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thems3driver 03-01-2014 09:34 AM

does the autotech HPFP reduce engine life?
 
Ok so i searched and didnt find a good enough answer so i figured it was worth a post. I received my Accesport a few days ago and have been monitoring the stock stage 0 so i learn more about the dynamics of the whole ECU. Plus i already read Abilors guide and a little of the ATR cheat sheet. I will be re reading the guide again soon as i just got my autotech internals delivered yesterday and they are waiting for spring for an install.

My question is, does replacing internals reduce engine life by much on these cars? This one is my DD and although i want to just go intake (soon) and race pipe (eventually) and end it there with a stratified tune, Mazdas have always been reliable in my book since my whole family has had mazdas since the 1993 mazda 323's. I want a fast car but also a car that won't quit on me cause i went asshole mode on the engine, hence the proper approach at the modding.... want the car to last me the next 5 to 6 years without ZZB.

After much reading here i've learned
Donate
AP (stage 0 you fuckin NOOB:rocketwhore:)
Internals (autotech less failure rate)
JBR RMM
Intake (CS + tip)

PS. I'm only reading the tuning guides to learn how to do the MAF calibration after the internals and intake and then get it properly stratified after race pipe.

Car is a Gen 2 with 20k on the clock and DD.

Mclovin80 03-01-2014 10:01 AM

The internals should not decrease engine life. With a good tune, light mods and proper maintenance you are enhancing your engine in my opinion. Factory settings are not always the most efficient and often are just for ease of mass production benefits to the average consumer who is not modifying at all. The MS3 engine is pretty damn reliable. Think of the internals as a life vest for your engine.

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WAMBUSHHHH! 03-01-2014 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thems3driver (Post 2475388)
Ok so i searched and didnt find a good enough answer so i figured it was worth a post. I received my Accesport a few days ago and have been monitoring the stock stage 0 so i learn more about the dynamics of the whole ECU. Plus i already read Abilors guide and a little of the ATR cheat sheet. I will be re reading the guide again soon as i just got my autotech internals delivered yesterday and they are waiting for spring for an install.

My question is, does replacing internals reduce engine life by much on these cars? This one is my DD and although i want to just go intake (soon) and race pipe (eventually) and end it there with a stratified tune, Mazdas have always been reliable in my book since my whole family has had mazdas since the 1993 mazda 323's. I want a fast car but also a car that won't quit on me cause i went asshole mode on the engine, hence the proper approach at the modding.... want the car to last me the next 5 to 6 years without ZZB.

After much reading here i've learned
Donate
AP (stage 0 you fuckin NOOB:rocketwhore:)
Internals (autotech less failure rate)
JBR RMM
Intake (CS + tip)

PS. I'm only reading the tuning guides to learn how to do the MAF calibration after the internals and intake and then get it properly stratified after race pipe.

Car is a Gen 2 with 20k on the clock and DD.

Nay, the only thing it does is prevent ZZB which will turn your engine's life to 0. At the end of the day, you're modding and with modding always comes the inherent risk of something going wrong. You're on the right path with your mods but no two cars are the same. Just properly maintain everything, keep a watchful eye on some parameters and you should be fine.

Voltron 03-01-2014 10:57 AM

People have popped bone stock motors. Just saying.

thems3driver 03-01-2014 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voltron Locos (Post 2475465)
People have popped bone stock motors. Just saying.

That's true. I've read a bit on it. I think I'm just overthinking shit. I have everything ready for this install and on this last step i felt like I didn't research about lifetime of the car once it gets modded that way. No other 2 cars r the same for sure and with winter here as shitty as it is gotta go easy on the car till spring.

WAMBUSHHHH! 03-01-2014 12:20 PM

a car's engine is just like a person..the timeline always reaches 0 at some point. What we choose to do with it directly affects how long we can stretch that timeline out...and then again sometimes it just ends for no god damn reason...only thing you can do is just try to do the right things and hope for the best..with that said, find a local NATOR and see if they can assist in your install..an experience d nator can get the internals in fairly easily..plus you get to meet some damn good people.

edit: grammar, i failed english...that's unpossible.

Domino81 03-04-2014 07:51 PM

The problem I have is that the probability of catastrophic failure only increases the higher the power level. And one of the 1st things you should do is replace internals. I don't personally see how a higher pressure atomization of the fuel charge would EVER hurt the longevity of the engine. I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive. To be honest, higher power levels, to be more specific, high amounts of low end tq are probably the hardest on the stock motor.
@rfinkle2; @atvfreek;

You guys can probably articulate it better than I can.

thems3driver 03-08-2014 09:49 AM

thanks for all the advise. I think its time to do things right and I'm gonna do it, no more second guessing shit. I might need to be looking into my local NATOR crew to assist me for the future installs tho.

Lex 03-08-2014 12:58 PM

With a good choice of parts, good tune, good maintenance, and sensible power numbers the car will last a long long time unless you're somehow unlucky. And in such a case the car can still fail stock. The biggest difference is that with stock cars it's easy to simply take it for warranty to cover that failure.

Engine failures were much more common in the past especially before tuning became mainstream. With the proper calibration and setup the car will be reliable. Having seen so many cars and setups if you have questions regarding this drop me a PM with your plans.

thems3driver 03-09-2014 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex (Post 2486838)
With a good choice of parts, good tune, good maintenance, and sensible power numbers the car will last a long long time unless you're somehow unlucky. And in such a case the car can still fail stock. The biggest difference is that with stock cars it's easy to simply take it for warranty to cover that failure.

Engine failures were much more common in the past especially before tuning became mainstream. With the proper calibration and setup the car will be reliable. Having seen so many cars and setups if you have questions regarding this drop me a PM with your plans.

Thanks @lex i appreciate the advise and you will be hearing from me when the parts are in. I also agree that unlucky would really ruin the day. But it is the risk to take, considering i dont want to go BT or overkill for that matter.

hamfisted 03-13-2014 01:32 PM

It may result in increased wear to the camshaft, but AFAIK the Mazda cam should be fine. Autotech includes a warning that some of the VW engines that use the kit need a TSB fix for weak cams before the upgrade can be installed.


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