends it was obvious to me I would not be happy going from my speed to that thing.

Is your friends car modded and tuned like yours is? If not, the comparison isn't valid.

[Djohns]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Is your friends car modded and tuned like yours is? If not, the comparison isn't valid.

It's modded and tuned yes. It's a full bolt on tuned car, just no meth like mine.

[Don]

Obviously you really want the ST .. just go get it

[hamfisted]

I'd happily trade my speed for a Mystichrome termi Cobra.

[Jrs7686]

I have been wanting a terminator for years, something that has been modified. 500 to 700 hp range. The thing is they are so heavy.

Originally Posted by Djohns It's modded and tuned yes. It's a full bolt on tuned car, just no meth like mine.

What about gti mk7, look like those take a tune and few mods very well?

[Djohns]

Originally Posted by Jrs7686 I have been wanting a terminator for years, something that has been modified. 500 to 700 hp range. The thing is they are so heavy. What about gti mk7, look like those take a tune and few mods very well?

See personally I've never liked failwagons. I've never owned one but 4 of my friends did and of those 4, 3 of them always had issues with them and they were super expensive to fix.

[sharksinspace]

Regarding MK7, from Freek's fb:
https://m.facebook.com/1640479596179...466223/?type=3

[downs]

I'm going to show my noobness and say I don't know what a failwagon is. But when I found the MS3 I was seriously looking at newer used Foci hatchbacks. Both standard models and STs. One of my buddies is a tech at a Ford Dealership and he said they constantly get newer Focus STs in for warranty issues. He would rather buy a previous gen Focus over the newer ones he says, for what it's worth anyway.

[sharksinspace]

failwagon=Volkswagen

[AwAfrican]

Originally Posted by g00s3y Why would he not be as happy with an ST? It's basically the same car, better interior, better engine, better fueling, more options for the market going forward, etc... I was seriously looking into it, until my motor went. Obviously a modded MS3 and a stock ST won't compare, but that's stating the obvious.

You shut your whore mouth! The focus ST is a POS! Yes we have some of the same parts...But everything about the Mazda except the IM is better! The interior on the focus feels cheap and shitty, they're a pain to work on, also it's a Ford so you can burn in. My buddy had a fully bolted ST and customs tuned, Everytime he got in my car he asked if we could trade, he had me off the line and I could take him once I hit 3rd. I did not enjoy being in that focus at all, interior if very tight, so if you're larger than those little hipsters than don't eat anything or you're tall good luck (I'm 6'5" 247lbs). Personally nothing appeals to me about that car, shit even the shifter felt cheap like I was going to break it. I can't speak to the RS as I have not been in one.

As for a golf R, they're gorgeous, I thoroughly enjoyed being in it however I don't know if it's enough that I'd give up my ms3 for one.

[MS3Shadow]

The ST is not that much fun and slow since it has an K03 turbo, it's only an 2.0L, so it's not the same engine. And horrible turning radius, as big as an SUV.

It's has more aftermarket options since its new and an ford.

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[nycMS3]

Honestly it all depends what you want to do with the car or your driving habit. I have owned my gen1 ms3 since new practically and love it to death, still runs great. But a good friend of mine has a mk6 GTI and I have driven that car on many occasions.

I can say that the fit and finish and just everyday driving, the GTI is way more comfortable and pleasant to be in. Nothing rattles, creeks, and the ride is very soft. But when it comes to the aftermarket aspect, that's a different story, you have to spend a lot of money to make those cars comparable with a ms3. Even though majority of VW owners dont really care about performance, just bags and wheels.

MS3 is way more raw and driver orientated in my honest opinion, VW GTI is built for the everyday person that just wants to have a fun commuter car.

[AwAfrican]

Originally Posted by MS3Shadow The ST is not that much fun and slow since it has an K03 turbo, it's only an 2.0L, so it's not the same engine. And horrible turning radius, as big as an SUV. It's has more aftermarket options since its new and an ford. Sent from my Pixel XL

Thanks forgot about their horrible turning radius

[Jrs7686]

Originally Posted by sharksinspace Regarding MK7, from Freek's fb: https://m.facebook.com/1640479596179...466223/?type=3

this exactly is what I'm referring to! Just an intake and custom tune.

Originally Posted by nycMS3 Honestly it all depends what you want to do with the car or your driving habit. I have owned my gen1 ms3 since new practically and love it to death, still runs great. But a good friend of mine has a mk6 GTI and I have driven that car on many occasions. I can say that the fit and finish and just everyday driving, the GTI is way more comfortable and pleasant to be in. Nothing rattles, creeks, and the ride is very soft. But when it comes to the aftermarket aspect, that's a different story, you have to spend a lot of money to make those cars comparable with a ms3. Even though majority of VW owners dont really care about performance, just bags and wheels. MS3 is way more raw and driver orientated in my honest opinion, VW GTI is built for the everyday person that just wants to have a fun commuter car.

I love the fact i can throw my speed into any corner and just stick it. What i hate is the lack of traction in 1st,2nd,and 3rd. and it can't get it to get off the line, but love how it pulls in 2nd 3rd and 4th.

Also i'm getting older now, and the genpu are getting picked up by high school kids now, and it has lost its cool fun factor too with me(like a modded civic).

One of the best things about the speed was it was a great value, in terms of fun and speed per dollar.

[nycMS3]

Originally Posted by Jrs7686 this exactly is what I'm referring to! Just an intake and custom tune. I love the fact i can throw my speed into any corner and just stick it. What i hate is the lack of traction in 1st,2nd,and 3rd. and it can't get it to get off the line, but love how it pulls in 2nd 3rd and 4th. Also i'm getting older now, and the genpu are getting picked up by high school kids now, and it has lost its cool fun factor too with me(like a modded civic). One of the best things about the speed was it was a great value, in terms of fun and speed per dollar.

Any "hot hatch" will be owned by juveniles with stupid intentions. That should not be your deciding factory in what car YOU drive on a daily basis. Have you been to a VW meet? As grown up as the GTI is, majority of the people that own them are idiots who think air ride and rotiform wheels is life.

If you have problems with traction, maybe look into better tires, motor mounts and suspension. The MS3 is a great great car, I have a gen1 and it pains me thinking that one day it will have to go. If you love the car, than keep it and enjoy, dont worry what kids do to it.

[Jrs7686]

Originally Posted by nycMS3 Any "hot hatch" will be owned by juveniles with stupid intentions. That should not be your deciding factory in what car YOU drive on a daily basis. Have you been to a VW meet? As grown up as the GTI is, majority of the people that own them are idiots who think air ride and rotiform wheels is life. If you have problems with traction, maybe look into better tires, motor mounts and suspension. The MS3 is a great great car, I have a gen1 and it pains me thinking that one day it will have to go. If you love the car, than keep it and enjoy, dont worry what kids do to it.

Power Mods: auto tech internals, Cobb sri, and tip, Cobb DP, ETS TMIC, Rich Tune on 93.

Suspension Mods: Koni yellows with cobb springs, jbr rsw, pilot super sports 245/45/r17 on RPF1s, whiteline bumb steer kit, Damond RMM,TMM,PMM.... soon to have whiteline castor correct.

Still don't hook up all that well(still wheel hop and spin, i'm investigating... maybe bad koni, or bushing are shot at 48K miles?). Got good lateral grip.

I know i can get sticker rubber and maybe wider, but for the summer driving i do in central ny, the PSS are pretty good

[AwAfrican]

Originally Posted by Jrs7686 Power Mods: auto tech internals, Cobb sri, and tip, Cobb DP, ETS TMIC, Rich Tune on 93. Suspension Mods: Koni yellows with cobb springs, jbr rsw, pilot super sports 245/45/r17 on RPF1s, whiteline bumb steer kit, Damond RMM,TMM,PMM.... soon to have whiteline castor correct. Still don't hook up all that well(still wheel hop and spin, i'm investigating... maybe bad koni, or bushing are shot at 48K miles?). Got good lateral grip. I know i can get sticker rubber and maybe wider, but for the summer driving i do in central ny, the PSS are pretty good

I love my PSS but I can spin 3rd decently if I don't warm them up first even if ambient temps are warm. Once they are warm I don't tend to spin 3rd

[Omega]

You're all looking at this spinning wheels thing wrong... just get a 6 lol

[downs]

Originally Posted by Omega You're all looking at this spinning wheels thing wrong... just get a 6 lol

Or you know. Use the throttle like a rheostat instead of an on-off switch.


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[Dread1292]

I just don't think I could part with my MS3 unless I truly had too.

[manu]

Originally Posted by Jrs7686 Power Mods: auto tech internals, Cobb sri, and tip, Cobb DP, ETS TMIC, Rich Tune on 93. Suspension Mods: Koni yellows with cobb springs, jbr rsw, pilot super sports 245/45/r17 on RPF1s, whiteline bumb steer kit, Damond RMM,TMM,PMM.... soon to have whiteline castor correct. Still don't hook up all that well(still wheel hop and spin, i'm investigating... maybe bad koni, or bushing are shot at 48K miles?). Got good lateral grip. I know i can get sticker rubber and maybe wider, but for the summer driving i do in central ny, the PSS are pretty good

Have you looked into getting an LSD?

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[Jrs7686]

Originally Posted by manu Have you looked into getting an LSD? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Such as? It was my understanding that upgrading LSD was pointless.

[Jrs7686]

Originally Posted by downs Or you know. Use the throttle like a rheostat instead of an on-off switch. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Maybe my throttle control isn't that great, but the fact I can spin the tires doing 50 MPH just seems pointless amount of HP and TQ for the car(which is't that much for today's standards). Maybe I can "learn " to drive it different, but I want to be able to put more power down. I believe that requires a different car( which I maybe very wrong).

I'm just wondering if I let my MS3 go, I'll be wishing I didn't. I see reviews on the GTi and see how it is able to really take corners very well, and put power down to the front tires. Same for the new Civic R, maybe @manu was correct in suggesting a different LSD.

[MSMS3]

Ford Focus frequency of repair data is horrible. It give new meaning to the FORD acronym, Fix Or Repair Daily. No thanks.

[Jrs7686]

Originally Posted by MSMS3 Ford Focus frequency of repair data is horrible. It give new meaning to the FORD acronym, Fix Or Repair Daily. No thanks.

Good to know

[manu]

Originally Posted by Jrs7686 Maybe my throttle control isn't that great, but the fact I can spin the tires doing 50 MPH just seems pointless amount of HP and TQ for the car(which is't that much for today's standards). Maybe I can "learn " to drive it different, but I want to be able to put more power down. I believe that requires a different car( which I maybe very wrong). I'm just wondering if I let my MS3 go, I'll be wishing I didn't. I see reviews on the GTi and see how it is able to really take corners very well, and put power down to the front tires. Same for the new Civic R, maybe @manu was correct in suggesting a different LSD.

Had my cousin in 2011 with his vw gti huge problems on the" taking off "but they may have changed that in late models and i remember he d have to spend like 800$ for a tune to get 50hp (bhp)i guess and that would be just stage 1 or 2 nothing that crazy and everything in general did cost more for him to do to his gti in comparison to ms3 ..then he lost it ,payments too high for him at the time ,now he savings to get a focus RS ,i guess its a better option vs the R been for him as an AWD car to i guess eliminate the traction issues .
Idk ..in my opinion both cars are great and they have all different characters and style i think thats the cool part

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And i wished they would have made more speed 6 or of course AWD speed3..yeah and the cost would be higher too..but thats ok i d only trade my ms3 for awd ms3

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[Fstrnyou]

I got rid of an RX7 back in the day. Regretted it for the next 8 years until I found my MS6.

[PapaBruno]

Originally Posted by Fstrnyou I got rid of an RX7 back in the day. Regretted it for the next 8 years until I found my MS6.

I too had an '87.5 Turbo II RX-7 back in high school (that was like 18 years ago - holy hell I'm getting old). I had to part with it because I couldn't afford the upkeep on a part-time income working mall jobs (Zumiez, Suncoast, etc). I did love it dearly and wish I still had it.

I feel like I'd be the same if I got rid of my MS3. It's the first car I've ever put some real money and mods into. I've had her for going on 4 or maybe 5 years this June. I still find myself looking back at her every time I park her. I'm hoping to finally go BT this year and then she'll be even more powerful and fun to drive. But I guess it all depends on what you like.

I just saw an RS in the wild for the first time last night on the freeway in Sacramento. They look cool and have some great features and power, but I too think the interior looks cheap and just like the lower model Focuses (Foci?) 😅

I also feel that there's still a pretty solid aftermarket community for the Speed3 and it's potential is still being tapped into, but at the end of the day it's really all up to you and your personal preference.

Whatever you decide to do I wish you the best, bro.

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[59ksmall]

I sold my 2008 speed3 at the end of 2015 and purchased a 2011 Tacoma 4 door 4x4 6 speed manual. I loved that car and put a lot of sweat and blood into it. I do miss it but I wanted/needed a 4x4.

Things I miss most would be: POWER, MPG's, and the look on Dodge R/T drivers' faces when you walk em by school bus lengths.

My brother sold his Speed 6 and bought a Fiesta RS. He loves it and I got to drive it several times. Great handling car and nice interior. Could use 50 more hp though. I believe he gets 30-32 mpg highway.

[nycMS3]

Originally Posted by Jrs7686 Power Mods: auto tech internals, Cobb sri, and tip, Cobb DP, ETS TMIC, Rich Tune on 93. Suspension Mods: Koni yellows with cobb springs, jbr rsw, pilot super sports 245/45/r17 on RPF1s, whiteline bumb steer kit, Damond RMM,TMM,PMM.... soon to have whiteline castor correct. Still don't hook up all that well(still wheel hop and spin, i'm investigating... maybe bad koni, or bushing are shot at 48K miles?). Got good lateral grip. I know i can get sticker rubber and maybe wider, but for the summer driving i do in central ny, the PSS are pretty good

You have to understand that you drive a front wheel drive car and it will spin tires if you dump the clutch in 1st and 2nd or even 3rd with your current mods. And that will happen with any fwd car with similar power.

I am not doubting your driving skills but modulate the throttle and be happy with what you have. If you want to spend 50-60k+ (I know they are marked up) on a 350r mustang than go ahead by all means but that's another league of car compared to a ms3.

[Omega]

Originally Posted by Jrs7686 Maybe my throttle control isn't that great, but the fact I can spin the tires doing 50 MPH just seems pointless amount of HP and TQ for the car(which is't that much for today's standards). Maybe I can "learn " to drive it different, but I want to be able to put more power down. I believe that requires a different car( which I maybe very wrong). I'm just wondering if I let my MS3 go, I'll be wishing I didn't. I see reviews on the GTi and see how it is able to really take corners very well, and put power down to the front tires. Same for the new Civic R, maybe @manu was correct in suggesting a different LSD.

I can spin tires on my 6 around corners if I flat foot the accelerator (with NT-05's twice as sticky as your PSS about), but whats your point. That can be done on just about any car regardless of platform with big power (hence the throttle control statement).

BTW He was totally correct about the throttle control statement, doesn't matter what car you're in until you get that down. A slow person will be slow in any car, a fast person will be fast in any car, the driver holds back the majority of the potential of the vehicle.

If you don't want to spin tires, don't go FWD since you don't seem willing to "learn to drive different"-- go ride a motorcycle and throttle control will have an all new meaning, you'll probably stop spinning tires in your car too

[galens47]

I can speak on this. My pu was my dream car. I loved the shit out of her. Then came the desire for more hp. In comes a '14 mustang gt. Fantastic and fun. Not as much fun to mod, but omg she sounded nice. Life and priorities moved on and I've gone to the dark side.

Of the 2 sports cars I've had and modded I miss my speed way more than the mustang. I've even attempted to stalk her online...

Who knows what the future holds. I'm leaning towards a unimog now... I moved to PNW and it makes more sense. I will always cherish my time with the speed and this community. I love the comeraderie(fuck spelling) on the Nators!

My three cents.

Cheers,

G

[manu]

I still remember the commercial ..The Wild Child!
What 10 yrs ago..

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[manu]

https://youtu.be/3cwvtJpu3EQ

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[mrshoulders]

I am in the same boat as you....had the car 4 years....almost all 4 years bolted e85 Freektuned. Have 83k miles now and really don't want to spend money on shit that will start to break and will need to be maintained. I've had zero problems with the car. lol at ppl saying you need to learn to drive a fwd car. Bolted e85 and zero fucking traction in 1-2 and spinning 3rd....useless power. I don't get why ppl go bt when 1-3 gears are useless. Love the car but want usable power. Looking into evo x....you can get a close to new car for high 20s.

[Djohns]

That is my one and only problem/complaint with this car. Fwd. but I'll never sell regardless.