Bent Rod - No Moniez.
 

For anyone that has been following my BT thread (http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...ld-time-88549/) they know that i have recently bent a rod. Cylinder 3 was bent 3mm's.

The reason being (in short) was my D.O. progressive meth controller freaked the fuck out (bad ground or something) and started spraying meth at full spray when my car was idling, which caused my rod to bend.

Long story short i spent all my savings on my BT build and was just seeing if anyone wanted to donate to the cause, anything would be helpful and yes I already ran this by kevin before I made the thread.

paypal = Bobalicious5@yahoo.com

I will be doing as much work as i can with the help of NATOR NM, but will most likely need to take it to a machine shop to get everything buttoned up.

Troll if you want, blah blah blah, just trying to get the only punicorn back up and running.

I plan on reusing the stock pistons and using K1 connecting rods, Dustin and I will getting together this weekend and putting a list together on everything ill need for the rebuild.

Thanks

Rob

machine shop? wtf u can replace rods without pulling the motor lol

im just going off what dustin told me. Im a total noob when it comes to engine internals. I was told you have to pull motor to replace rods.

im guessing BSD, pull from the bottom? Dont you have to take the timing chain off?

damn, good luck, if i had extra cash i'd donate...

Cant pull the rods out with the engine in the car from the bottom..they wont clear the crank. crank cant be removed with the engine in the car..its been a while since i dropped my oil pan someone correct me if im wrong. I think easiest way would be to pull the engine. More space to work.

Why not just get some stock rods from someone on here that has upgraded and just swapping it? I totally understand wanting to upgrade while you can, but someone out there in NM has to have a rod they never plan on using again. (Dustin has 3...not a complete set)

this has been discussed.

Which is one of my options.

Umm, who takes pistons out from the bottom anyway?

no one in their right mind. just trying to help OP out.

There is a way to replace the rods without pulling the motor on the gen1 from what ive read. dont think it would be different from the gen2. there was a thread on this someone find it!

So, why do you need to remove the crank?

To do it in the car, remove timing cover, timing chain, remove head, remove oil pan, unbolt connecting rod, push up and out of the top.

Well our pistons have floating wrist pins. Ive heard its been done before but have never seen anyone actually go into detail about how it was done. It gets kind of tricky with the crank in the way but the advantage you have is the other cyl's are fine. This should give you better manipulation of shoe horning that rod out..

But i dunno man, ive never seen it done. Its a bummer you cant borrow against your 401K or anything like that.

Thats the logical way to do it but someone spoke of actually doing it from the bottom, which obviously poses some challenges here.

What were the symptoms of the bent rod? Drivability wise..

Same thing happenned with my meth kit, but luckily I was only at idle. The AEM controller is garbage, I thought the DO kit wasn't bad.

Whats the damage then?
Makes me paranoid about meth...

Vibrating clutch pedal
Sorry rob dropped my spare 25 on your plugs lol
GL man you seem like a good guy
-Jake

+1

I'm sorry man, that fucking blows. I'd help out but I don't even have spare monies to not be a brownie.

The damage is I have one bent rod.. haha

Very harsh vibration in my clutch pedal.

I also measured the cylinders and noticed 2 and 3 where off by 3mm, hence why i know one is bent for sure.

sorry, calrification: how much money total?

not sure yet, getting together with dustin this weekend to make a list of what ill need.

Let us know, I'll give what I can...

the pistons will NOT come out of the bottom of this engine even with crank removed, if you cant get pistons out how the fuck you gonna remove a rod from the wrist pin ......


you cant ..... the rings will expand as soon as they are dropped out the bottom of the bore and when you realize the piston is too fat to come out the bottom the rings have expanded and wont go back into the bore from the bottom they you sir have a fucking stuck piston in your block.

I know this for 100% because i tried to take a piston out the bottom of my empty blown block and it got stuck even with everything removed it does not fit.

Head gasket: $80
ARP Head stud set: $130

Doing it the right way: priceless

I'm not convince by any means spraying Meth at idle did it. I ran my car for over a week with the Meth spraying non stop; idle, wot, cruising etc til I noticed one of the lights on the controller that was lit up should only be at WOT lol. Sounds suspicious I don't see meth causing a bent rod like that

Liquid Methanol in the cylinder = hydrolock.

Talk to dj about that one.

Suspicious? Lol funny.

I have everyone in NATOR NM to back me up. It was def my meth. Had about 2/3 of a gallon spray in.


Tapafucku!

thats like saying..liquid gasoline in the cylinder = hydrolock...

Which totally would.
Liquid period in cylinder=hydro lock.

Lol, anything in the cylinder that won't compress can potentially cause a bent rod. Fuel doesn't just pool into the cylinder when it's injected (otherwise it wouldn't ignite and it probably would end up hydrolocking). Fuel is atomized into the charge of air, essentially creating a mist in the cylinder, which CAN be compressed.

Anyways, why don't you just sell your BT to fund your rod replacement? It's pretty lame to ask for donations so you can finish your BT build. If this works though, I'm a poor college student and need donations for my BT build, so donate away.

its not supporting my BT build. My BT build is done.

I was just asking, not like ill receive anything anyway.

I think i have decided to just replace with another stock rod which i can get local, just need to finish ripping her apart and replace.

im waiting though because dustin is fabbing shit up for speed3's and is using my car to take measurements.

I don't even have a BT.
I can hais your monies?

stock out= warranty

cant stock out. custom shit for 35r i wouldnt be able to get warranty work.

Battery box = cut
hard coolant line that runs across tranny = cut and bent to fit intake.

black all over engine bay from open wastegates.

plus dont have all my stock shit and pretty much every bolt is raped.

we already thought of this.

good luck with getting it back up and running.

You were going with a 35r on the stock internals? Next you're gonna say you were hitting 38 psi and can't figure out your bent rod.

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Who the fuck are you?

35r on stock internals yes, I know several people who have ran 30psi on stock internals without problems.

How many times do I have to say my bent rod was due to a meth malfunction and had nothing to do with how much boost I wasrunning. I was tuned by Dustin a 26psi and shit was running cherry.


Tapafucku!

Who the fuck are you?

Don't get all butthurt cuz you wasted all your money on boost and didn't think about the motor.

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Noob question real quick.... Interesting that I see this thread today. I've read a million bent rod/clutch vibrating threads. I just got my MS6 a few weeks ago.


today, I was fighting with my girlfreind while driving down the road... I accidentally pushed the clutch in maybe an inch or 2 while still on the gas mildly... not enough to disengage the clutch. I felt vibrations in the pedal. in nuetral or in gear while driving, there aren't any vibrations. but it still freaked me out.

in my MS3, I had FFS many times, and never felt anything like that.... but i never just pushed it in slightly, I was FFSing LOL... Its extremely obvious when your clutch pedal is vibrating due to a bent rod, right?

someone please boot this dumbass from the thread...

you have no fucking clue what you are talking about and I wish OP could bitch slap you cuz you deserve to be pimped for your anus.

Stop fucking trolling and get the fuck out of his thread if you aren't going to provide any constructive feedback/suggestion/or a donation

it cost so much just for bolts gaskets and bs, spend the little extra and go forged otherwise all the labor of rebuild and shit is a waste

gl either way

anyone?

That was my constructive feedback. Stop looking at the surface and read into the post. Dude should go forged. Or should i say should have. You don't go 35r to shoot for low numbers. Forged motor and go to town. People are way to pissy on msf lately. Its not as if I don't wish the OP luck just my opinion on his setup. Take it or leave it. But Ill save mods work and remove myself from thread.

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please do remove yourself from the thread.....

Dude like i said a million fucking times i didnt blow from to much boost.

it was HYDROLOCKED. do i need to write that bigger for your dumb ass?

nobody has blown from power or to much boost. Our rods are forged and i know several people running or have ran 28-30psi with no problems.

go forged? we're already forged numb nuts.

freundb.........The 2.3 liter disi engine that resides in the 2006-07 ms6 and 2007+ ms3's have forged crank,rods and pistons from the factory. Their are quite a few people running big turbo setups on the stock components with no issues. IMHO, if one were to run a 35r to max potential, I would install aftermarket stronger forged internals to side on the error of safety, that being said, no one has blown from too much power, so please do some research on this platform.

Enough fluid in the Cylinder will cause hydrolock, and it really doesnt matter what rod your running, when it cannot compress something is going to fail, a Pauter rod would have bent more than likely in this case as well.

That being said, I think the wisest move for the OP at this point, if hes going to run a 35r turbo for the long haul, should get some upgraded guts and get a experience engine builder to build a stout setup. Good luck.

To the OP, sorry about what happened man. I live local as well but JUST got my MS6 (fixing a few things before I drive it from the dealer I got it shipped in from).

Hopefully I can meet up with a few of you guys. If I had money to donate I would, but family with one income = fail.

Good luck, if I can be of assistance hit me up sometime.

Doesn't matter what rods you spend your money, hydro lock will bend them.

@freundb please dont provide false information if you are not sure what you are talking about.

Good luck OP, I'd say get your hands on a stock rod and put in it in the meantime until you are able to buy better ones.

OK..

First, I didnt give any false information. I simply stated my skeptisicm that it wasnt hydrolock it was something else, which was a statement I made blindly as I actually have no idea about his setup other than the 35r. That wasn't taken well which is fine, if he hydrolocked its good he bent a stock rod and not a different one he just spent money on. That would suck.

Second, why are you mentioning me? I said I was leaving so the OP can get back to his orginal post of his problem and looking for help. I dont give a shit if you want to flame the fuck out of me but do it by another means so the OP can get on with his thread.





Finally, to the OP, didn't mean to delrail your thread with my skeptisicm and the insuing flamage. For that happening I apologize. I was simply being skeptical of the reason you bent a rod and thats all (with a little hostility I admit). I know how having a car down sucks regardless of the reason and I do wish you good luck and hope you're up and running soon.