Blown motor. Can I screw the dealer for a new one?

[Jdraps13]

Just recently installed gtx3071 Ewg with boostjunkyz manifold and was getting freektuned
And was doing a log and knock knock guess who, spun rod bearing, if I pull turbo and make the bay acceptable for dealer, and unmarry my cobb accessport will the stealer ship be able to tell the ecu has been flashed?

[UnionThug]

Yes

[Jdraps13]

Yes they will be able to tell?


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So I guess I'm hooped time for a rebuild eh


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[mr.speedy3]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 Yes they will be able to tell? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So I guess I'm hooped time for a rebuild eh Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

How many miles on the car? What year?

We've had locals replace engines under warranty. The very worst they can do is say no. Make it stock and bring it in. Wouldn't hurt to ask around your Nator Chapter and find out which dealer is more mod friendly than the rest.

[Jdraps13]

2012 55k on car, should I make the engine 100%stock or leave catback and intake and bpv


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[nilashish]

100% stock...mazda will do anything to try and deny claims. And yes, they will be able to tell if they really go digging which they will if they suspect the car has been modded.

[Jdraps13]

What bout ecu tho will they be able to tell I was tuned


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[UnionThug]

Lol yes they will tell it's been tampered. Most of the time if it's an expensive warranty fix then they are gonna dig deep

[crutch77]

IMO they will first look at whether you have evidence of regular oil changes. Do you?

[Jdraps13]

I do some are just receipts for oil tho is that acceptable?


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[shamie]

They'll know because I'll tell them. Suck it up and take responsibility for yourself. You decided to play this game and now you're going to pay. That's life. I'm currently paying for my play time at the track. When I went BT I waved goodbye to even thinking about anything warranty related. Take this as an opportunity to get some good rods and pistons (like I did).

[[R]usty]

It's funny you call them a stealership when you're trying to steal from Mazda.

[Jdraps13]

Lol I am just asking what my options are here guys, that's all and it's looking like a build is in my future


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[Bob-o]

I know our dollar sucks to buy from the US, but a strong, yet reasonable option could be:
CP-E MZRevolved? Stage I Short Block MS3/MS6 06-12
+
MZR DISI Remanufactured Cylinder Head Mazdaspeed 3 Mazdaspeed 6 2006-2013

Puts you forward with having a stronger block, and gives you fresh parts to stick together

Add a couple odds and ends and you'll be on your way

[Agent_Orange]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 Lol I am just asking what my options are here guys, that's all and it's looking like a build is in my future Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You weren't discussing "options". You were discussing how to fuck the dealer into paying for your motor. Now that people are calling you out your gonna whistle a different tune?

You bolt a big turbo to a stock block, and when it pops you expect someone else to foot the bill?

It's people like you that make legit warranty claims hard for honest people.

Fuck you and your blown motor scumbag.

[UnionThug]

[speedfreak44]

If you read up on the AP they can read how many times the car was start between flashes so yes they will see no logs on the ecu and know there was a tuner installed.

[InkedInspector]

I accepted that my warranty was gone even just on my bolt on modifications, I have claimed non-power train items on my warranty and managed to get them covered without issue. But I wouldn't attempt to get a blown motor replaced on Mazda's dime because it essentially makes it that much harder for people with legitimate claims down the road.

HOWEVER, I hate to play devil's advocate here, but MSF is choke full of threads celebrating guys who "got one over" on the dealership, or stock out threads to go to the dealership, or just guys who got lucky and got dealerships to warranty a clearly modified car (Which hey good on them, they didn't lie and the dealership was cool about it). To me as a community we can't pick and choose who we prop up for succeeding in getting a free motor and who we condemn for screwing Mazda. So I don't know that I am a fan of the title change because I can find you a few more threads just like this that went the complete opposite way as what is happening for the OP here.

Now that I have gotten the good cop thing outta my system, man up here. You have to pay to play, you rolled the dice and pushed the stock block to it's limits, you lost. Park your car, save your money, build it right, and consider it a lesson learned.

[Spec]

I'm kind of torn on this subject. I can see how this would make claiming warranty items for others harder. I'm an honest guy, never ask for anything more than what I'm owed and wouldn't rip someone off.


On the other hand, if you think for a second these dealerships don't scheme and Fuck the Ill advised, guess again. It's hard enough to get them to fix shit when it's stock as a rock, be it a stock speed or stock prius. Selling people services that aren't needed or parts that are actually covered under warranty, which I have witnessed and spoke to the person and steered them down the right road. Even purchasing a car, they dick people hard on the price and then slay them in financing. People like your grandma are taken advantage of by these cock heads and for this reason, zero fucks given. Some people don't have a head for negotiation or the mindset and business sense as to what these numbers in financing actually mean over 6 years.

If the dealer held up their end of the bargain and were honest and fair from sales to service, I would then look down on others for Op's question. We all know it's not the case, so Fuck them in their rotten asshole as deep and often as you can.

IMHO, of coarse.

[predapio]

Guess the OP is finally going to realize that some things are better left unsaid....

[Jdraps13]

Originally Posted by speedfreak44 If you read up on the AP they can read how many times the car was start between flashes so yes they will see no logs on the ecu and know there was a tuner installed.

That is the only question I wanted an answer to thank you for your time I appreciate it, didn't realize that asking a couple questions about warranty made a guy a scumbag, I haven't been to a dealer yet I was simply asking if Mazda ecu read flashes or not, and seeing as they do a built motor will be happening


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[acousticdefbot]

i only saw an abbreviated title before clicking on this thread. yikes. your immediate thought is to fuck someone else because you fucked up? that is a terrible outlook. you own a mazdaspeed. lolwarranty. i can't count how many times i've thought to myself how fucked i am after something goes wrong when working on my car. i generally just accept that i am fucked and then work toward a solution that doesn't fuck others. i have used a lot of fucks in this post.

[Crarrs]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 That is the only question I wanted an answer to thank you for your time I appreciate it, didn't realize that asking a couple questions about warranty made a guy a scumbag, I haven't been to a dealer yet I was simply asking if Mazda ecu read flashes or not, and seeing as they do a built motor will be happening Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That wasn't the only question you wanted an answer to. Reread your thread title.

Hint: It's not the question about reflashes or warranty.

[Spec]

Originally Posted by Crarrs That wasn't the only question you wanted an answer to. Reread your thread title. Hint: It's not the question about reflashes or warranty.

Lol, you have been cleverly misguided by a mod I think. I don't n't beleive it said that originally.

[Jdraps13]

Okay your right the title says warranty, post explained what happened and asks about ecu, I realize maybe I was in the wrong asking about warranty and I know that it was a long shot, and as suspected am going to build the block nuff said


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[Crarrs]

Originally Posted by Spec Lol, you have been cleverly misguided by a mod I think. I can't beleive it said that originally.

Late to the party I guess. Did somebody already set up the booth to sell the pitchforks and torches, or do I have to run back home to get my own?

[Agent_Orange]

I guess honesty is just a lost cause for most people nowadays.

The mentality of "Well they screw people all the time, so it's okay for me to screw them" is a cheap cop out for having a shitty moral compass. But if that helps you sleep at night then by all means keep envoking your misguided sense of justice.

Anybody that knowingly and unjustly enriches themselves will earn a scumbag stamp from me, every time, every thread.

As for the title change and pulling out the proverbial "pitchforks"....

Let's call a spade a spade. The title accurately reflects the thread content and premise of the OP.

[g00s3y]

Let's just be honest, OP is most likely still going to try and screw over the dealer. He was thinking of being a piece of shit before he posted this thread, some random people online telling him he's a piece of shit, won't make him change from being a piece of shit.

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 Lol I am just asking what my options are here guys, that's all and it's looking like a build is in my future

No, that's not what you were/are doing. What you're actually doing is asking about how to go about defrauding a business. I know that's illegal here in the States, and I can't imagine it being much different North of the border.

Moreover, the fact that you posted on an open forum that anyone can read with a title like, "Can I screw the dealer for a new one?" puts you in a really shitty position if you do try to go through with it. A lot of dealers have people who search the forums for scumbags like you.

[Scare Dem]

I don't know much, but I do know a few things. You can go into any dealer for warranty work, but when it comes to the MZR DISI motor things are a bit different.

Anything to do with that motor has to go through MazdaUSA or Mazda Corporate. They send their own Tech or a couple of Tech's in to review and then make a decision on how they will handle each case.

FACTS - In 2009 a friend of mine got a CEL that would not go away. The dealer tried a few things, but could not get it to stay off. After 3 weeks of the car being at the dealer, MazdaUSA finally came out and made the decision to replace the motor. The entire motor. Bill was $12,000 which the warranty covered.

I know you have already back pedaled and is changing your story, but these kind of stories lead to, "Fuck Mazda, they didn't replace the motor in my car".

It's not Mazda's fault, things happen, own up.

[PPD369Speed3]

This is what's wrong with this country. You go big turbo, blow your engine, and want mazda to pay for it? If you wanted a warranty you should have never modded the car.

People trying to scam the system is why it becomes that much more difficult for someone with a legitimate problem to get the service they need. Man up and take the hit since you caused the engine to blow, not a defect from Mazda. Just get the refund for the remaining amount on your warranty and use that to fund a build.

I know others beat me, but I have a constitutional right to get my rant in lmao.

[InkedInspector]

Originally Posted by Agent_Orange I guess honesty is just a lost cause for most people nowadays. The mentality of "Well they screw people all the time, so it's okay for me to screw them" is a cheap cop out for having a shitty moral compass. But if that helps you sleep at night then by all means keep envoking your misguided sense of justice. Anybody that knowingly and unjustly enriches themselves will earn a scumbag stamp from me, every time, every thread. As for the title change and pulling out the proverbial "pitchforks".... Let's call a spade a spade. The title accurately reflects the thread content and premise of the OP.

I personally agree with everything you said here, I guess I was just pointing out that we lack consistency on MSF with this particular subject. I completely agree that it is a sleezy move to do that much motor modification and then attempt to get Mazda to cover it when it blows on you. If every thread similar to this one went along these same lines then I would be right there on the "burn his couch" wagon. But a cursory search of MSF would reveal many threads where an OP was praised for this behavior. Most recently I recall a fully bolted BNR3 on corn in Tampa in the VIP section, something along the lines of "Low Compression in Cylinder 2" (I may be wrong on that title). That thread drug on for months with people not only praising but giving tips and advice for how to get a fresh MZR on Mazda's dime. Do I think that the OP here searched and saw that pattern, no. Because the answer to his original question is plastered on here 2309843029 times if you look. I was just pointing out that this isn't the first thread created along these same lines and most of them didn't get the burn treatment.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...-miles-173018/

"Bad cylinder at 24k miles"

I was wrong about the title, but this went on forever and this guy is very much active on MSF. Never heard anyone give him shit for fucking Mazda out of a motor. I bit my tongue on it because every time I saw that thread I wanted to say the same shit you guys are saying here, man the fuck up. But it seemed like it was accepted behavior so I kept my nose out of it.

[Jdraps13]

Originally Posted by PPD369Speed3 This is what's wrong with this country. You go big turbo, blow your engine, and want mazda to pay for it? If you wanted a warranty you should have never modded the car. People trying to scam the system is why it becomes that much more difficult for someone with a legitimate problem to get the service they need. Man up and take the hit since you caused the engine to blow, not a defect from Mazda. Just get the refund for the remaining amount on your warranty and use that to fund a build. I know others beat me, but I have a constitutional right to get my rant in lmao.

I didn't even know it was possible to get a refund on remaining warranty?


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[PPD369Speed3]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 I didn't even know it was possible to get a refund on remaining warranty? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you paid for an extended warranty, yes you can.

[Jdraps13]

Originally Posted by PPD369Speed3 If you paid for an extended warranty, yes you can.

Awesome thanks I'll look into that


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[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by UnionThug Yes

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 What bout ecu tho will they be able to tell I was tuned Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Originally Posted by UnionThug Lol yes they will tell it's been tampered. Most of the time if it's an expensive warranty fix then they are gonna dig deep

Originally Posted by speedfreak44 If you read up on the AP they can read how many times the car was start between flashes so yes they will see no logs on the ecu and know there was a tuner installed.

Once you flash back the original tune and unmarry the AP the ecu looks no different than if you had disconnecTed the battery. Stop spreading bad information.

[Vansquish]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny Once you flash back the original tune and unmarry the AP the ecu looks no different than if you had disconnecTed the battery. Stop spreading bad information.

This isn't strictly accurate. There is a flash counter in the ECU. If Mazda looks, they can see which firmware version the ECU is on, and how many times the ECU was flashed. If they don't have a record of the X # of flashes that were done on the aftermarket, then they can make an argument that the car was fucked with and deny warranty claims.

[Novej]

I completely agree with everyone here. OP popped the motor, OP needs to man up and fix said popped motor on his own dime NOT MAZDA!...................However, I can't help but think of all the stories we've read here (and abroad) of Mazda clearly giving the finger to warranty issues that were clearly their fault. Remember the engines that decided bungy jumping out the engine bays while moving was an awesome idea (transmission mount bolt failure.) Mazda tried to blame that on peoples mods (even though it happened to stock motors even on the regular Mazda 3 too). It took them years to recall that and even then I think it was just a TSB right?? How about the completely stock motors that decided to send connecting rods on an all expense paid vacation to the moon, just because the car was cruising on the highway at 70 mph???? (I know, I know we don't know how these motors had been abused by their owners right? Cuz it specifically tells "Jo blow I don't know shit about cars," make sure you don't go WOT in these cars below 3000K rpms in the owners manual too. right?) Now I know this definitely wasn't in every case and I definitely agree two wrongs don't make a right. All I'm saying is IMO Mazda can be (and has proven to be in some cases) just as big a dick as the OP...................... Again to the original poster you broke it you bought it, bottom line...... Just my 2 pennies

[Jdraps13]

Originally Posted by Novej I completely agree with everyone here. OP popped the motor, OP needs to man up and fix said popped motor on his own dime NOT MAZDA!...................However, I can't help but think of all the stories we've read here (and abroad) of Mazda clearly giving the finger to warranty issues that were clearly their fault. Remember the engines bungy jumping out the engine bays (transmission mount bolt failure) that Mazda tried to blame on peoples mods (even though it happened to stock motors even on the regular Mazda 3 too). How about the completely stock motors that decided to send connecting rods on an all expense paid vacation to the moon, just because the car was cruising on the highway at 70 mph???? Now I know this definitely wasn't in every case and I definitely agree two wrongs don't make a right. All I'm saying is IMO Mazda can be (and has proven to be) just as big a dick as the OP...................... Again to the original poster you broke it you bought it, bottom line...... Just my 2 pennies

And I'm planning on pulling motor and dropping the block off at machine shop next week


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[littleloogy]

Can you not just turn your blown motor into your insurance? I have often wondered this...


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