Benchmarking the 2015 STI with a GenPu!

[lamp3]

I think I have to agree with your agreement with the brownie. And it is true there are compensations to be made when really pushing a fwd car. Especially one with high torque output and under tired from the factory.

[Pu Manchu]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 Throw the MS3 onto rain, gravel, snow, etc and watch it flail around like a dog on a newly waxed marble floor.

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 I can definitely say the MS3 does not compare.

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 I live in Florida where it's dry, flat, and straight 90% of the time.

you seem dumb.

[dsmluck]

I owned both a 2009 MS3 and a 2012 WRX. Both cars out of the box handle very similar with a slight edge to the MS3 in stock form. With front and rear sways however the WRX was outstanding and at the limit the back end would predictably let out. I could take corners much harder not because of the grip limits of either car but because the WRX was more composed and predictable.

The WRX was much cheaper to get power from stock. I made more power at a 1/3 of the cost as on the MS3. The WRX was hands down better bang for the buck. That said I never felt comfortable pushing the 2.5 in the WRX. In the MS3 it was the opposite. I felt it could handle anything I threw at it unless it was cruising on the highway.

Point is both are great cars and both have issues as well. I know the original post was about the new STI but the WRX is actually the MS3 closest Subaru competitor.

[Easter Bunny]

The last impreza that actually turned and drove correctly was the first get 2.5 rs

Everything after was just for bro poseurs.

[OakleySpeed3]

Originally Posted by Pu ManJew you seem dumb.

You seem uneducated and unable back up your claims.

Go on... Please inform me of a high horsepower/torque that does outstandingly well in the conditions I described.


I'll wait.

Originally Posted by dsmluck Point is both are great cars and both have issues as well. I know the original post was about the new STI but the WRX is actually the MS3 closest Subaru competitor.

Yes. Yes. And yes.

[Pu Manchu]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 You seem uneducated and unable back up your claims.

what claims would those be?

























derp.

[OakleySpeed3]

It's like arguing with a two year old.

[lamp3]

Oh god here we go......

[moonrider_99]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 I had both a 2012 WRX and 2012 STi. Yes, I've driven them. Taking the same exact off/on ramps and random hills/bends in the Central Florida Backroads, I can definitely say the MS3 does not compare. Powering during corners is nearly impossible in the MS3 without breaking the tires loose, and the entry speeds in the two are very different.

First of all, you do not drive a FWD like you would an AWD car. Secondly, if you had both a '12 WRX and STI and keep putting down the MS3 and claiming its the slowest of the three than why do you have one now? Also, living down in FL, you have no idea what winter driving is and what a good set of tires can do to ANY "2 wheel drive" car.

.......... ........ ........ Mazdaspeed3 ,Subaru WRX, Scion FR-S

UTQG TREADWEAR:....... 240 , 280 , 240

LAP TIME : .............. 1:27.6 , 1:28.3 , 1:29.3

MAX TRACK SPEED:....... 98.8 mph , 96.3 mph ,93.6 mph

0-60 MPH : ............ 6.2 sec , 5.0 sec , 6.6 sec

SKIDPAD: .............. 0.89g , 0.90g , 0.89g

SLALOM: .................... 69.2 mph , 68.9 mph ,67.8 mph

2013 Scion FR-S Performance Testing With Tire Swap - The Right Tires Make the FR–S Faster – RoadandTrack.com - Road & Track[/QUOTE]

[OakleySpeed3]

Wow, seriously? I had no idea that FWD wasn't me any to be driven the same way.
Considering I've had 8 FWD cars and 3 AWD ones, I guess I just thought they were all the same, right?

Just because I live in FL doesn't mean I've never driven in winter (I've driven AWD, FWD and, unfortunately RWD in snowy and icy conditions). There is such a thing as traveling. Floridians are not confined to the state.
Strong argument man, strong.
I have an MS3 because it had the best interior/comfort features and was the most fuel efficient. I also had no need for AWD because of the weather here. I grew up and realized that speed isn't everything, and I barely take my car above 4K RPM.

But don't worry, I've already been inquiring different dealerships. You'll be able to bid me a farewell/good riddance quite soon.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by moonrider_99 First of all, you do not drive a FWD like you would an AWD car. Secondly, if you had both a '12 WRX and STI and keep putting down the MS3 and claiming its the slowest of the three than why do you have one now? Also, living down in FL, you have no idea what winter driving is and what a good set of tires can do to ANY "2 wheel drive" car. .......... ........ ........ Mazdaspeed3 ,Subaru WRX, Scion FR-S UTQG TREADWEAR:....... 240 , 280 , 240 LAP TIME : .............. 1:27.6 , 1:28.3 , 1:29.3 MAX TRACK SPEED:....... 98.8 mph , 96.3 mph ,93.6 mph 0-60 MPH : ............ 6.2 sec , 5.0 sec , 6.6 sec SKIDPAD: .............. 0.89g , 0.90g , 0.89g SLALOM: .................... 69.2 mph , 68.9 mph ,67.8 mph 2013 Scion FR-S Performance Testing With Tire Swap - The Right Tires Make the FR–S Faster – RoadandTrack.com - Road & Track

I don't disagree with those results but they show a pro driver beating on the cars as hard as he can and those numbers are actually pretty close. Your average enthusiast like myself can not get 100% out of any of those cars and I maintain that most people can drive a well sorted AWD car harder than a FWD one. If you have a ton of track time I am sure that doesn't really matter anymore.

The WRX and the MS3 are both great cars and anyone that states that either one is "shit" is either trolling or full of it.

[F1puertorico]

Those numbers show how much lateral grip and top end speed the ms3 got. Like I'm saying look like subaru its been trying to tune better their suspension benchmarking the ms3...nothing wrong with that. Why not going against the eco X?? Easy... Going after race car bits its too expensive for a production car to make it faster( and surely will make it faster) so...why not look into one of the best tuned stock suspension in the market(and still cheap) ?

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[OakleySpeed3]

So you're saying that they didn't?
The EVO and STi have been battling since before their release in the US market. What makes you think that Mitsu doesnt continue to use the STi for R&D and Subaru use the Evolution?

Oh that's right, one "spotted" thread on the Internet where the MS3 and STi are "together."

Holy shit, that girl in the State Farm commercial is right.

The benchmarks for the STi and EVO have always been each other.

The MS3 is merely a "milestone" at best.

But since its out of production (no surprise) now, it won't even be that anymore.

[F1puertorico]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 So you're saying that they didn't? The EVO and STi have been battling since before their release in the US market. What makes you think that Mitsu doesnt continue to use the STi for R&D and Subaru use the Evolution? Oh that's right, one "spotted" thread on the Internet where the MS3 and STi are "together." Holy shit, that girl in the State Farm commercial is right. The benchmarks for the STi and EVO have always been each other. The MS3 is merely a "milestone" at best. But since its out of production (no surprise) now, it won't even be that anymore.

EVO X lately its turned into a techy machine compared to STis with DSG tranny and bunch of electronic trickery ...while Subaru its been keeping a more driver involved car. No wonder tuners and racers prefer a 9,8 or evo 7( think about mustang/camaro...same league different approaches) ms3 still relies more on mechanical setup rather than electronic nannies a lá Focus ST...hence the relevance of dampening setup.

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[moonrider_99]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 Wow, seriously? I had no idea that FWD wasn't me any to be driven the same way. Considering I've had 8 FWD cars and 3 AWD ones, I guess I just thought they were all the same, right? Just because I live in FL doesn't mean I've never driven in winter (I've driven AWD, FWD and, unfortunately RWD in snowy and icy conditions). There is such a thing as traveling. Floridians are not confined to the state. Strong argument man, strong. I have an MS3 because it had the best interior/comfort features and was the most fuel efficient. I also had no need for AWD because of the weather here. I grew up and realized that speed isn't everything, and I barely take my car above 4K RPM. But don't worry, I've already been inquiring different dealerships. You'll be able to bid me a farewell/good riddance quite soon.

- If you know that a FWD car needs to be driven differently then dont complain about mid corner understeer under throttle. Learn how to use the platform and it will reward you.
-I spent 15+ years In Canada where winter tires are mandatory so your occasional winter driving is meaningless , just like saying you skied once or twice a year on vacation doesnt make you a skilled skier.
-WRX and MS3 have pretty much the same MPGs. STI is a little less.
-Im glad you are selling your ms3, so shut up and go away. Okay thanks bye.

[moonrider_99]

Originally Posted by dsmluck I don't disagree with those results but they show a pro driver beating on the cars as hard as he can and those numbers are actually pretty close. Your average enthusiast like myself can not get 100% out of any of those cars and I maintain that most people can drive a well sorted AWD car harder than a FWD one. If you have a ton of track time I am sure that doesn't really matter anymore. The WRX and the MS3 are both great cars and anyone that states that either one is "shit" is either trolling or full of it.

totally in agreement. I posted these just to remind everyone that a FWD can be fast.

[Pu Manchu]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 I can definitely say the MS3 does not compare.

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 I barely take my car above 4K RPM.

lol

[msantana101]

This shit is hilarious. I wonder if it will get to the troll hall of shame.


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[OakleySpeed3]

Originally Posted by moonrider_99 - If you know that a FWD car needs to be driven differently then dont complain about mid corner understeer under throttle. Learn how to use the platform and it will reward you. -I spent 15+ years In Canada where winter tires are mandatory so your occasional winter driving is meaningless , just like saying you skied once or twice a year on vacation doesnt make you a skilled skier. -WRX and MS3 have pretty much the same MPGs. STI is a little less. -Im glad you are selling your ms3, so shut up and go away. Okay thanks bye.

Mistaken. Understeer is inherent to this kind of drivetrain. Therefore it's forsaken from the start. No amount of skill fixes the car's outstanding flaw.

How can you possibly say that FWD is okay to drive in harsh winter weather? There is ZERO control at the rear wheels, which means any sort of slipping is undesirable. Having a car that has to turn and propel the car is fine in slippery conditions? No. And that doesn't take years of experience to know, just a simple understanding of physics.

The WRX (despite its sticker and specs online) got me about 18-20 MPG avg, with 70-80% of the driving being on HWY. STi was about the same. MS3 gets me about 25-27 in the same conditions with the same driving style. That's at least 50-75 additional miles per tank (but it usually averages at about 90-100 additional miles).

I'm glad I'm selling it too, it's just such a bland car, and most of the owners around here are just immature pricks who make us all look bad. I guess that's what happens with a car in the low-mid $20K range. My fault for not considering other options.

This site is great most of the time and there are a few people on this site that have reason and knowledge, but most of you are just uninformed bandwagoners.

[Pu Manchu]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 There is ZERO control at the rear wheels

might want to double check your owners manual.

[Haltech]

Originally Posted by PureDrive Unless you like quality information around vehicles, thoughtful discussions, and mature interaction with other automotive enthusiasts.........

Well today's your lucky day because you can be a perm member of their community. Nothing like supporting a forum who allows vendors to run shit, constant censorship and rules that remind you of being in the second grade.

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 You seem uneducated and unable back up your claims. Go on... Please inform me of a high horsepower/torque that does outstandingly well in the conditions I described. I'll wait. Yes. Yes. And yes.

Yeah, your time is done here.

[bradkn]

Originally Posted by OakleySpeed3 Mistaken. Understeer is inherent to this kind of drivetrain. Therefore it's forsaken from the start. No amount of skill fixes the car's outstanding flaw. How can you possibly say that FWD is okay to drive in harsh winter weather? There is ZERO control at the rear wheels, which means any sort of slipping is undesirable. Having a car that has to turn and propel the car is fine in slippery conditions? No. And that doesn't take years of experience to know, just a simple understanding of physics. The WRX (despite its sticker and specs online) got me about 18-20 MPG avg, with 70-80% of the driving being on HWY. STi was about the same. MS3 gets me about 25-27 in the same conditions with the same driving style. That's at least 50-75 additional miles per tank (but it usually averages at about 90-100 additional miles). I'm glad I'm selling it too, it's just such a bland car, and most of the owners around here are just immature pricks who make us all look bad. I guess that's what happens with a car in the low-mid $20K range. My fault for not considering other options. This site is great most of the time and there are a few people on this site that have reason and knowledge, but most of you are just uninformed bandwagoners.

[ledfootrob]

Thanks for the laughs OakleySpeed3 your a douche

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[F1puertorico]

I live in Wisconsin and between RWD and FWD during winter months the FWD is king....sadly the cars that u see in the ditch are 4WD due to the owners feel of superiority... Yes 4WD cars go off the line quicker and are harder to get stuck on heavy snow.... But don't corner or stop faster in icy conditions than a FWD...

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[Limeybastard]

Milwaukee isn't that we're the Fonz came from ? Cool picture. Do they salt the roads their ?

[F1puertorico]

Originally Posted by Limeybastard Milwaukee isn't that we're the Fonz came from ? Cool picture. Do they salt the roads their ?

Yep....and yes... Here they salt the roads....I have to wash the car every other day... Cars look like pretzels if u don't cleaned often. LOL

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[msantana101]

I think the real question here is if Oakley is going to buy the 2015 sti.


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[mspeed313]

Originally Posted by msantana101 I think the real question here is if Oakley is going to buy the 2015 sti. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think he will get an STI and ends up regrets it because he didn't do his research on the many STI blown motor cases. Oakley will then comes back using another screen name and praises the MS3 for it's all around performance. Anyhow, before I finally purchased the MS3, I did compare the STI, Ford Focus ST, and the GTI. Focus, lack of rear space and hatch room, so out of the question. GTI, expensive and underpowered, and virtually no hatch space, so no bueno. STI, although it's pretty quick, and handles decent, the overall bang for the buck factor is nowhere near MS3's territory. MS3 is quick, plentiful space, and it's overall value just can not be beat.

[trekkie1031]

kept reading thread when i saw the troll was already banned. great success.

[shaneski]

Cant be fucked quoting but when he said in one post
have an MS3 because it had the best interior/comfort features and was the most fuel efficient

Then later on says he can't wait to get rid of it cause it's so bland

Contradicted his retarded ass from one post to the other