is fuel pump upgrade necessary for light bolt on?

[dhsieh911018]

just want to know that if an fuel pump internal is essential for gen 2 with light bolt on. Just SURE SRI and Corksport exhaust. I've read most of the threads abt fuel pumps and it looks like i'll definitely need one in the future but currently I only have budget for an intake and exhaust. Will the gen 2 run fine with SRI and aftermarket cat back exhaust only?? thanks for the replies!

[BobbleHead]

spend the money on an AP or you will never know

[bayarea_pat]

[dhsieh911018]

Originally Posted by black07spd spend the money on an AP or you will never know

that's actually the part of the question, with an AP im sure i will need an upgrade on the pump, but how abt without?

[Seaton]

well unless you can monitor your FP your not going to know. so you need something to monitor it, being the AP.

[xtasy]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 that's actually the part of the question, with an AP im sure i will need an upgrade on the pump, but how abt without?

uh no.. you can use stock map with cobb AP, then monitor your fuel pump.

[dhsieh911018]

oh i c, for that purpose maybe the ultraguage is a more economical solution? is there anybody with an experience with just SRI and exhaust installed? instead of just having me just try it and see what happens.

[BobbleHead]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 oh i c, for that purpose maybe the ultraguage is a more economical solution? is there anybody with an experience with just SRI and exhaust installed? instead of just having me just try it and see what happens.

if you're going to mod, you'll need the AP anyway. If I knew what I'm learning now, it would've been my first mod.

[dantes5823]

I'm thinking it'll be fine. I had an ultra gauge. Yea it's cheap and it monitors. But it has a lag. It's a live feed but delayed. So while your wot and it's showing your 1700 whatever. If you dip for a split second it might miss it. And you can't log. And going wot looking at the screen is a little fail. Ap won't force internals I think. Stage 0 map and have at it.

[SWAY]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 just want to know that if an fuel pump internal is essential for gen 2 with light bolt on. Just SURE SRI and Corksport exhaust. I've read most of the threads abt fuel pumps and it looks like i'll definitely need one in the future but currently I only have budget for an intake and exhaust. Will the gen 2 run fine with SRI and aftermarket cat back exhaust only?? thanks for the replies!

Have you not searched these questions have been answered many times, now we can add this with the other 500 threads asking same fucking question.

[Speedin]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 oh i c, for that purpose maybe the ultraguage is a more economical solution? is there anybody with an experience with just SRI and exhaust installed? instead of just having me just try it and see what happens.

I had just a corksport sri and cbe and my fuel pump looked ok but it was border line... do yourself a favor and get the ap and internals first! You wont be sorry!

[Seaton]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 for that purpose maybe the ultraguage is a more economical solution?

Not if you end up with an AP down the line anyway, and trust me, you will.
For us over here in Australia, its only in Alpha testing now as we speak, It wasnt available to us when my car was Ecutek tuned over a year ago. Oh i wish it was, my Ecutek tune cost $1500,(that is cheap for a full pro tune here) then around $500 if i change any mods like to a FMIC down the line for retune, where the AP is a fraction of that cost with great support and many more features. Plus it will datalog everything you need. do it right the first time. Worst case you dont want the AP, you wont lose much on the sale of it anyway.

[evilgrin]

U guys are way too fukn soft on noobs! I have'nt asked a single question (especially an ignorant one) I've just read and researched and I pretty much know what I need to know to do what I need to do to my car. Not saying I could'nt possibly need a little "micro-tuning" help down the road, but I have a firm grasp on the fudamentals. I'm gonna donate as well, so don't call me a fukn brownie either! Sorry for the rant, I just think some guys should'nt even be trying to mod their cars without some serious remedial 101 fundamentals type shits. I'm done.

[Dmurray06]

Shut it brownie fag!

[DISIindahead]

Sometimes you just got to let the noobs learn the hard way. OP, only way to monitor fuel pressure accurately is Accessport. Why chance it with an intake and exhaust? Put that money towards an AP. Take our advice or don't, just don't come crying and bitching when your shit blows up, because all I'm gonna do is call you an idiot and laugh at you.


Sent from my Etch a Sketch

[deadlandxtreme]

Haha!
The joy of NOOB BOOM. I got input and was stupid enough to ignore it. I blew it, and now learning to be more patient and learning that power mods are like crack..getting that next fix is possible, but I have to double check and re-read all enough before bolting.

[Jake5713]

Fucking dumbass
Can we have a mod just close this useless thread?


-Jake

[dhsieh911018]

thanks to the guys who are willing to actually answer the question!!

and...yes i did searched and i do know there are millions of threads talking abt fuel pumps but none of them addresses my question directly:

"Will the gen2 stock pump be ok with just SRI and cbe?"

and while i was utilizing the search function and looking over the threads, all i see is the same thing where people just tell them to go search and how stupid they are...... trust me if i didn't even search, instead of this i'll probably ask what a hpfp is... and then that would be a really stupid question......

[Boost Addict]

Skip the exhaust, no power with that mod anyways

[mswierse]

Originally Posted by DISIindahead OP, only way to monitor fuel pressure accurately is Accessport. Sent from my Etch a Sketch

Why is AP only accurate way? Has Torque been shown to be wrong? I currently use Torque and can log fuel rail pressure. I will get an AP soon, but can't beat Torque for $30.

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[btstarcher]

Why waste money on exhaust? Use that money to buy an AP...

[dhsieh911018]

Originally Posted by btstarcher Why waste money on exhaust? Use that money to buy an AP...

to satisfy the inner rice of me hahahahha


yeah for the power the ap is the way to go..... according to corksport the cbe does give you +15 hp or sth like that tho

[btstarcher]

Not even close...CBE nets almost no usable HP.

[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 thanks to the guys who are willing to actually answer the question!! and...yes i did searched and i do know there are millions of threads talking abt fuel pumps but none of them addresses my question directly: "Will the gen2 stock pump be ok with just SRI and cbe?" and while i was utilizing the search function and looking over the threads, all i see is the same thing where people just tell them to go search and how stupid they are...... trust me if i didn't even search, instead of this i'll probably ask what a hpfp is... and then that would be a really stupid question......

Yes they have answered your question directly. Since a CBE doesn't give you any gains except for noise it would have nothing to do with your fuel pump internals. And since you read you would see that a SRI will or won't cause your fuel pressure to be at a safe level. It's hit or miss with these cars. I decided to go with a SRI and TIP before doing anything else and will be going with fuel pump internals for my next mod no questions asked. By a set of quality internals, install them correctly, break them in, and then save up for an AP. you won't be able to know exactly what your pressure is until you get an AP but with the new internals and your basic SRI, at least you know it is safe for awhile. That was me being nice. Next time don't come on here bullshitting about you read and never got your answer because that's a fucking lie. Read some more. And then read again. And just when you feel like you should post a new thread, read again.

[btstarcher]

Originally Posted by mswierse Why is AP only accurate way? Has Torque been shown to be wrong? I currently use Torque and can log fuel rail pressure. I will get an AP soon, but can't beat Torque for $30. Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

Torque is OK...but as I said previously, if you're willing to spend the $$ for a CBE, that money would be more wisely spent on an AP.

[rghispanic88]

You must be fucking stupid

it has been discussed hundreds of time that some vehicles with just a SRI have fuel pump failures.

exhaust nets you maybe 0-5hp. an AP will give you a lot more than that and if you tune for it (which i doubt you ever will) you will be happy.

[dhsieh911018]

Originally Posted by GODspeed7 Yes they have answered your question directly. Since a CBE doesn't give you any gains except for noise it would have nothing to do with your fuel pump internals. And since you read you would see that a SRI will or won't cause your fuel pressure to be at a safe level. It's hit or miss with these cars. I decided to go with a SRI and TIP before doing anything else and will be going with fuel pump internals for my next mod no questions asked. By a set of quality internals, install them correctly, break them in, and then save up for an AP. you won't be able to know exactly what your pressure is until you get an AP but with the new internals and your basic SRI, at least you know it is safe for awhile. That was me being nice. Next time don't come on here bullshitting about you read and never got your answer because that's a fucking lie. Read some more. And then read again. And just when you feel like you should post a new thread, read again.

thank you for answering the question with nice and warm suggestions.

and no, that's not a fucking lie nor bs, it's the truth.

Originally Posted by rghispanic88 You must be fucking stupid it has been discussed hundreds of time that some vehicles with just a SRI have fuel pump failures. exhaust nets you maybe 0-5hp. an AP will give you a lot more than that and if you tune for it (which i doubt you ever will) you will be happy.

your right, i wont get a tune for it.

you are a very well mannered person, you're family must be very proud of you

[Onelovesoccer]

OP, this question has absolutely been asked before. so don't get annoyed with the people giving you shit...

in case you haven't heard it enough, skip the CBE. spend the money on an AP. you can run their stage 1 OTS maps just fine. and if shit starts failing, you'll know because you'll be logging. the Cobb website specifically says what you can and can't run on those OTS maps. i'd also just get a TIP since you are doing the SRI.

[rghispanic88]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 thank you for answering the question with nice and warm suggestions. and no, that's not a fucking lie nor bs, it's the truth. your right, i wont get a tune for it. you are a very well mannered person, you're family must be very proud of you

well in that case

mazdas247 is ---------->

[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by dhsieh911018 thank you for answering the question with nice and warm suggestions. and no, that's not a fucking lie nor bs, it's the truth. your right, i wont get a tune for it. you are a very well mannered person, you're family must be very proud of you

I pick up on sarcasm very well. I did answer your question and even suggested future paths as well. I have donated to this forum and have answered repeated questions multiple times by people who haven't donated. Forgive me if I offended you but your question is like asking "if I play with fire will I get burnt" the answer is sometimes you will sometimes you won't. It just depends on the user. You know there is a risk involved and you know what steps to take to prevent it. But good luck and install your SRI without worries and save your CBE money for internals instead. Also might want to get some thicker skin and\or a flame suit if you plan on sticking around.

[bigriver]

OP - you are just looking for someone to agree with you. No one will because we are all passionate about our cars and the collective experience here is that FP is a top priority which needs to be monitored. No sense wasting your money on an intake if you arent serious about FP. Plus your car is gonna feel slower off the line on a stock tune, then you'll be looking to get an AP anyway. Been there, done that. If you even read the sticky on getting to know your speed, you wouldnt have started this thread. So everyone knows you really didnt your homework.

[dizzydtrain]

@dhsieh911018, definitely get an exhaust first. It's the only mod you will need and power is really noticeable. These guys clearly don't know what they are talking about when they say AP or Torque--this car has plenty of torque, no need for more.

[deadlandxtreme]

Originally Posted by dizzydtrain @dhsieh911018, definitely get an exhaust first. It's the only mod you will need and power is really noticeable. These guys clearly don't know what they are talking about when they say AP or Torque--this car has plenty of torque, no need for more.

Well said sir!

[ASHMS3]

Get an AP, or don't we don't care. Your question has been answered, now run along and go play in traffic.

[J-Liss]

get internals or start looking for a spare motor.


/thread.

[DownSideFX]

I ran a Corksport Race pipe and SRI with the inlet pipe and had no issues for almost a year. Just got the AP so I'll take a look at how my fuel pressure has been looking. I think honestly you'd be OK, to be safe you'd want to get the internals but I'd be very surprised if everything went immediately downhill for you right after adding those 2 mods.

[Boost Addict]

Originally Posted by DownSideFX I ran a Corksport Race pipe and SRI with the inlet pipe and had no issues for almost a year. Just got the AP so I'll take a look at how my fuel pressure has been looking. I think honestly you'd be OK, to be safe you'd want to get the internals but I'd be very surprised if everything went immediately downhill for you right after adding those 2 mods.

Wouldn't be to surprised if your fuel pressure is low, GenPu's factory pump internals dont seem to hold the same as the Gen1 stock internals. There have been plenty of threads from GenPu owners with just an intake that are having FP problems.

[J_Logik]

OP Many have given you sound advice on what to do, but it doesn't seem to be sinking in, so perhaps I can spell it out in a different manner, so that it makes more sense.

What you want:

SRI + CBE = mazda24/7 "cool sounds bro, must be fast becuase racecar"

What MSF recommends

SRI + (optional TIP) + AP + HPFP = properly monitored and regulated FASTER, safer car with further help from experienced tuners down the road

or in an even simpler way.....

$200 + ~$700 (for no power gain)= sound and most likely zoom zoom boom and no girls

or

$200 + $500+ $350 = "Wrexx in Effect => zoom zoom and the poom poom" on a stable car!!

Capiche???

[Elusivellama]

You would gamble your engine on a $350 part that's known to be barely adequate as it is? That's the question I asked myself.

[ASHMS3]

Deadland's blown motor thread shuold be a sticky at the top of Genpu section so we have a place to point these guys when they ask why they need internals. Or, we can just start letting them go ZZB and laugh at the carnage.