Blown motor. Can I screw the dealer for a new one?
 

Just recently installed gtx3071 Ewg with boostjunkyz manifold and was getting freektuned
And was doing a log and knock knock guess who, spun rod bearing, if I pull turbo and make the bay acceptable for dealer, and unmarry my cobb accessport will the stealer ship be able to tell the ecu has been flashed?

Yes

Yes they will be able to tell?


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So I guess I'm hooped time for a rebuild eh


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How many miles on the car? What year?

We've had locals replace engines under warranty. The very worst they can do is say no. Make it stock and bring it in. Wouldn't hurt to ask around your Nator Chapter and find out which dealer is more mod friendly than the rest.

2012 55k on car, should I make the engine 100%stock or leave catback and intake and bpv


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100% stock...mazda will do anything to try and deny claims. And yes, they will be able to tell if they really go digging which they will if they suspect the car has been modded.

What bout ecu tho will they be able to tell I was tuned


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Lol yes they will tell it's been tampered. Most of the time if it's an expensive warranty fix then they are gonna dig deep

IMO they will first look at whether you have evidence of regular oil changes. Do you?

I do some are just receipts for oil tho is that acceptable?


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They'll know because I'll tell them. Suck it up and take responsibility for yourself. You decided to play this game and now you're going to pay. That's life. I'm currently paying for my play time at the track. When I went BT I waved goodbye to even thinking about anything warranty related. Take this as an opportunity to get some good rods and pistons (like I did).

It's funny you call them a stealership when you're trying to steal from Mazda.

Lol I am just asking what my options are here guys, that's all and it's looking like a build is in my future


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I know our dollar sucks to buy from the US, but a strong, yet reasonable option could be:
CP-E MZRevolved? Stage I Short Block MS3/MS6 06-12
+
MZR DISI Remanufactured Cylinder Head Mazdaspeed 3 Mazdaspeed 6 2006-2013

Puts you forward with having a stronger block, and gives you fresh parts to stick together

Add a couple odds and ends and you'll be on your way

You weren't discussing "options". You were discussing how to fuck the dealer into paying for your motor. Now that people are calling you out your gonna whistle a different tune?

You bolt a big turbo to a stock block, and when it pops you expect someone else to foot the bill?

It's people like you that make legit warranty claims hard for honest people.

Fuck you and your blown motor scumbag.

:sofa2:

If you read up on the AP they can read how many times the car was start between flashes so yes they will see no logs on the ecu and know there was a tuner installed.

I accepted that my warranty was gone even just on my bolt on modifications, I have claimed non-power train items on my warranty and managed to get them covered without issue. But I wouldn't attempt to get a blown motor replaced on Mazda's dime because it essentially makes it that much harder for people with legitimate claims down the road.

HOWEVER, I hate to play devil's advocate here, but MSF is choke full of threads celebrating guys who "got one over" on the dealership, or stock out threads to go to the dealership, or just guys who got lucky and got dealerships to warranty a clearly modified car (Which hey good on them, they didn't lie and the dealership was cool about it). To me as a community we can't pick and choose who we prop up for succeeding in getting a free motor and who we condemn for screwing Mazda. So I don't know that I am a fan of the title change because I can find you a few more threads just like this that went the complete opposite way as what is happening for the OP here.

Now that I have gotten the good cop thing outta my system, man up here. You have to pay to play, you rolled the dice and pushed the stock block to it's limits, you lost. Park your car, save your money, build it right, and consider it a lesson learned.

I'm kind of torn on this subject. I can see how this would make claiming warranty items for others harder. I'm an honest guy, never ask for anything more than what I'm owed and wouldn't rip someone off.


On the other hand, if you think for a second these dealerships don't scheme and Fuck the Ill advised, guess again. It's hard enough to get them to fix shit when it's stock as a rock, be it a stock speed or stock prius. Selling people services that aren't needed or parts that are actually covered under warranty, which I have witnessed and spoke to the person and steered them down the right road. Even purchasing a car, they dick people hard on the price and then slay them in financing. People like your grandma are taken advantage of by these cock heads and for this reason, zero fucks given. Some people don't have a head for negotiation or the mindset and business sense as to what these numbers in financing actually mean over 6 years.

If the dealer held up their end of the bargain and were honest and fair from sales to service, I would then look down on others for Op's question. We all know it's not the case, so Fuck them in their rotten asshole as deep and often as you can.

IMHO, of coarse.

Guess the OP is finally going to realize that some things are better left unsaid....

That is the only question I wanted an answer to thank you for your time I appreciate it, didn't realize that asking a couple questions about warranty made a guy a scumbag, I haven't been to a dealer yet I was simply asking if Mazda ecu read flashes or not, and seeing as they do a built motor will be happening


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i only saw an abbreviated title before clicking on this thread. yikes. your immediate thought is to fuck someone else because you fucked up? that is a terrible outlook. you own a mazdaspeed. lolwarranty. i can't count how many times i've thought to myself how fucked i am after something goes wrong when working on my car. i generally just accept that i am fucked and then work toward a solution that doesn't fuck others. i have used a lot of fucks in this post.

That wasn't the only question you wanted an answer to. Reread your thread title.

Hint: It's not the question about reflashes or warranty.

Lol, you have been cleverly misguided by a mod I think. I don't n't beleive it said that originally.

Okay your right the title says warranty, post explained what happened and asks about ecu, I realize maybe I was in the wrong asking about warranty and I know that it was a long shot, and as suspected am going to build the block nuff said


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Late to the party I guess. Did somebody already set up the booth to sell the pitchforks and torches, or do I have to run back home to get my own?

I guess honesty is just a lost cause for most people nowadays.

The mentality of "Well they screw people all the time, so it's okay for me to screw them" is a cheap cop out for having a shitty moral compass. But if that helps you sleep at night then by all means keep envoking your misguided sense of justice.

Anybody that knowingly and unjustly enriches themselves will earn a scumbag stamp from me, every time, every thread.

As for the title change and pulling out the proverbial "pitchforks"....

Let's call a spade a spade. The title accurately reflects the thread content and premise of the OP.

Let's just be honest, OP is most likely still going to try and screw over the dealer. He was thinking of being a piece of shit before he posted this thread, some random people online telling him he's a piece of shit, won't make him change from being a piece of shit.

No, that's not what you were/are doing. What you're actually doing is asking about how to go about defrauding a business. I know that's illegal here in the States, and I can't imagine it being much different North of the border.

Moreover, the fact that you posted on an open forum that anyone can read with a title like, "Can I screw the dealer for a new one?" puts you in a really shitty position if you do try to go through with it. A lot of dealers have people who search the forums for scumbags like you.

I don't know much, but I do know a few things. You can go into any dealer for warranty work, but when it comes to the MZR DISI motor things are a bit different.

Anything to do with that motor has to go through MazdaUSA or Mazda Corporate. They send their own Tech or a couple of Tech's in to review and then make a decision on how they will handle each case.

FACTS - In 2009 a friend of mine got a CEL that would not go away. The dealer tried a few things, but could not get it to stay off. After 3 weeks of the car being at the dealer, MazdaUSA finally came out and made the decision to replace the motor. The entire motor. Bill was $12,000 which the warranty covered.

I know you have already back pedaled and is changing your story, but these kind of stories lead to, "Fuck Mazda, they didn't replace the motor in my car".

It's not Mazda's fault, things happen, own up.

This is what's wrong with this country. You go big turbo, blow your engine, and want mazda to pay for it? If you wanted a warranty you should have never modded the car.

People trying to scam the system is why it becomes that much more difficult for someone with a legitimate problem to get the service they need. Man up and take the hit since you caused the engine to blow, not a defect from Mazda. Just get the refund for the remaining amount on your warranty and use that to fund a build.

I know others beat me, but I have a constitutional right to get my rant in lmao.

I personally agree with everything you said here, I guess I was just pointing out that we lack consistency on MSF with this particular subject. I completely agree that it is a sleezy move to do that much motor modification and then attempt to get Mazda to cover it when it blows on you. If every thread similar to this one went along these same lines then I would be right there on the "burn his couch" wagon. But a cursory search of MSF would reveal many threads where an OP was praised for this behavior. Most recently I recall a fully bolted BNR3 on corn in Tampa in the VIP section, something along the lines of "Low Compression in Cylinder 2" (I may be wrong on that title). That thread drug on for months with people not only praising but giving tips and advice for how to get a fresh MZR on Mazda's dime. Do I think that the OP here searched and saw that pattern, no. Because the answer to his original question is plastered on here 2309843029 times if you look. I was just pointing out that this isn't the first thread created along these same lines and most of them didn't get the burn treatment.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...-miles-173018/

"Bad cylinder at 24k miles"

I was wrong about the title, but this went on forever and this guy is very much active on MSF. Never heard anyone give him shit for fucking Mazda out of a motor. I bit my tongue on it because every time I saw that thread I wanted to say the same shit you guys are saying here, man the fuck up. But it seemed like it was accepted behavior so I kept my nose out of it.

I didn't even know it was possible to get a refund on remaining warranty?


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If you paid for an extended warranty, yes you can.

Awesome thanks I'll look into that


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Once you flash back the original tune and unmarry the AP the ecu looks no different than if you had disconnecTed the battery. Stop spreading bad information.

This isn't strictly accurate. There is a flash counter in the ECU. If Mazda looks, they can see which firmware version the ECU is on, and how many times the ECU was flashed. If they don't have a record of the X # of flashes that were done on the aftermarket, then they can make an argument that the car was fucked with and deny warranty claims.

I completely agree with everyone here. OP popped the motor, OP needs to man up and fix said popped motor on his own dime NOT MAZDA!...................However, I can't help but think of all the stories we've read here (and abroad) of Mazda clearly giving the finger to warranty issues that were clearly their fault. Remember the engines that decided bungy jumping out the engine bays while moving was an awesome idea (transmission mount bolt failure.) Mazda tried to blame that on peoples mods (even though it happened to stock motors even on the regular Mazda 3 too). It took them years to recall that and even then I think it was just a TSB right?? How about the completely stock motors that decided to send connecting rods on an all expense paid vacation to the moon, just because the car was cruising on the highway at 70 mph???? (I know, I know we don't know how these motors had been abused by their owners right? Cuz it specifically tells "Jo blow I don't know shit about cars," make sure you don't go WOT in these cars below 3000K rpms in the owners manual too. right?) Now I know this definitely wasn't in every case and I definitely agree two wrongs don't make a right. All I'm saying is IMO Mazda can be (and has proven to be in some cases) just as big a dick as the OP...................... Again to the original poster you broke it you bought it, bottom line...... Just my 2 pennies

And I'm planning on pulling motor and dropping the block off at machine shop next week


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Can you not just turn your blown motor into your insurance? I have often wondered this...


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There is a difference between spinning a rod bearing on a BT build and having a VVT actuator toss the valves with an intake.

My relationship with the dealer is solid because I'm honest. When I bought the car I told them I would be putting suspension bits on. They said they would not warranty tires or brakes for me because of that. I didn't care because who tracks a car and complains about OEM tires and brakes haha. They did say that in the event of a defect such as losing 2nd gear or popping the engine, I'd be covered.

Here I am at 2900 miles and the radiator blew a ton of holes in it, due to a manufacturing defect. Replaced no questions asked, with a bunch of suspension parts on the car.

I will be installing a FMIC down the line as well and have an Accessport. In the event something else happens, I will remove AP because the dealer told me not to leave a programmer installed as when they flash an update to the ECU it could brick it. Parts will be left on, and no questions will be asked BECAUSE WE ARE HONEST WITH EACH OTHER.

Not without an accident report.

Got it. Blow engine, crash car. Thanks for the help! Lol


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Remember when I hit that deer and the car wouldn't start after...?

I think we're missing an important point: why did the engine blow? You're being tuned by a reputable tuner, so it's not the tune. Were you low on oil? Boost spike? Was it some hardware failure because of something you did? Or was it something that failed prematurely due to manufacturer defect? If it's Mazda's fault, then by all means, they should pay. But if it's because of something you did, own up to it.

Inb4WOTat2000rpm

I remember, that was a sad day. Did the deer end up living? What did the insurance say?


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The deer tasted great. Everything was covered. It ended up being the starter ground got knocked off, but I also somehow lost a ton of oil. So no idea. Didn't care to look but I assume either the mounts held the engine so rigid that the block cracked from impact or something went through the oil pan/filter housing.

My thoughts exactly. No sense of going through the trouble of getting a new engine if the root cause is not addressed. After talking to OP, he said his oil level was on point, so that can be crossed off.

It may have been a boost spike, but I would have imagined a rod leaving his block before a bearing being spun. Seems fishy, but stranger things have happened.

Until a proper teardown of the engine occurs, we cannot say whether it was his fault or a manufacture's defect. Seems a little mysterious as he has relatively low milage, and the car was running like a top prior to going boom.

I think once we hear back the results from teardown, we can get our pitchforks and torches. OP unfortunately worded this thread in a way that seems slimey, which is why I can see where all the angst is coming from, but we all shouldn't jump to conclusions right away. Im sure those who have boomed/know someone in this situation can sympathize with this, they just acted in a more appropriate manner

I had just started my meth tune was at 328 VD prior to getting meth map, car seemed to be running strong, only slight knock at cruising speeds, did a pull for a log and that was that lymped the car to a safe lot off the highway and got it towed home I do have a log of when it happened I'll upload it and we will see


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Now you mention this!?:smashfreakB:

Did you run your setup on an OTS tune at any point, or did you have a base-map as soon as you installed everything?

Nope not once had a basemap right away


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Can you point me to the table that controls the lubrication of the bearings in ATR?

It's right between the Exhaust valve advance and the Auto shift tables... Didn't you know?


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I think it's only available in VersaTuner

Meth install fail....?

Seems very coincidental that the first squirt popped it.

Giggitty.

not according to COBB

No not the first squirt I sprayed on my last map then he reviewed logs and they looked awesome then sent me a meth map with AFR dialed, timing upped and duty cycle changed @freektune;


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It seems like you are full of fail.

@Justin@Freektune;

Appears to be so


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So no issues with the WMI installation?

It went fine I was having some troubles setting failsafe proper and delaying spray got it working good tho


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*Keeping mouth shut*

Moving along..

Goodluck trying to screw Mazda sir.

I see that Travis posted something to that effect several years ago: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...43/#post636000

That said, I have also talked to some Mazda techs, and I have family members who worked on the programming for various ECUs for a wide variety of cars over the years. They all say that there is generally a flash counter in pretty much all modern OBDII-equipped cars. This parameter is, however, generally buried fairly deeply, and Mazda only really looks at it if Corporate suspects the vehicle has been flashed and sends the ECU to Irvine.

Yes, so let's be totally clear on this. Whether they are a stealership or not (probably are but it's irrelevant) you wouldn't be hurting them, you would be hurting Mazda. And when an auto manufacturer sees warranty claims, has a recall, etc etc they try to avoid doing that again. So every time someone gets something replaced under warranty, it gives Mazda another reason to NOT build more 'speeds. And sure, they should take the warranty issues that they created, every one of them, but not more.

I like Mazdaspeeds, but I bet Mazdaspeeds are only marginally profitable to start with and they probably consider it a sort of halo car as it were. So let's try to give them every reason to PLEASE build MORE Mazdaspeed models - and NOT give them any reasons to

Exactly. Dealer will be happy to do as much work as you can throw at them as long as Mazda is reimbursing them for it.

Because the MZR is going to be used in a new vehicle after resources have been thrown to the Skyactiv. Nah.

@Easter Bunny;

I may be wrong quoting cobb on that information but I swear I read it off something they posted. Does not matter. I do not feel like finding the source.

The OBD2 vehicles count key cycles between times when the ecu is flashed. You are correct in stating the ECU looks the same as if you removed the battery but Mazda WILL try everything to not warranty something that cost 8k to repair and I am positive they will check for key cycles. I do not think they can actually tell hey you had an AP installed but it will look fishy that your motor blew up by spinning a rod and you decided to remove and reinstall the battery on the side of the road just prior to bringing it in. Your only hope is to tell them you removed it to keep the battery healthy because you did not know how long it would be sitting there and to have the car towed in without the battery installed. Even then mazda may say they have no ecu data to check therefor they can not say it was their fault or user error. Either way I highly doubt they will warranty this.

Easy. Car wouldn't start I took the battery out to have it tested/replaced.

You're missing his point. The fact that the next Mazdaspeed will likely have no power train components in common with this one doesn't change the fact that as a brand the Mazdaspeed division is more of a pet project than a money maker. Mazda does it to appease the fan boys and keep the "Zoom Zoom" spirit alive, but they aren't going to take a blatant blood bath on it. Case in point, see what has happened with the rotary and why there is no plan to return it to market at this point. Bragging rights and being unique are all great and dandy, but at the end of the day there is a bottom line that always reigns supreme. Luckily the speeds have for the most part handled the abuse they've been dealt fairly well. I don't know a lot of guys with bolt-ons/tunes that managed to blow them up. Left stockish there are plenty of high mileage examples out there on original motor.

Do I think this one busted motor is the make or break point for the next speed, no, that would be a ridiculous opinion to have. But, the mind set of racking up repairs on Mazda's coin that were due to end user, is something that slowly but surely adds to the negative side of Mazda's constant conflict of whether or not they can continue to produce a few niche models being such a small company relatively speaking.

Have you noticed that "Mazdaspeed Motorsports" is now changed to "Mazda Motorsports". I think Mazda as a whole had shifted focus. I think they'll offer something sporty, but not a 300whp AWD hot hatch like everyone wants. They want to be selling cars for 20-25k, not 40k.

Mazda had to shift focus for the sake of staying alive, the new partnership with Toyota is a prime example. When Ford was there as a sugar daddy they could keep all the pet projects they wanted, Ford paid the development bills, but also reaped the rewards from the shard technology Mazda was able to come up with, plus Mazda could pull all the FoMoCo parts they wanted. Mazda now operates by being efficient. They make fewer models than most manufacturers, but they are ranked near the top or at the top of every segment they compete in. Consumer reports moved Mazda ahead of Honda this year for Brand Quality. Mazda is #4 in the world by their ranking.

I really think you're somewhat right in that there will be a 20k option speed that is a little more fun than the old base 2.3 was. But give Mazda credit, they have done their best to pander at least a little to the fan boys. They have always kept the Miata refreshed a relevant. They did their absolute best to keep the rotary alive, but it became too much of a liability and bad marketing for the majority of people that just saw it as a lemon. They came out with a truly great platform in the 6/3 speeds that many of us take for granted. They won multiple awards for the speeds, several 10 best car and driver picks, and just because the ST came along and stole their thunder at the end, it doesn't change the fact that the speed dominated the hot hatch world for a solid 5 years, which in car terms is a long time. I don't think they vanilla up the next speed, I don't think it'll be as hardcore as many of us wish because at the end of the day Mazda likes value. But a 30ishK car that is slightly more capable than the old 3 is not far fetched at all.

Yeah you could always throw a different battery on there and say that the battery died. That would be my story for having a low key cycle count.

I agree. I just don't see them getting into performance as much as sporty econo cars right now. It seems the miata (if it is ever actually coming out) is their entire focus on performance right now.

Mazda also wants to keep their customers, so they will warranty anything they can. It does not mean they don't want to continue a new platform. They gave up on the MZR the first year the gen 2 launched. It doesn't mean they stopped producing them though.. More so related to CX7 owners not knowing how to maintain a vehicle.

If you full bolt or BT a stock block without thinking "hey this will void my warranty" then shame on you. I don't blame Mazda for a second how hard it is to get shit approved for warranty. Everyone can sit here and say stealership this or that, personally its how the shops present themselves or how trained the technicians are. I can guarantee that there are a handful or more of good reputable dealer shops around. I will say though there are plenty more bad shops. I run my shop in the back and certainly give a fuck.

Even those dealerships try to fuck Mazda behind their back to up their numbers.

Had a guy doing converter seals next to me at GM. One or two a week, the new seal went into the box and the trans case got degreased. Power of the pen.

Had a customer blow out a rear end on a CTS-V. Found a nitrus tappet. GM said he can pay for the axle or have the warranty branded.

What pisses me off the most are people that want shit for free, or something fucks up on their car. Always went to a independent shop or a jiff. Then demands shit for free coming into the dealer for the first time.

I'm telling you, get your car maintained at a Mazda store. You chances of warranty helping you doubles. They may not pay for the entire repair, but they can save you thousands. I can go on and on about this because I live it. All dealers are not bad. Trust me.


P.S. don't mind me I'm just ranting. :)

Mazda certainly has some pretty nifty stuff up their sleeve. You are correct about them focusing on econ cars. Remember though, they need something new to shove into the CX9 platform.

Its gas powered, with a turbo strapped on it. Don't worry their heartbeat is racing. It will always be.

This argument about the battery is kind of a pointless thing by now. OP said he is sending the motor to machine shop.

My original argument was simply that there will be no key cycles on the ecu and no memory therefor suspicious looking where as you stated there is no change which is untrue to an extent @Easter Bunny;

I'm amazed nobody has said this yet... does anybody have any proof of any of these theories or is everyone relying on what their sister's boyfriend's dad's uncle said? I see no dyno sheets. I see no fancy graphs.

I'm interested in seeing the infamous log.

Think of it this way: The forum is changing and we value integrity more now. That's a good thing.

I'm relying on what COBB the manufacturer of the device in question has stated many times. Too lazy to go find it now.

Nevermind the tech that is getting like 1/2 to 1/3 the hours for doing the job under warranty. You're mostly fucking him while decent paying jobs go to other people.

I put a trans in the same neon 3 times in a month. Lost reverse. When it first came in I told the service writer he was probably neutral bombing it because thats how my friend lost reverse in his Dodge 600 with the same 3 speed trans. 2 hours pay later it was changed. Week or so later it was back. Lost reverse again. 2 hours pay later out the door it went. 3rd time the field rep said I needed to tear the trans down so he could see what was happening. When the field rep got there I verbally took his fucking head off and shit down his throat.

Point of the story is how would you like it if someone was fucking with your paycheck just so they could play?

Rant over.

Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? Are you saying that a tech at a dealership gets paid only according to how many "service hours" of work they've been able to bill a customer for, as opposed to the number of actual hours of work performed?

It depends on where you work.

Eric the car guy has a great channel where he just talks about the automotive industry. Here's a video where he explains the differences between being paid hourly vs flat-rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa35NYGbmmk

All dealerships I worked at any tech good enough to put a motor in was flat rate. They pay less hours for the same work under warranty.
That neon trans was like 5.5 hours customer paying, 2 hours Chrysler paying. Don't quote me on the customer rate but I dam well remember what I got paid under warranty for it.

Just another thing to add to the list of how manufacturers and dealers Fuck people over. They don't care if you're a customer or employee as long as they can report the best bottom line to their shareholders. These are the real scumbags.

This is pretty much true of corporate America in general. I don't work in the auto industry, but I do work for a big corporation, and the only thing they give a single Fuck about is shareholder value.

They literally Fuck everyone trying to make a few more pennies per share.

Bingo. Seems like the real issue, as far as tech's being paid is concerned, is that the dealers are fucking them over. Though I really don't get why you would agree to being paid a flat rate in the first place. Yeah, if you finish a job early you get paid the full amount, but if you know you're going to be doing a lot of warranty work and getting fucked in the process, I'd work elsewhere. Or demand to be paid an hourly rate, regardless of work performed.

Just to help clear the air on the key cycle counter deal. What @Vansquish; is talking about is a flash counter, it's different than a key cycle counter.

Yes, it does exist. My neighbor is the only owner of a 2014 wrx and spun a rod bearing at 20k. He had an AP, intake, downpipe on the car. He told the dealership he didn't have any tuner and he stocked the car out. Dealership got corporate tech. They checked the flash counter and found out it had been flashed. They called him back and he fessed up. Dealership covered half the cost on the replacement engine still. There is a way for them to check the flash counter, the only way around it would be if you bought the car used and you could blame it on a previous owner.

BUT, that's a pretty slimy thing to do. I know you've already started down the road to building your engine so thanks for not being a faggot. Honestly with such a set up you're only hurting yourself by restraining your turbo to the capacity of what the stock engine can hold.

AMEN to that!

Well you can make more than 40 hours in a week only being there 40. Working on the same cars repeatedly and seeing the same problems makes you pretty fast. The rate is usually a little better than independent shops too.

I had to replace an HVAC blend door in an explorer at an independent shop. 1st time I did it was the last time I did one. Guys at ford were doing a couple a week.

Dealers aren't really screwing their techs. The dealer only gets paid the low warranty rate from the manufacturer. Shit rolls downhill. They would rather have a good tech doing cash work making them more money too. That blown motor being on the lift for a day or two when the dealer could have had 20 hours cash work go through the shop. That's the dealer's cost of a franchise.

It's just one giant Fuck fest, regardless if you're the customer, dealer, or manufacturer. Just make sure you're on the winning end.

That's a Subaru. Can anyone state factually that something similar exists on our cars?

My 2 cents here. Yes the IDS ford/mazda scan tool can see a "flash counter" on every control module. They in no way can say that it was you, or that it was for an aftermarket tune. Any dealership would love for you to bring in a COMPLETELY stocked out car so they can justify covering it under warranty. It gives them business and money. You better start collecting your oil records for every single oil change. Play it dumb and say it just blew up driving home from work and your golden.

Flame suit on if I missed it, but did you actually verify that a spun rod bearing(s) was the culprit?

Bad knock, clunk at blimps of throttle none at idle I'm assuming a rod bearing doing a partial tear down tonight


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Broken rmm Perhaps?

I'll check that but started immediately after a 4th gear log, partial throttle clunks bad, no throttle goes away


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Bent rod, maybe not a spun bearing.

you'll feel a bent rod in your clutch pedal, even in neutral at idle...

DO NOT DO A LOG WITH YOUR MOTOR ACTING UP!

I am not even starting the car it's parked I'm gonna tear into it, it sounds like rod slap on crank I may be wrong but according to sound clips and symptoms that's what I think it is


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