Originally Posted by Dano (Post 1289838)

this thread becomes more interesting by the day.

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik (Post 1289855)

Poor drenkel just wants more power without going bt or build motor.:ugh:

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 (Post 1289867)

For the money it is going to take to do a manifold, etc. a gtx3071 is a reliable upgrade.

Once installed (properly), that turbo should be every bit (if not more) reliable than the k04.

I know he said no BT but is it the install that he @drenkel is worried about?

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1289993)

The install does kinda worry me, but I'm sure I could figure it out. I was able to do the DP install by myself... sure it took like 8 hours lol... but I got it eventually. Seems like the turbo install isnt much more involved than the DP other than unbolting the manni and a few other pieces in the same area, and changing some hoses. There's how-to's on this site too, I'm sure I'd eventually work my way through it.

It's more of a warranty issue for me. My car only has 15K miles on it.

I'm in fairly good with the service manager at my local dealer, and he's cool with what I've done so far, even let him drive it a few times :) - but he's flat out told me "I'm fine with what you have on the car now, but If I see a BT on this car I will have no choice but to deny any warranty claim"

That's what's keeping me from jumping to BT now... I don't want to lose the warranty.

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1288257)

Sorry guys, I shouldn't have posted my numbers in the first place. I made that mistake a year ago after I got my first tune by Joe with nothing but an intake and TP and got flamed to hell with everyone screaming inflated, and I defended Joe with everyone screaming liar even though I had a dyno sheet to prove it. Still, it was Liar Liar they screamed. I quit the forums for about a month after that, and I should have learned my lesson about posting my numbers but apparently nothing has changed in a year.

There are other tuning solutions out there, but most people here use the AP because they can make modifications themselves and tweak stuff.. and I understand, alot of people like that. The AP is a great product and lots of people love it.

My car was tuned with a different solution, by a guy who is paid by Mazda to tune their race cars. Just because I have made more horsepower than those who use the AP does not mean my tune is superior. Maybe Joe just has more access to the ECU than the AP, or knows some tricks you guys don't. It's also entirely possible that the Dyno local to me reads higher than normal. Either way it's irrelevant.

But again, it don't matter and all this defending and bullshit calling is pretty childish. I did not post those numbers to get everyone in a flaming war, I was trying to post the information on my car and get some advice. I don't know a thing about tuning, that's why I take my car to Joe. I can't tell you what's different about my tune than yours, and Joe does not share any info about his tuning because he doesn't want to be copied.

What I can tell you is that he knows his shit, and if you ever take a visit out to his place you will see multiple Mazdas parked there that MAZDA has provided him with free of charge for R&D. He works on these cars all the time, and not just the speeds. He has regular 3's there, and even a Mazda 2 he's been tuning. He also races them, and tunes the SCCA cars. That should tell you something, don't ya think? Out of everyone available, this is the guy Mazda chose.

Let's just squash this now, you can either believe my numbers or not, it really does not matter to me. This thread has been completely derailed.

I was simply looking for a few extra mods I could do without going into the BT / built engine area and it turned into a tuning war... really was not my intention.

Thank you to the guys who provided advice, it is very much appreciated. I will research all you have said and use that knowledge to better my own car.

For the flamers, just let it go. If you want to create your own thread debating what's possible and what's not, and which tuning solution is better then go for it. Please don't turn my thread into another warzone. This is my last post in this thread. No I will not post my dyno sheet, no I will not post a log for your virtual dyno. I tried that a year ago and even though everything was legit people still called liar liar and said I modified it.

Originally Posted by h.h.sk1nny (Post 1288339)

OP you can also do PNP to your head. I just finished mine but haven't started the car yet. Supposed to increase hp/tq a fair amount

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik (Post 1288936)

I'm going to chime in here because I too know Joe, in fact I was at his shop today and we were talking about the very car which you are referring to. During the conversation he admitted that it was running a BNR turbo. So, not stock.

Super great guy, really knows his stuff.

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx (Post 1290329)

LOL... wow...

OP must be full of money and clueless...

just sayin.

how do you not know you have a BNR instead of stock?..

"oh, yeah i'll take that one...?":jester:

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1290044)

I am very lucky =P

The service manager is an avid pool player, and I own the nicest pool hall in town. He loves my place and comes in at least a couple times a week. I hook him up here and there knowing one day I'll need a hook up from him as well.

Originally Posted by Bucker (Post 1290345)

I think they are talking about another car with the BNR turbo, but still, it sounds like this is possible and OP has no idea. That or he has been fed a line by the guy who did the work. OP, if you are over 340whp withe the K04, more parts won't net you more power anymore.

Just as importantly, I can't believe I just liked one of your posts... WTF

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx (Post 1290312)

suggestion...?

did you do this by hand?.. or a professional machine shop?..

just askin..../

Originally Posted by h.h.sk1nny (Post 1290419)

By hand. About 10 hrs just on the head. Finished it with 120 rolls.

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx (Post 1290426)

so you shaved off some of that HUGE drop off lip and made it more rounded from the exit of the IM runner port into the head?...

something I may do when taking my motor apart and putting it back together.

I want a full head job eventually but thats after my build and a lil more money saving...

Originally Posted by h.h.sk1nny (Post 1290431)

Where do you say the huge drop off was? I don't remember there bein one. I port matched and polished. Are you talkin about the IM?

Do you mean on the intake side of the head by where the valve seats? No, I left those there. I figured they were there for a reason.

Originally Posted by SpeedSixxx (Post 1290446)

lol... ok I understand...

you PnP'd the ports going into the head...

yeah, inside the head there is this uber lip that can be machined BUT i'm sure it has to be PRECISE.

you'll see and have the details in or before a years time when I do my head.

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1291559)

No I was shown the proof, but I never got a copy.

As I said I want to go to a neutral dyno shop and do pulls with both tunes. I want to find out the truth. You guys have beat me down so far lol I'm having doubts, and that other guys testimony got me thinking of other things as well. I want to prove or disprove this unicorn.

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1291559)

No I was shown the proof, but I never got a copy.

Originally Posted by spnkr21 (Post 1291566)

Just go to a different dyno first.
But, you'll prolly be disappoint.
Then confront that douche and get a refund! (...yeah right)

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1291592)

(ATR lets you look at the tables right?)

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1291538)

@rfinkle2

Ok you guys have instilled enough doubt in me and now I'm starting to question myself on what's truth and what's not.

Rfinkle2, who over at edge do I need to talk to to get a good deal on an AP? Can u get them to PM me ?

If they don't mind hooking me up a bit on the price I'll go to a different dyno shop and do a couple pulls with current tune, then I'll do a couple pulls with the proper AP OTS tune (out of my own pocket) and post up the results from a dyno shop that is completely neutral.

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik (Post 1291623)

You won't be able to look at the map that Joe loaded on your car with ATR.

Also, don't you need to have the Piasini tune uninstalled before you can install a COBB map?

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 (Post 1291690)

Here is a deal... I'll make you a custom map for $0 if you decide to get an AP. That way, you can mod the car, make changes to your map, change fuels whenever you want, and I'll either walk you through table changes to make, or I'll make them for you. I'm always around (obviously) LOL.

We can street tune / e-tune the car, and then dial it in on the dyno when you go (if you'd like).

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik (Post 1291623)

You won't be able to look at the map that Joe loaded on your car with ATR.

Also, don't you need to have the Piasini tune uninstalled before you can install a COBB map?

Originally Posted by spnkr21 (Post 1291764)

See what happens when MSF rides you?
You get hooked up with a legitimate tune that you can trust.

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 (Post 1291729)

@David@COBB would know what would need to be done to either overwrite a Piasani tune or to restore a Piasani tuned ecu to the factory rom.

(he may not answer until Monday)

Originally Posted by phate (Post 1292373)

Rob, thanks for hooking up Drenkel. This will be an excellent comparison.

Drenkel, you're in very good hands.

Rob and Drenkel, make sure you guys use some type of load bearing dyno, and that you use the same load and correction factor for the pulls since they must be done on different days. Make sure you dyno at the same shop each time lol. That's about as good of a comparison as we could hope for.

Originally Posted by drenkel (Post 1292377)

@David@COBB

Once I get my AP - If it don't work for some reason can I just stop by the Austin shop? It's only like an hour away from me. I'd be more than happy to drive up if they can assist me there rather than mailing in my ECU.