Gen 2 vs. 2015 wrx
 

So time to talk about a street race that i had vs a 2015 WRX. So i am not a bad street racer i have had some wins and some losses. But this lose is bothering me. How can a 2015 WRX beat my car with all the current mods I have.We did a 60 mph and we did one at the light. I know i am not tuned yet, but I will be in 2 weeks. He pulled 3 car length at 60 mph. How is that possible? Is it really my tune? I have destroyed WRX and STI in my 400 WHP EK Hatch. Can i get some tips or what i need for more upgrades?

Thanks in advance.

how the fuck have you invested that much in mods without a tune, either you're retarded or we have failed you as a community by not emphasizing the importance of a tune on this platform

Open up your exhaust a little with a RP etc, and get the tune. No more lose.

get tuned, fuck bitches.

I am mostly stock and I have killed many WRX's. A driver mod might be a good starting point.


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O i love the feedback. I have been out of the country for the last 8 months getting rockets shot at me. I did all my upgrades 3 weeks ago and have been waiting for my slot to come up to get my speed tuned. So that is why i havent got a tune. But thanks for the flame i needed it to let me know what i already knew. So the question still stands how does the WRX with lower torque and hp pull on me like that? I just want a real answer. Thanks.

Honestly you should have beat him or been neck and neck. So its either a driver mod issue, not having a tune might be actually causing you to lose power, or the WRX was modded (not sure if you know him or asked, etc.).

It puts out the same HP as our cars unless its the STI then its around 300. But loses a good bit cause of the AWD and at 60mph awd doesnt come into play. So either way you should have atleast kept up with him.

Im going to assume running the stock tune having mods might be fucking with your performance.

It was a WRX i am not sure about his mods. But i know my tune plays a huge roll. I cant wait tell im tuned. Thanks for answering my question. I will post my logs before and after my tune.

that wasn't exactly an insult. at least not from me. were you friends with the wrx owner? were you aware of their current mod level? maybe they were decked out. otherwise it's tough to say why he'd pull on you like that when you're just essentially flooring it from a roll. unless you lost some ground during a shift, then it's likely you needing a tune. the goal is to make all those expensive toys work in unison.

@coasttime; after you are tuned you will blow his doors off the next time you see him. You have a nice mod list.


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I don't know why you included my post in the responses that apparently hurt your butt. It was a sincere response, and was delivered politely.

So now I will say how I really feel. Either you drive like shit, or the WRX was modified to a degree that it enabled that vehicle to drag you down the street. Perhaps your modification path isn't doing well for you. My racepipe helped quite a bit. I am still waiting to get tuned as well, because I want to get a full 3" intake first, but I doubt I would have lost that race.

I appreciate you service, though.

I'm also heavily modded with no real tune except the Cobb maps that were built around CS mods. Don't let this loss get you down, once you get tuned it will be a different story.

I am running a 3" cs exhaust all the way back from the turbo. So i dont need a race pipe right? There is one thing that has been goining on with my car it bogs bad when i am mashing the gas; i think that has alot to do with my tune. Also i loose power around 5500 rpms. Also think that has alot to do with my tune. Damn i cant wait to get this tune done! Who did you tune with? Etune through freektune, stratisfied or dyno?

Thank you all for your comments. Its is also my pleasure to serve in the Air Force to help everyone keep their freedom.

Nope, no racepipe since you're TBE


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Didn't see the exhaust in your sig. Wow, yea should be able to pull the WRX. Like I mentioned I am not tuned yet, waiting to get a new intake first, so I don't have to retune after I get it done.

I will probably go with freek, but you can't go wrong with either of those you listed, based on others reviews.

Good luck, maybe an ots+ map from one of them will get you by until you get a full tune.

freektune and stratified are both awesome. i went with freektune. you can't lose either way. that turbo lag and top end power loss (this is also due to the limitations of the k04) is definitely due to the tune. with a tune you will spool faster and pull harder more consistently through the powerband. if you dyno tune with someone, make sure you go with someone who is familiar with the platform and the disi engine. i highly recommend e-tuning tho; just make sure you have a flat, open, unoccupied area you can safely go fast in.

Lol turbo lag on k04, never experienced that.

it spools insanely fast, but i remember when i was bone stock i would mash on it in certain situations and there would be a (very brief) delay. i can only imagine after flow mods and not being tuned it may be more pronounced.

Lol...yeah mazda went dirt cheap on almost every component. I will be upgrading to corksports blot on turbo. That k04 is shit! I was going to get a ots last week but i did not think it was worth it if i was tuning in 2 weeks. Also does your speed backfire after alk your mods before your tune, because mine does. It does not happen a lot just when i am mashing the gas.

yeah it will pop off like that once you open up the exhaust without being dialed in. a good tune will clean that up.

Are you on a stock tune? If so I can only begin to imagine the cataclysmic bad day your ECU is having trying to dilute all that extra flow it's metering. Makes me almost as squeamish as watching a virgin having her couch pounded by a 12x3 whale pecker.

Fully bolted, presumably spraying meth according to your sig and untuned....You've been a member since 2012 and you don't know why your speed is running like garbage? The stock tune is already pig-rich and if your spraying meth on top of it you're probably running damn 8-9 afr's of course your shit if bogging and afterfiring.

If you have the AP already flash a Cobb OTS map until you get etuned. It doesn't cost you anything and at least that way your ECU will have a hope and a prayer of knowing wtf is going on.

I have a feeling you work for CP-E and have been saying that every since you got the AP. I can't believe someone is that stupid to do all those mods, and think the stock tune is going to handle that well.

There is a subforum for street racing and this isn't it.

You've got a couple grand in mods and won't spent $50-75 to get an OTS e-tune until you get a full one...WTF? I sure hope you are on at least a Cobb OTS stage 2 map.

Troll...

Really.... rockets shot at YOU. Can't believe you went there.... Welcome to 14 yrs of GWOT

As everyone else has already said... mods with no tune.... don't expect to beat much. You have either not read a thing since you have been on MSF or are trolling, if the latter.... here's to dodging rockets chairforce.... :rocketwhore: :)

Why? I mean at the end of the day who gives a shit about whether you lost in an illegal street race where the only skill involved is pushing down the gas pedal faster than the other guy?

I'm honestly a little surprised people are giving you nice, honest answers trying to help you out, even after you getting butthurt about people telling you that you need a tune.

Running a stock tune on a larger intake and maf housing. Dude is ignorantly driving around a car on the brink of limp mode obvlivious to the fact he may end up with a few rods in his lap. Losing to a WRX is about to be the least of his worries.

In for part out when motor blows

If you are spraying methanol, which I assume you are, you may very well be affecting more than just BATs, especially on the stock tune. Adding fuel to an already exceedingly rich tune will cause power outputs to drop-off dramatically.

Also, methanol has a much faster flame speed than gasoline, so without proper adjustments to your tune, you will undoubtedly be down on power.

What size nozzle? And when do you start injecting?

I ran an sri/tip/rp untuned and got about 12 mpg and struggled with stock srt-4s. Tuned, 30mpg highway and bus lengths between me and those ugly ass front ends. 2015 WRX's? Favorite things to pick on now, they think they're hot shit. Get a tune, you have an AP. The AP is the most expensive part. And don't pull the military card, at this point about 90% of people you talk to will have first hand experience or family experience.

running meth and stock or ots tune that thing must be richer then Uncle McScruge

Twin D09's, sprays at idle to make sure BAT's never rise in the first place. :dance:

OP fails at pretty much everything

@OP, your car with those mods is slower or maybe on the same level as a stock car. Because:
- WMI + stock fuelling tables and stock timing tables = at least 10whp less;
- Colder plugs + stock timing tables = 10whp less.
- You may gain back like 5-10bhp with your intake and exhaust mods, but I'm not sure because you loose them back with your FMIC and factory WGDG tables.
= the SUM of these equals FAIL.

Given the fact that a 2014-2015 WRX is about the same weight as a MS3 but higher on power than your car (the lower transmission loses advantage on a FWD are gone with your power DeMods) the result you experienced is what one should expect. Because on the 60 roll up to 110 you should have destroyed that WRX.

Even with a tune, the new WRX's are fast. I've raced 2, but both were protuned and I'm not certain of E85 or not.

One was making 320-325/350tq if my memory serves me correctly. He lost, but not by much. A few cars maybe. Their gearing is pretty dope.

The other tries to play the ignorant card and tell me he's not sure how much he makes. On my e85 map, we were door to door in 3rd but with the way things were going he was about to get pulled. It was a super short pull. However, when I was on my 93 map and we had room, he walked on me 2x. Granted my power is dialed back in 3rd for traction on both maps and my 93 map isn't very aggressive to begin with.

I'm actively seeking a rematch on E85 where I have room to stretch my legs a bit more.

@CWP_MS3;
He must have been pretty worked. I ran one when I was stock and he was stage 2 tuned and every time I would jump out on him then he would pull me in and pass me but not by much 40-90 he pulled about 1-2 cars. With either my 93 or E map I am sure I would have walked him badly.

Shut up.

You would have, and @CWP_MS3; would have too on his E85 map even with 3rd gear limited. I raced a 15 WRX about three weeks ago, from a dig at a stoplight and then from a 40 roll. Was around three car lengths ahead by 60mph from a dig, and from the 40 roll I was a couple bus lengths ahead by 100. No idea if he was modded, but I was on my E85 map.