Blown motor. Can I screw the dealer for a new one?

[fz6brian]

Nevermind the tech that is getting like 1/2 to 1/3 the hours for doing the job under warranty. You're mostly fucking him while decent paying jobs go to other people.

I put a trans in the same neon 3 times in a month. Lost reverse. When it first came in I told the service writer he was probably neutral bombing it because thats how my friend lost reverse in his Dodge 600 with the same 3 speed trans. 2 hours pay later it was changed. Week or so later it was back. Lost reverse again. 2 hours pay later out the door it went. 3rd time the field rep said I needed to tear the trans down so he could see what was happening. When the field rep got there I verbally took his fucking head off and shit down his throat.

Point of the story is how would you like it if someone was fucking with your paycheck just so they could play?

Rant over.

[biggman026]

Originally Posted by fz6brian Nevermind the tech that is getting like 1/2 to 1/3 the hours for doing the job under warranty. You're mostly fucking him while decent paying jobs go to other people.

Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? Are you saying that a tech at a dealership gets paid only according to how many "service hours" of work they've been able to bill a customer for, as opposed to the number of actual hours of work performed?

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by biggman026 Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by this? Are you saying that a tech at a dealership gets paid only according to how many "service hours" of work they've been able to bill a customer for, as opposed to the number of actual hours of work performed?

It depends on where you work.

Eric the car guy has a great channel where he just talks about the automotive industry. Here's a video where he explains the differences between being paid hourly vs flat-rate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa35NYGbmmk

[fz6brian]

All dealerships I worked at any tech good enough to put a motor in was flat rate. They pay less hours for the same work under warranty.
That neon trans was like 5.5 hours customer paying, 2 hours Chrysler paying. Don't quote me on the customer rate but I dam well remember what I got paid under warranty for it.

[Spec]

Originally Posted by fz6brian Nevermind the tech that is getting like 1/2 to 1/3 the hours for doing the job under warranty. You're mostly fucking him while decent paying jobs go to other people. I put a trans in the same neon 3 times in a month. Lost reverse. When it first came in I told the service writer he was probably neutral bombing it because thats how my friend lost reverse in his Dodge 600 with the same 3 speed trans. 2 hours pay later it was changed. Week or so later it was back. Lost reverse again. 2 hours pay later out the door it went. 3rd time the field rep said I needed to tear the trans down so he could see what was happening. When the field rep got there I verbally took his fucking head off and shit down his throat. Point of the story is how would you like it if someone was fucking with your paycheck just so they could play? Rant over.

Just another thing to add to the list of how manufacturers and dealers Fuck people over. They don't care if you're a customer or employee as long as they can report the best bottom line to their shareholders. These are the real scumbags.

[darthxar]

Originally Posted by Spec Just another thing to add to the list of how manufacturers and dealers Fuck people over. They don't care if you're a customer or employee as long as they can report the best bottom line to their shareholders. These are the real scumbags.

This is pretty much true of corporate America in general. I don't work in the auto industry, but I do work for a big corporation, and the only thing they give a single Fuck about is shareholder value.

They literally Fuck everyone trying to make a few more pennies per share.

[biggman026]

Originally Posted by Spec Just another thing to add to the list of how manufacturers and dealers Fuck people over. They don't care if you're a customer or employee as long as they can report the best bottom line to their shareholders. These are the real scumbags.

Bingo. Seems like the real issue, as far as tech's being paid is concerned, is that the dealers are fucking them over. Though I really don't get why you would agree to being paid a flat rate in the first place. Yeah, if you finish a job early you get paid the full amount, but if you know you're going to be doing a lot of warranty work and getting fucked in the process, I'd work elsewhere. Or demand to be paid an hourly rate, regardless of work performed.

[Mazdazilla6]

Just to help clear the air on the key cycle counter deal. What @Vansquish; is talking about is a flash counter, it's different than a key cycle counter.

Yes, it does exist. My neighbor is the only owner of a 2014 wrx and spun a rod bearing at 20k. He had an AP, intake, downpipe on the car. He told the dealership he didn't have any tuner and he stocked the car out. Dealership got corporate tech. They checked the flash counter and found out it had been flashed. They called him back and he fessed up. Dealership covered half the cost on the replacement engine still. There is a way for them to check the flash counter, the only way around it would be if you bought the car used and you could blame it on a previous owner.

BUT, that's a pretty slimy thing to do. I know you've already started down the road to building your engine so thanks for not being a faggot. Honestly with such a set up you're only hurting yourself by restraining your turbo to the capacity of what the stock engine can hold.

[ALPINEST4RS]

Originally Posted by Spec Just another thing to add to the list of how manufacturers and dealers Fuck people over. They don't care if you're a customer or employee as long as they can report the best bottom line to their shareholders. These are the real scumbags.

AMEN to that!

[fz6brian]

Originally Posted by biggman026 Bingo. Seems like the real issue, as far as tech's being paid is concerned, is that the dealers are fucking them over. Though I really don't get why you would agree to being paid a flat rate in the first place. Yeah, if you finish a job early you get paid the full amount, but if you know you're going to be doing a lot of warranty work and getting fucked in the process, I'd work elsewhere. Or demand to be paid an hourly rate, regardless of work performed.

Well you can make more than 40 hours in a week only being there 40. Working on the same cars repeatedly and seeing the same problems makes you pretty fast. The rate is usually a little better than independent shops too.

I had to replace an HVAC blend door in an explorer at an independent shop. 1st time I did it was the last time I did one. Guys at ford were doing a couple a week.

Dealers aren't really screwing their techs. The dealer only gets paid the low warranty rate from the manufacturer. Shit rolls downhill. They would rather have a good tech doing cash work making them more money too. That blown motor being on the lift for a day or two when the dealer could have had 20 hours cash work go through the shop. That's the dealer's cost of a franchise.

[Spec]

It's just one giant Fuck fest, regardless if you're the customer, dealer, or manufacturer. Just make sure you're on the winning end.

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by Mazdazilla6 Just to help clear the air on the key cycle counter deal. What @Vansquish; is talking about is a flash counter, it's different than a key cycle counter. Yes, it does exist. My neighbor is the only owner of a 2014 wrx and spun a rod bearing at 20k. He had an AP, intake, downpipe on the car. He told the dealership he didn't have any tuner and he stocked the car out. Dealership got corporate tech. They checked the flash counter and found out it had been flashed. They called him back and he fessed up. Dealership covered half the cost on the replacement engine still. There is a way for them to check the flash counter, the only way around it would be if you bought the car used and you could blame it on a previous owner. BUT, that's a pretty slimy thing to do. I know you've already started down the road to building your engine so thanks for not being a faggot. Honestly with such a set up you're only hurting yourself by restraining your turbo to the capacity of what the stock engine can hold.

That's a Subaru. Can anyone state factually that something similar exists on our cars?

[timmcc02]

My 2 cents here. Yes the IDS ford/mazda scan tool can see a "flash counter" on every control module. They in no way can say that it was you, or that it was for an aftermarket tune. Any dealership would love for you to bring in a COMPLETELY stocked out car so they can justify covering it under warranty. It gives them business and money. You better start collecting your oil records for every single oil change. Play it dumb and say it just blew up driving home from work and your golden.

[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 Just recently installed gtx3071 Ewg with boostjunkyz manifold and was getting freektuned And was doing a log and knock knock guess who, spun rod bearing, if I pull turbo and make the bay acceptable for dealer, and unmarry my cobb accessport will the stealer ship be able to tell the ecu has been flashed?

Flame suit on if I missed it, but did you actually verify that a spun rod bearing(s) was the culprit?

[Jdraps13]

Bad knock, clunk at blimps of throttle none at idle I'm assuming a rod bearing doing a partial tear down tonight


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[Easter Bunny]

Broken rmm Perhaps?

[Jdraps13]

I'll check that but started immediately after a 4th gear log, partial throttle clunks bad, no throttle goes away


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[btstarcher]

Bent rod, maybe not a spun bearing.

[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 Bad knock, clunk at blimps of throttle none at idle I'm assuming a rod bearing doing a partial tear down tonight Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

you'll feel a bent rod in your clutch pedal, even in neutral at idle...

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 I'll check that but started immediately after a 4th gear log, partial throttle clunks bad, no throttle goes away Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

DO NOT DO A LOG WITH YOUR MOTOR ACTING UP!

[Jdraps13]

Originally Posted by hatchedspeed3 you'll feel a bent rod in your clutch pedal, even in neutral at idle... DO NOT DO A LOG WITH YOUR MOTOR ACTING UP!

I am not even starting the car it's parked I'm gonna tear into it, it sounds like rod slap on crank I may be wrong but according to sound clips and symptoms that's what I think it is


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[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 I am not even starting the car it's parked I'm gonna tear into it, it sounds like rod slap on crank I may be wrong but according to sound clips and symptoms that's what I think it is Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thats like saying you have HPFP because your AP says you are over 1650 psi at WOT. have you drained the oil yet to check for metal shavings/ starvation?

[Jdraps13]

Doing that tonight


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[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by Jdraps13 Doing that tonight Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

make sure you measure how many quarts come out to see how low you are. if you can, pull the pan after its empty to look for shavings around the BS. Have you looked at plugs or done a comp test yet?

[Scare Dem]

Damn @hatchedspeed3; you are wanting to diagnose this shit, huh?

[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by Scare Dem Damn @hatchedspeed3; you are wanting to diagnose this shit, huh?

well, since msf went all soft and shit, and IM out of viagra...yes....
In all seriousness, I wish I wouldve had this much input on my motor when I blew. Just trying to be a good NATOR lol.


@WetzMS3; did @xfeejayx; ever extend my wedding invitation to you??? banana hammocks encouraged

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by hatchedspeed3 well, since msf went all soft and shit, and IM out of viagra...yes.... In all seriousness, I wish I wouldve had this much input on my motor when I blew. Just trying to be a good NATOR lol. @WetzMS3; did @xfeejayx; ever extend my wedding invitation to you??? banana hammocks encouraged

Wedding invite?? No, he did not! Are you and @SofaKingAwesome; coming here for a big gay FABULOUS ceremony because Texas don't like the gays or something?

[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 Wedding invite?? No, he did not! Are you and @SofaKingAwesome; coming here for a big gay FABULOUS ceremony because Texas don't like the gays or something?

Evan and I already eloped. He's the best big spoon ever, but me and my side bitch are gettin serious. shes not as picky and twice as horny as him. hes nice to have around though...and that mustang.....lol

[speedfreak44]

For what its worth you may want to video tape the oil draining if you do ever want to attempt a warranty. If it shows a good level then at least you have some proof it wasn't low on oil. I blew up a car under warranty and the dealership said I was out of oil despite it being changed about 2 weeks prior with receipt. I asked them to show me they said they couldn't because it was thrown out. I contacted my lawyer and requested proof that my oil level was low (they said it was my fault because I should check my oil every day before I start my car lmao) and they quickly changed tune. So document the amount that comes out so you have some proof. Bringing the car in empty on oil is def grounds for dismissal

[SofaKingAwesome]

@WetzMS3; fuck you for making read through this AIDS infested thread.

OP, put it back to bone stock, uninstall AP, and take it in. The worst that can happen is they say fuck you. Best case, you get some help.

/thread for fuck's sake.

Side note: If anyone asks you about the ECU state, say that after the failure, you disconnected the battery to see if that would help.
There is no flash counter, however, everything will be in a not-ready state, and it will be obvious the ECU was recently reset. Play dumb and go with the battery excuse.

[hatchedspeed3]

good idea @speedfreak44;
@WetzMS3; even us MSF fags can get married down here. All jokes aside, july 30th 2016 Marble Falls, Tx. You +1 are welcome and on our guest list. now slap @xfeejayx; for not telling you lol.

Originally Posted by SofaKingAwesome @WetzMS3; fuck you for making read through this AIDS infested thread. OP, put it back to bone stock, uninstall AP, and take it in. The worst that can happen is they say fuck you. Best case, you get some help. /thread for fuck's sake.

somebody is grumpy. did I not give you enough attention the other day? lol

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by hatchedspeed3 Evan and I already eloped. He's the best big spoon ever, but me and my side bitch are gettin serious. shes not as picky and twice as horny as him. hes nice to have around though...and that mustang.....lol

Congrats!

Originally Posted by SofaKingAwesome @WetzMS3; fuck you for making read through this AIDS infested thread. OP, put it back to bone stock, uninstall AP, and take it in. The worst that can happen is they say fuck you. Best case, you get some help. /thread for fuck's sake.

Love you too homo!

Originally Posted by hatchedspeed3 good idea @speedfreek44; @WetzMS3; even us MSF fags can get married down here. All jokes aside, july 30th 2016 Marble Falls, Tx. You +1 are welcome and on our guest list. now slap @xfeejayx; for not telling you lol. somebody is grumpy. did I not give you enough attention the other day? lol

Damn, seriously?? Haha I'll have to talk to Brown Bear about this tonight. Congrats again. I'll check out if I can make it and let you know man. I wouldn't pass up a banana hammock party with you and @SofaKingAwesome; unless I have to.

[hatchedspeed3]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 Congrats! Love you too homo! Damn, seriously?? Haha I'll have to talk to Brown Bear about this tonight. Congrats again. I'll check out if I can make it and let you know man. I wouldn't pass up a banana hammock party with you and @SofaKingAwesome; unless I have to.

there is no passing this up. its even on the water. I really wish he would have told you, your hotel will be partially comped at the very least.

@SofaKingAwesome; my bad dude, forgot to tell you. you plus the misses will be receieving invites. maybe thats why hes grumpy?? lol

[xfeejayx]

This thread is already f'd, so might as well.
@hatchedspeed3;, Wetz has written me off for the month. Been stumbling around since I got back, and my brain has been f'd the past couple weeks. I probably would have remembered in a couple weeks and told him.

We'll show up with bolt on fart cans. You get a 6 liter solute out of pop bottle exhausts.

[speedfreak44]

The worst part about that was the car had a drop in K and N filter and that is what they tried to say voided my warranty and caused excess oil consumption.

Just to clarify the dealership was an Ed Morse one. NOBODY buy from these scumbags ever. They do own mazda dealerships fyi. In the end they ended up paying me $4,500 and covering my motor work but they used a used motor for replacement. They also were too stupid to report the work they did so under carfax it said minor motor work lol. I traded that car in within a month and got full value.

In my opinion I wouldn't even bother bringing the car in.

Also as far as the key cycle counting is concerned I quickly did some google searching, I couldn't find what I originally read but ford admitted in tsb 11-7-7 that they can only see the ecu history was reset and for the techs to inspect the motor for signs of modifications or history of mods. These dealerships are cracking down on this stuff so unless your power window stopped working warranties are basically useless.

[speed3black87]

try fucking the dealer, get caught good luck ever servicing your car at a Mazda dealer ever again. There are these things called computers with internet, they make notes on file attached to your vin internally and anywhere you go they will see it. get away with it then good job. Just know, once they find out you modified it, all the dealers will be aware of it.

[InkedInspector]

Originally Posted by speed3black87 try fucking the dealer, get caught good luck ever servicing your car at a Mazda dealer ever again. There are these things called computers with internet, they make notes on file attached to your vin internally and anywhere you go they will see it. get away with it then good job. Just know, once they find out you modified it, all the dealers will be aware of it.

This myth of the secret mods tied to VIN thing has been busted so many times at this point. If dealers know about it locally it's usually because someone tried a bogus claim, like a blown motor on a heavily modified car, and they call the other dealerships to see if it's been in their shop. There are a few threads on here blowing that theory to pieces. Dealerships WANT to warranty your car if they can get away with it and if you give them a reason to. Be friendly with them, make it known you are a loyal Mazda customer (It helps me to have a Loaded CX-9 picking me up when I drop my car off), and be as straight forward as you can. If Mazda decides to investigate then it's out of the dealership's hands.

[timmcc02]

Originally Posted by SofaKingAwesome @WetzMS3; fuck you for making read through this AIDS infested thread. OP, put it back to bone stock, uninstall AP, and take it in. The worst that can happen is they say fuck you. Best case, you get some help. /thread for fuck's sake. Side note: If anyone asks you about the ECU state, say that after the failure, you disconnected the battery to see if that would help. There is no flash counter, however, everything will be in a not-ready state, and it will be obvious the ECU was recently reset. Play dumb and go with the battery excuse.

Have you ever used an IDS before? Do you even know what an IDS is?

[neganox]

Because I feel like using this in people's threads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc

[SofaKingAwesome]

Originally Posted by timmcc02 Have you ever used an IDS before? Do you even know what an IDS is?

IDS is the thing that makes you a faggot, right?

[Spec]

Originally Posted by SofaKingAwesome IDS is the thing that makes you a faggot, right?

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