Downshift, neutral coast, clutch in coast?

[TriO]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort ^^ this Usually I just apply brake, leaving vehicle in gear. Brakes are cheaper than clutches and yes fuel is not consumed if car is IN GEAR and still moving. What about THIS you guys? How many of you can drive without using the clutch? I mean you HAVE to to get moving in 1st but I've driven all the way to work, 10 miles in city traffic, without using the clutch except to get moving. If done properly you can get it grindless.

Too much effort and concentration... Especially on way to work fuck that

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by TriO Too much effort and concentration... Especially on way to work fuck that

Yeah its neither pleasant nor fun so I don't do it much. When I do, I skip gears.... 1st to 3rd to 5th is usually sufficient. Anyway, its nice to be able to do. One friend had an old 1985 Omni GLH Turbo and snapped the clutch cable. In his case he was able to use the starter to get moving in 1st and then upshift, driving all the way to the dealership without using the clutch at all.

[JDR767]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort ^^ this Usually I just apply brake, leaving vehicle in gear. Brakes are cheaper than clutches and yes fuel is not consumed if car is IN GEAR and still moving. What about THIS you guys? How many of you can drive without using the clutch? I mean you HAVE to to get moving in 1st but I've driven all the way to work, 10 miles in city traffic, without using the clutch except to get moving. If done properly you can get it grindless.

My F150 (may you rust in pieces) had major transmission issues right before i dumped it (3rd and sometimes 4th didnt exist being main issue). I learned the gearing so well i could shift without as if nothing was wrong.

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[Blackrider]

Originally Posted by chimmike lmao, how do you figure coasting in neutral shuts off the injectors? Ever look at your AFRs while coasting in neutral? Stoich. I.e., FUEL BEING INJECTED! How do you think the engine stays running, asshat? hopes and dreams? lmao.

I think you should look at a few logs then get back to us.

[Chimmike]

Originally Posted by Blackrider I think you should look at a few logs then get back to us.

When coasting in neutral, i.e. engine idling, AFR's target stoich, which means the engine is being fed fuel, that's the only way the engine would stay running. Think about it, it's common sense.

[Blackrider]

Originally Posted by chimmike When coasting in neutral, i.e. engine idling, AFR's target stoich, which means the engine is being fed fuel, that's the only way the engine would stay running. Think about it, it's common sense.

The momentum of the vehicle keeps the engine turning without fuel. If you would look at a data log you'll see the O2 isn't reading 1 lambda, it sticks on 28.X and the injectors shut off. I'll be back with proof later.

[Keko]

Originally Posted by Blackrider The momentum of the vehicle keeps the engine turning without fuel. If you would look at a data log you'll see the O2 isn't reading 1 lambda, it sticks on 28.X and the injectors shut off. I'll be back with proof later.

How exactly is the momentum turning the engine when it's in neutral?

[TexasSpeed3]

^^^ this. haha thats why you leave it in gear then what you said is true... kinda

[Blackrider]

Originally Posted by Keko How exactly is the momentum turning the engine when it's in neutral?

Bahhh, I really need to slow down when reading shit. I thought @chimmike was arguing decelerating in gear doesn't shut off the injectors, then when he responded I naturally though he was arguing his point (which I was confused on) even when he restated it.

Decelerating in neutral = fuel being consumed
Decelerating in gear = no fuel being consumed (injectors off)

reading fail! I even went and decelerated in gear while logging it! lol

[Keko]

Originally Posted by Blackrider Bahhh, I really need to slow down when reading shit. I thought @chimmike was arguing decelerating in gear doesn't shut off the injectors, then when he responded I naturally though he was arguing his point (which I was confused on) even when he restated it. Decelerating in neutral = fuel being consumed Decelerating in gear = no fuel being consumed (injectors off) reading fail! I even went and decelerated in gear while logging it! lol

Heh, I figured something was up. I was really hoping you didn't believe that

[ricknm]

I open the door and drag my foot along to stop.