Besides BT and Built Motor - Is there any other power mods left?

[h.h.sk1nny]

OP you can also do PNP to your head. I just finished mine but haven't started the car yet. Supposed to increase hp/tq a fair amount

[Bucker]

Originally Posted by HPFPUPGRADE I am not a liberty to explain this to you. If you want to see how flame propagation effects power, go cut a window into a cyl head, get the equipment to monitor how it effects power production, and then share it with everyone. This is what Joe did, he spent thousands of dollars doing this. I refuse to take someones hard work and make it worthless, or just give it away. If you view this as childish I am sorry, its a business decision that we have to make sometimes in order to stay a head of the competition.

So don't talk about it period. This is exactly the issue, John. You talk about this guys work like it is your own and toss enough out there to get interest, etc. but really don't bring much to the community (as a whole or individual). As a business, you provide lots. "We"? Are you Joe? Ok, exactly. Drive on.

OP, I am sincerely sorry for being a part of derailing your thread. As I posted earlier, more flow modifications or hit up your Mazda expert and see what he things you should do. If anyone would know, he would.

[HPFPUPGRADE]

Originally Posted by Bucker So don't talk about it period. This is exactly the issue, John. You talk about this guys work like it is your own and toss enough out there to get interest, etc. but really don't bring much to the community (as a whole or individual). As a business, you provide lots. "We"? Are you Joe? Ok, exactly. Drive on. OP, I am sincerely sorry for being a part of derailing your thread. As I posted earlier, more flow modifications or hit up your Mazda expert and see what he things you should do. If anyone would know, he would.

This is a community not a "Bucker Rules" forum. I will share what I feel is fair to share, after that you are just going to have to live with it.

I never implied, or acted in anyway like this was my work, I clearly gave Joe over at DP Tuning the credit for this tune. Then I took the time to explain to you how to replicate how he got his results (flame propagation). If you are to poor or un-educated to figure it out how to do this, then you are going to have to live with the fact that people can tune better than you or have access to tooling, parts, supplies that make them better tuners.

Bucker, I don't know what to tell you but what I brought to the discussion was much more than you. You simply stated that it was impossible, then I shared with people how its possible and what it takes to make power like that.

OP, I apologize for the derailing of your thread. I was very upset that Bucker was "Groaning" your posts from the start and decided that I should intervene and defend a good friend and top notch tuner in our platform.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by SquishyMuffins subbed. Hope we don't blow up bucker's thanks-o-meter.

lol @ meter

[Monotonous ONE]

Yea...fuck bucker

[Dano]

interesting.

I would love to see the plot but find it EXTREMELY hard to believe any K04 on 93 could produce that power.

and the OP sounds like a troll....hell if I had only a bolted MS3 on 93 and was putting down 342 WHP I wouldn't even ask the question.

sounds like a failed attempted brag to me.

if he is making 342 congrats!

[Dano]

LOL @ the groan.

to roll up in here and claim 342WHP on a bolted K04 without meth and corn and no dyno plot, what did you expect?

prove us wrong. show some dyno plots...hell if its true you should be shouting from the roof tops and handing out dyno plots to everyone on the street.

[HPFPUPGRADE]

Originally Posted by Dano LOL @ the groan. to roll up in here and claim 342WHP on a bolted K04 without meth and corn and no dyno plot, what did you expect? prove us wrong. show some dyno plots...hell if its true you should be shouting from the roof tops and handing out dyno plots to everyone on the street.

Dano, Joe is not like that and his customers are quiet and conservative. Give him a call and talk with him (Joe), the guy really knows his shit and has done more with tuning the MZR engine than anyone I know.

[Dano]

I was referring to OP shouting from the rooftops not the tuner.

you have always provided proof of your accomplishments and I don't see why you would expect any less of OP and/or Joe. The way the original post was stated seemed to have been submitted under false pretenses. i.e. "I make 342 on magic, what do you guys think I could do to make more?"

If he's uncovered some unicorn dust he doesn't have to tell anyone where it can be had but a dyno plot and log would go along way to getting recognition and acclaim and to make the OP appear legit.

jussayin...this is MSF after all...maybe OP should go over to 247 and ask the same ?

[spnkr21]

This thread too ptp John?
The fuck?

[HPFPUPGRADE]

Originally Posted by Dano I was referring to OP shouting from the rooftops not the tuner. you have always provided proof of your accomplishments and I don't see why you would expect any less of OP and/or Joe. The way the original post was stated seemed to have been submitted under false pretenses. i.e. "I make 342 on magic, what do you guys think I could do to make more?" If he's uncovered some unicorn dust he doesn't have to tell anyone where it can be had but a dyno plot and log would go along way to getting recognition and acclaim and to make the OP appear legit. jussayin...this is MSF after all...maybe OP should go over to 247 and ask the same ?

I am with ya, I just know the tuner personally and he has made some crazy power on the stock turbo.

Let me put it this way... on a 27mm restrictor he can make close to 400 WTQ and 300 ish WHP. He has to short shift the car because the restrictor starts to pull power up top.

Now go look at how small a 27mm restrictor is, then you will get an appreciation of what he can do with tuning.

[kritz]

Just hit the 1/4 mile and post some slips, you should be trapping about 115mph for 340 HP.

[Pseud0logik]

Originally Posted by HPFPUPGRADE I am with ya, I just know the tuner personally and he has made some crazy power on the stock turbo. Let me put it this way... on a 27mm restrictor he can make close to 400 WTQ and 300 ish WHP. He has to short shift the car because the restrictor starts to pull power up top. Now go look at how small a 27mm restrictor is, then you will get an appreciation of what he can do with tuning.

I'm going to chime in here because I too know Joe, in fact I was at his shop today and we were talking about the very car which you are referring to. During the conversation he admitted that it was running a BNR turbo. So, not stock.

Super great guy, really knows his stuff.

[HPFPUPGRADE]

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik I'm going to chime in here because I too know Joe, in fact I was at his shop today and we were talking about the very car which you are referring to. During the conversation he admitted that it was running a BNR turbo. So, not stock. Super great guy, really knows his stuff.

Thank you for clearing that up for us! Joe is a stand up guy!

[drenkel]

Originally Posted by Dano LOL @ the groan. to roll up in here and claim 342WHP on a bolted K04 without meth and corn and no dyno plot, what did you expect? prove us wrong. show some dyno plots...hell if its true you should be shouting from the roof tops and handing out dyno plots to everyone on the street.

Obviously you have not read any of my posts, and just scanned this thread. The purpose of this thread was not to shout from the roof tops and hand out dyno plots of what I have achieved, my question was a simple one: What else can I do without going BT and Built Engine to gain more power? I have been humble, and ignored the flaming and nay sayers this entire thread because they have no useful information to add. I do not desire an argument.

As for the groan, you got that for stating I started this thread to brag. If you have read any of my posts you would clearly see that isnt the case. I simply stated what I had done to my car so far, and what my local dyno results showed, and I asked for advice.

I have nothing to prove to you, and really don't care if you believe the numbers or not. You can choose to believe I'm a liar, or that the dyno was off, or I have unicorn dust as you call it, or whatever other thoughts you can come up with.

What I do find funny however, is I have read many of your posts where you have provided very useful information. I respected you as a member, and admired your knowledge of this platform. It appears that you've either jumped on the trolling bandwagon, or I had you pegged wrong from the beginning.

[spnkr21]

Wait who has the bnr?

[Dano]

Originally Posted by Pseud0logik I'm going to chime in here because I too know Joe, in fact I was at his shop today and we were talking about the very car which you are referring to. During the conversation he admitted that it was running a BNR turbo. So, not stock. Super great guy, really knows his stuff.

Ohrely. That's a whole different story. Which BNR. If an S3 same as gt28 and I make 370 on 93 with DO7 100% meth. Sooooo he can improve w meth and/or corn


Op misrepresented if what you say is true.




Tappin

[Pseud0logik]

To clarify, I'm talking about Joe's car that @HPFPUPGRADE was referring to as needing to run a restrictor plate. NOT the OP's car. Carry on...


EDIT: Didn't ask what stage BNR, sorry.

[Vinnie]

this thread has been derailed enough... I don't know why you just don't back up the claim? We know you weren't intending to brag,so what harm is done by proving the numbers?

in any event i think you've got enough info on the remaining power mods.

[spnkr21]

Ok cuz that would've cleared a lot up lol

[HPFPUPGRADE]

Joe running an up graded turbo, damn him! When you see him next, let him know that I should have his "parts" ready end of next week.

[Dano]

I give up trying to find the truth

OP congrats on the power. Nothing you can do to make more without meth or e85.


Tappin

[Pseud0logik]

Originally Posted by HPFPUPGRADE Joe running an up graded turbo, damn him! When you see him next, let him know that I should have his "parts" ready end of next week.

Great, I hope I didn't get the guy in trouble! For what it's worth, you have no reason to believe something some random stranger said on the internet over the word of Joe.

[drenkel]

I've been researching the port polishing for intake / exhaust mannis and meth kits that you guys have been suggesting... its almost as expensive as getting a turbo kit from Edge Auto Sports. And at 22 PSI I don't think my turbo would get much benefit anyway as as you guys have said, that is the restricting point in my car at this point. Sure it would allow me to increase timing a bit, but the gains wouldnt be anywhere close to those as a bigger turbo. Just doesnt make sense when you look at it from a monetary perspective.

I think I'm just going to stick where I'm at until the car is paid off in another year and a half then jump on the big turbo bandwagon. It's not that I'm scared of going BT, I just don't have the funds to replace an engine at this point if it blows. Once the car is paid off, I can go BT, and if it blows then it blows. I won't have a car payment and should be able to make any necessary repairs.

Most likely, in another year and a half there will be better options for this car anyway. Look at how far we have come in the last year and a half. It's quite amazing when you think about it.

Thanks again to all the people who offered advice and assistance, I truly appreciate your input. It just looks like I'm at a stopping point for now until I've got her paid off. Then I'll join the rest of you trying to make the big numbers

[86AmishMs3]

Originally Posted by drenkel I've been researching the port polishing for intake / exhaust mannis and meth kits that you guys have been suggesting... its almost as expensive as getting a turbo kit from Edge Auto Sports. And at 22 PSI I don't think my turbo would get much benefit anyway as as you guys have said, that is the restricting point in my car at this point. Sure it would allow me to increase timing a bit, but the gains wouldnt be anywhere close to those as a bigger turbo. Just doesnt make sense when you look at it from a monetary perspective. I think I'm just going to stick where I'm at until the car is paid off in another year and a half then jump on the big turbo bandwagon. It's not that I'm scared of going BT, I just don't have the funds to replace an engine at this point if it blows. Once the car is paid off, I can go BT, and if it blows then it blows. I won't have a car payment and should be able to make any necessary repairs. Most likely, in another year and a half there will be better options for this car anyway. Look at how far we have come in the last year and a half. It's quite amazing when you think about it. Thanks again to all the people who offered advice and assistance, I truly appreciate your input. It just looks like I'm at a stopping point for now until I've got her paid off. Then I'll join the rest of you trying to make the big numbers

The engine is probably more likely to blow with the k04 with the copious amount of torqe it makes. BT is safe and the most bang for the buck. Just because you buy BT doesn't mean you need to make 450+whp and 450+wtq. Tune conservatively and shoot for say 400 and 350wtq. Torque is where the real strain is on the engine...not power.

[dastpe]

Originally Posted by Vinnie this thread has been derailed enough... I don't know why you just don't back up the claim? We know you weren't intending to brag,so what harm is done by proving the numbers? in any event i think you've got enough info on the remaining power mods.

agreed. i would love to see the dyno sheets. why not squash the numbers argument? its only going to push the platform and get your tuner more business...

[SleeperHatch]

Originally Posted by dastpe agreed. i would love to see the dyno sheets. why not squash the numbers argument? its only going to push the platform and get your tuner more business...

There's a reason no dyno sheet has ever been posted..

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[SofaKingAwesome]

Originally Posted by HPFPUPGRADE Dano, Joe is not like that and his customers are quiet and conservative. Give him a call and talk with him (Joe), the guy really knows his shit and has done more with tuning the MZR engine than anyone I know.

except of course, PT errr HPFPUpgrade lol

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by Dano I give up trying to find the truth OP congrats on the power. Nothing you can do to make more without meth or e85. Tappin

Just being a turkey but add nos to that list. LOL.

[Ziggo]

I am so confused.


Zigatapatalka

[rfinkle2]

I've noticed HPFPupgrade mention VVT @ least once when commenting on dyno plots, and that is one thing that e-tuners don't have the ability to tune without a load bearing dyno. Maybe Joe is able to use VVT to create some more hp (who knows to what extent).

Another confusion... Are we talking about a restrictor pill or some kind of plate? Assuming the guy is running a restrictor pill, it sounds a lot like what Phate and Glorified Bozo did with the wastegate actuator on Glorified's car and I don't think even running straight alcohol he is making those numbers.

That being said, the entire thread is misleading, maybe not by intent, but everyone assumed the car was still k04 powered, and not using a BNR.

Also 28* degrees of timing sounds ambitious to me, even on 100% alcohol.

John, I'm the first guy to welcome you back, am glad to have another source of knowledge and parts, but could you clarify some of the confusing aspects without giving away any proprietary info?

[Pseud0logik]

I just want to make sure that you realize that there are two different cars in this discussion. The first belonging to @drenkel and is the being subjected to ridicule because people don't believe his power claims. This car is running stock turbo according to OP.

The second car belongs to Joe and was brought into the discussion by @HPFPUPGRADE who was using it as an example of Joe's tuning prowess. This car runs a restrictor plate and an upgraded turbo.

If there was no confusion, then I apologize. If there was then I hope this helps clear some of it.

[SofaKingAwesome]

Originally Posted by Ziggo I am so confused. Zigatapatalka

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 I've noticed HPFPupgrade mention VVT @ least once when commenting on dyno plots, and that is one thing that e-tuners don't have the ability to tune without a load bearing dyno. Maybe Joe is able to use VVT to create some more hp (who know to what extent). Another confusion... Are we talking about a restrictor pill or some kind of plate? Assuming the guy is running a restrictor pill, it sounds a lot like what Phate and Glorified Bozo did with the wastegate actuator on Glorified's car and I don't think even running straight alcohol he is making those numbers. That being said, the entire thread is misleading, maybe not by intent, but everyone assumed the car was still k04 powered, and not using a BNR. Also 28* degrees of timing sounds ambitious to me, even on 100% alcohol. John, I'm the first guy to welcome you back, am glad to have another source of knowledge and parts, but could you clarify some of the confusing aspects without giving away any proprietary info?

Because mystery

[Voltwings]

Ok, if this is the same Joe with DP tune in New Braunfels, TX that i have had experience with than i too with call BS and heres why. When i brought joe my car with full bolt ons (minus a downpipe) the car made 285 whp and 320 wtq, also on a dynojet. Now, you're trying to tell me the same guy tuning with the same software on the same car made a what, 60 whp difference with just a downpipe? The Joe i had experience with was a liar and a scam artist, he would not let me view my data logs or watch him tune, he made one re-flash to the car and sent me on my way. he charged me $600 for the tune and said he would give me a "military discount" so he wouldn't have to charge me tax, turns out it was just his way of keeping the sale off the books since he didn't give me a receipt. Also, when i tried to buy a fuel pump from him, he charged me the $650 before he had shipped (which is illegal btw) and any time i asked him about shipping info (New Braunfels to Houston takes 1 day) after 2 weeks he continuously dodged the question. When i offered to make the 3 hour drive to his shop and simply pick it up he refused and ignored my calls/emails from then on out. i had to have my bank track him down and refund my money. If this is not the same Joe, i apologize as i do not wish to slander anyones name, However if this is the same Joe, everyone needs to know to stay the hell away.

[Spirry]

Is Joe John?

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by Spilly Is Joe John?

Is John Joe? (I want to play too).

[Pseud0logik]

@Voltwings
yes it's the same Joe, thanks for sharing your experience. He's offered to tune my car numerous times and I haven't gone that route because of both the expense and the suspicion that he wouldn't share what exactly he was doing. You have confirmed what I suspected. This is valuable info.

@Spilly
No. At least I don't think so. It could be an elaborate ruse. But doubtful. Hmmm.

[Dano]

Originally Posted by Voltwings Ok, if this is the same Joe with DP tune in New Braunfels, TX that i have had experience with than i too with call BS and heres why. When i brought joe my car with full bolt ons (minus a downpipe) the car made 285 whp and 320 wtq, also on a dynojet. Now, you're trying to tell me the same guy tuning with the same software on the same car made a what, 60 whp difference with just a downpipe? The Joe i had experience with was a liar and a scam artist, he would not let me view my data logs or watch him tune, he made one re-flash to the car and sent me on my way. he charged me $600 for the tune and said he would give me a "military discount" so he wouldn't have to charge me tax, turns out it was just his way of keeping the sale off the books since he didn't give me a receipt. Also, when i tried to buy a fuel pump from him, he charged me the $650 before he had shipped (which is illegal btw) and any time i asked him about shipping info (New Braunfels to Houston takes 1 day) after 2 weeks he continuously dodged the question. When i offered to make the 3 hour drive to his shop and simply pick it up he refused and ignored my calls/emails from then on out. i had to have my bank track him down and refund my money. If this is not the same Joe, i apologize as i do not wish to slander anyones name, However if this is the same Joe, everyone needs to know to stay the hell away.

is it safe to assume since Pseud0logik thanked this post that the Joe's are one in the same?

edit: nevermind

this thread becomes more interesting by the day.

[Pseud0logik]

Yup, see my last post. One and the same.

edit: nevermind x2

[Dano]

hum...so maybe Joe just told OP he was making 342/387 and OP had never seen the plots.