Gain with just an AP

[doctavus]

Don't worry I searched Found a few stock dyno sheets but none with just an AP.

I really don't think I'm going to go crazy with my speed3 but I thought about going to Cobb in Plano this weekend and picking up an AP. I am curious roughly how much hp I should get, the site does tell you, but I wanted to see from the people that have them or been around them.

This would be using the Stage 1 map.

The main thing I want fixed is:

I hate the lack of boost in 1-3 gears, does the AP get rid of that?

[zpele]

Originally Posted by doctavus Don't worry I searched Found a few stock dyno sheets but none with just an AP. I really don't think I'm going to go crazy with my speed3 but I thought about going to Cobb in Plano this weekend and picking up an AP. I am curious roughly how much hp I should get, the site does tell you, but I wanted to see from the people that have them or been around them. This would be using the Stage 1 map. The main thing I want fixed is: I hate the lack of boost in 1-3 gears, does the AP get rid of that?

First- since your stock you would have to stay with the stage 0 map.

Second- I'm not sure if the AP gets rid of the lack of boost in 1-3. It is there because of your fail wheel drive.

Third- Do more research. You aren't even close to knowing what's going on and there is still plenty to learn.

[CWP_MS3]

Originally Posted by zpele Second- I'm not sure if the AP gets rid of the lack of boost in 1-3. It is there because of your fail wheel drive.

LMFAO... That's not nice.

[Phoenix]

I have a tread in the dyno results section where I did a stock run, a run with the AP and a run tweaking the Cobb map. I bought my AP from the Plano location as well.

[TulsaVR93FD]

I've been running my AP on stage 0 since I haven't had money to set aside for parts. The car does gain more, nothing like it would with an intake and OTS map, but its still a little more, plus its the foundation for every other mod for these cars. That and upgraded fuel delivery. Like other said, it would benefit you greatly to research this platform. When I first got this car at the end of 09 I had gotten a dp and then an AP by 2010. In 2011 my turbo blew its seals after a couple thousand miles. Luckily I was still under warranty and stocked out...

Anyways, grab that AP and pick up a Sri intake while you're there, only 175 more bones and will deliver the gains you probably want.

[doctavus]

Thanks Phoenix, I saw it now.

Yeah I read everything and know the path but just wanted to see what just an AP does, doesn't look like much, so guess I will get an intake too.

So it doesn't fix the limited boost in 1-3?

[Zoomspeed]

Yeah I think it does I don't feel it anymore

[ABSpeed3]

You can effectively control boost by gear with load tuning, but that's a little bit over your head at this point.

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[jack_hammer]

it will do what you want, plus about a million times more. if you're just wanting rid of that, you could look at the hypertech for significantly less.

[Lex]

A proper tune for this car will get you more bang for the buck than any other bolt on modification at any current level of modification and the same applies to otherwise stock cars.

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by doctavus i hate the lack of boost in 1-3 gears, does the AP get rid of that?

Not on stage0. If you open stage0 map in atr u will notice the option for "boost tuning" is not checked, therefore it is using load tuning. Then if you look at the app translation tables (or is it the boost tables?) you'll see the limits in gears 1, 2, and 3. Without an intake what you could do is open the stage0 map in atr, make the values in the aforementioned tables 100%, and then flash the map to the car's ECU.

[crtguns]

There's no boost for 3rd gear? I thought it was just limited in 1st and 2nd.

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by crtguns There's no boost for 3rd gear? I thought it was just limited in 1st and 2nd.

Lemme verify in atr real quick...

[Payne Racing 67]

Only 1&2 are limited 3 is 15.6

[fortressofcomfort]

Stage 0 with stock intake keeps the boost/throttle limiters. Even in third gear, although it is slight. See pics.

Stage 1, even with stock intake, has the boost/throttle limiters completely removed (all values in the pics for that map are 1.0)

[CornBread]

can you run the stage 1 tune with a completely stock car?

[econman]

Originally Posted by CornBread can you run the stage 1 tune with a completely stock car?

Yup, you sure can. I've been running the stage 1 93 tune for two months now on my stock car.

[AegisKlein]

My suggestion (take if for what it's worth): I would start with an intake and a RMM.

If you still have the MOD bug, then consider an HPFP and buy an AP at the same time.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Currently I'm running Stage1 93 with an Aeros intake. Feels much stronger than stock. Waiting for the HPFP internals to come out of back-order from StreetUnit to install my Cobb Downpipe I've had sitting here for a few weeks!

Curious to see what it feels like with Stage2.

Originally Posted by AegisKlein My suggestion (take if for what it's worth): I would start with an intake and a RMM. If you still have the MOD bug, then consider an HPFP and buy an AP at the same time.

Very sage advice. The two practically "must-haves" for the MS3 platform are an intake and RMM. While the Cobb AP is integral in getting the most out of your mods, and down the line going further- it's far from the biggest bang for the buck mod.

Another excellent mod (while not for power) would be a short-shifter plate, anchors, and a weighted shift-knob. Obviously does nothing towards making the car faster but sure does make it a lot more fun to drive.

[radioflyer]

What does 93 octane cost you guys? I can mix 100 and 91 out here but it costs like 20 or 30 bucks more per tank - I haven't calculated the mixture and prices in a while but its something like that.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by radioflyer What does 93 octane cost you guys? I can mix 100 and 91 out here but it costs like 20 or 30 bucks more per tank - I haven't calculated the mixture and prices in a while but its something like that.

Right now in NJ it's about 3.80/gal

[doctavus]

Over $4 here in Texas now, /sigh

[bigriver]

Originally Posted by Lex A proper tune for this car will get you more bang for the buck than any other bolt on modification at any current level of modification and the same applies to otherwise stock cars.

^^THIS

AP and custom tune. Maybe rmm upgrade and fuel pump internals if needed.

I'm seeing the benefit of a custom tune with my de-mod back to stock air box.

[Bosox]

I wish I could get a gallon of gas for $3.80/gal. Hell I wish I could get 93 octane. 4.65/gal for 91 in the People's Republic of California.

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by bigriver I'm seeing the benefit of a custom tune with my de-mod back to stock air box.

versus what? You aren't implying the stock air box is ok, are you? Please elaborate.

[CWP_MS3]

Originally Posted by Bosox I wish I could get a gallon of gas for $3.80/gal. Hell I wish I could get 93 octane. 4.65/gal for 91 in the People's Republic of California.

Damn that's expensive. I paid 4.21 for 93 yesterday.

[Onelovesoccer]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ho-Tep While the Cobb AP is integral in getting the most out of your mods, and down the line going further- it's far from the biggest bang for the buck mod.

Not. True.

The AP is absolutely the biggest bang for your buck. Every other power mod is inefficient or dangerous (e.g. DP, TP, etc.) until you have an AP. The stock tune is so conservative that even getting a OTS map is a wonderful change. Add in the fact that you can tune for specific parts and get yourself a custom e-tune, and it's absolutely the best mod. just look at what @Bucker was able to get out of a stock car with just an AP. on top of that, you can monitor what is going on with your car. that alone makes it worth it. knowing your FP and KR is so important.

IMO, internals, an AP, intake and RMM are must haves. But an AP and internals are the most important.

[bigriver]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort versus what? You aren't implying the stock air box is ok, are you? Please elaborate.

Not saying its better than intake but you can get nice gains with custom tune. Here is a vd of my stock airbox/dp tune (other mods in my sig) that is still in progress. I'll get a real dyno when its done. Also, this tune is relatively conservative with target boost of 19 tapering to 16 at redline and target afr of 11.2.



Here is a vd of my tune with cpe nano/tip and stock dp. Tune wasnt 100% complete but this was after 4 revisions.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by Onelovesoccer Not. True. The AP is absolutely the biggest bang for your buck. Every other power mod is inefficient or dangerous (e.g. DP, TP, etc.) until you have an AP. The stock tune is so conservative that even getting a OTS map is a wonderful change. Add in the fact that you can tune for specific parts and get yourself a custom e-tune, and it's absolutely the best mod. just look at what @Bucker was able to get out of a stock car with just an AP. on top of that, you can monitor what is going on with your car. that alone makes it worth it. knowing your FP and KR is so important. IMO, internals, an AP, intake and RMM are must haves. But an AP and internals are the most important.

Best bang for the buck mod= Intake.

[Onelovesoccer]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ho-Tep Best bang for the buck mod= Intake.

I disagree 100%. And my first mod was an intake.

[jordan11b]

Originally Posted by Bosox I wish I could get a gallon of gas for $3.80/gal. Hell I wish I could get 93 octane. 4.65/gal for 91 in the People's Republic of California.

I'm suprised jersey has cheaper gasthan us here in louisiana 4.65 Fuck that. I filled up yesterday off base for 4.06 for 93. Ethenol is even like 2.50 or so. Im starting to like all the gas stations everywhere now tho. theres like 6

[Pseud0logik]

I used to go back and forth between stage1+SRI (daily) and stage0+stock intake (autox stock class) and the difference was dramatic. A couple of times I got lazy and left the stock intake on the car and just flashed the stage1 tune. I love how quick and stealthy the car is with just a tune. @Bucker was able to get 40+ whp out of just a tune on an otherwise stock car. Tune>intake no question.

Best bang for the buck mods: AP, RMM, RSB. Completely transforms the car for under $1k.

[Bosox]

Originally Posted by jordan11b I'm suprised jersey has cheaper gasthan us here in louisiana 4.65 Fuck that. I filled up yesterday off base for 4.06 for 93. Ethenol is even like 2.50 or so. Im starting to like all the gas stations everywhere now tho. theres like 6

When I was stationed at the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center we could buy gas on base for $0.74/gallon while people off base were paying over $2.00/gallon.

[Darth_Nuruodo]

Just north of Houston, picking 93 up for ~$3.9x / gallon.

[makjur]

Originally Posted by bigriver Not saying its better than intake but you can get nice gains with custom tune.

Just wondering, why did u decide to go back to stock air box?

[zpele]

Why are we even discussing this useless shit?

Brownies with no experience are trying to tell us that gearheads and knowledgeable people dont know what they are talking about?

AP is the single largest gain over any mod...

[TexasSpeed3]

^^ he speaks the truth

[IPuOnU]

Originally Posted by zpele Why are we even discussing this useless shit? Brownies with no experience are trying to tell us that gearheads and knowledgeable people dont know what they are talking about? AP is the single largest gain over any mod...

But I thought HID's got me mad horsepower?

[bigriver]

Originally Posted by gitarpik Just wondering, why did u decide to go back to stock air box?

Mostly intellectual curiousity and seeing what can be done with a custom tune since by FAR, the AP is the biggest bang for the buck. Bucker got some nice results with tuning the stock setup and Rob told me he ran the stock air box for a long time. So far we've gotten good results so its been fun.

[makjur]

Originally Posted by bigriver Mostly intellectual curiousity and seeing what can be done with a custom tune since by FAR, the AP is the biggest bang for the buck. Bucker got some nice results with tuning the stock setup and Rob told me he ran the stock air box for a long time. So far we've gotten good results so its been fun.

Right on, just wondering since I'm planning on getting a bunch of shit all at once come june...
AP, internals, CS SRI/tip, JBR rmm, and good boost gauge