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BigRedSpecial 06-21-2013 05:50 PM

Gotta agree with @Haltech; lol @ service manager knowing shit.

Only thing I have to contribute is when they were first bombarding us with info on the Skyactives, one of the press releases mentioned three future engines; Skyactive-G, -D, and -P. Seeing how the 'G' is Gas and 'D' is diesel, what would the 'P' be? Performance maybe?

Of course I haven't heard anything about the 'P' since so it could have all just been a fuckup, but I can't see them going forward with two sub-180hp fours and a conventional six.

Nliiitend1 06-21-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedSpecial (Post 2124906)
Gotta agree with @Haltech; lol @ service manager knowing shit.

Only thing I have to contribute is when they were first bombarding us with info on the Skyactives, one of the press releases mentioned three future engines; Skyactive-G, -D, and -P. Seeing how the 'G' is Gas and 'D' is diesel, what would the 'P' be? Performance maybe?

Of course I haven't heard anything about the 'P' since so it could have all just been a fuckup, but I can't see them going forward with two sub-180hp fours and a conventional six.

Propane.


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dubtastic 06-21-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by motherfnmonsta (Post 2123245)

And your service manager is wrong. The DSM came by today, and we talked a little. The picture of the 3 that is up above is a early shot, he said there are a few changes to it. He also said they are going to tweek the looks of the 6 some.

Mazda is not giving up on the mazdaspeed brand at all. Right now there focus is volume, they want more then 2% of the us market, and the only way right now is to focus on the cars that will sell volume.

He said we will see another mazdaspeed3 and even a possible mazdaspeed6.

I also got this little bit info to share to.

To: All Mazda Dealers

Subject: #gamechanger Reveal

Mazda North American Operations and Xbox Live proudly present a special world-premiere unveiling of an all-new Mazda vehicle on Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 9 p.m. EDT. Be among the first to see this car prior to its on-sale date and catch a live concert following the reveal if you have the ability to stream it.

The reveal will take place at Center548 in the Chelsea neighborhood of New York. During the event, Derek Jenkins (Director, Mazda Design) and Tim Barnes (Director, Product Planning) will speak about Mazda’s rich design history and iconic vehicles leading up to the unveiling of this latest #gamechanger . To help generate buzz on this all-new vehicle, don’t forget to use the hash tag below in your social media blasts.

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Following the reveal, our special musical guest, METRIC, will perform so be sure to stream the concert on Xbox Live. If you miss it live, we will have recorded highlights of the reveal and musical performance available on MazdaUSA.com on June 28th.

Best,

Russell Wager

Vice President, Marketing

Mazda North American Operations

If he mentioned a mazda6 refresh and mazdaspeed 3 in the same breathe, that leads me to believe we are looking at about two years from now for a speed3. The miata is going through a major change so I can't see the a speed version appearing anytime soon. If they wanted more power from the 6 then they could just use the 3.7 from the cx-9. The use of diesel technology in the touring cars does intrigue me. A company such as Mazda is not going to spend heaps of money on such a platform unless they plan on using it. That would give some rise to the rumors of a speed3 or speed6 being diesel. These are exciting times!

Haltech 06-21-2013 06:36 PM

I expect Mazda to repeat... IF a speed6 comes out, it will be first.. followed by a Speed 3 around 2015 model year, which would be available summer of 14 or Fall of 14.

i want the speed 6 to be successful but ill be honest, if they do AWD again, i hope something better is designed.

speeding3 06-21-2013 06:39 PM

The 3rd gen 3 will look like that it is confirmed, its the same as the Cx-5 front end. I work for Galpin Mazda so Its not just a he said she said its true, the interior will be very like the new mazda 6 almost identical. BUT ther will be no speed 3 and that is confirmed they are droping the disi motor from ther lineup. the only hope we have is the turbo diesel in the euro mazda6 but that is 2 years away at least.

dubtastic 06-21-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Haltech (Post 2124976)
I expect Mazda to repeat... IF a speed6 comes out, it will be first.. followed by a Speed 3 around 2015 model year, which would be available summer of 14 or Fall of 14.

i want the speed 6 to be successful but ill be honest, if they do AWD again, i hope something better is designed.

Good point haltech. The last speed6 was a unique fit amongst the competition, but it lacked. I just wonder if the "game changer" comment is really going to shake things up next Wednesday.

dubtastic 06-21-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by speeding3 (Post 2124982)
The 3rd gen 3 will look like that it is confirmed, its the same as the Cx-5 front end. I work for Galpin Mazda so Its not just a he said she said its true, the interior will be very like the new mazda 6 almost identical. BUT ther will be no speed 3 and that is confirmed they are droping the disi motor from ther lineup. the only hope we have is the turbo diesel in the euro mazda6 but that is 2 years away at least.

Even if they are dropping the disi does it really mean the end of the speed3? May I ask how you were informed?

Darth_Nuruodo 06-21-2013 09:20 PM

They very well could bring a mazdaspeed miata back, that car is even more over due than the 6, and a turbo would be a game changer vs its competition since subaru dropped the ball on that front.

Tapa who tapa wha??

pzr2874 06-21-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Nuruodo (Post 2125200)
They very well could bring a mazdaspeed miata back, that car is even more over due than the 6, and a turbo would be a game changer vs its competition since subaru dropped the ball on that front.

Tapa who tapa wha??

I hear Suby has that covered coming up.... "heard"

BPASPEED 06-21-2013 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pzr2874 (Post 2125217)
I hear Suby has that covered coming up.... "heard"

http://www.carsdirect.com/2014/subaru/brz

kpacker51 06-21-2013 10:37 PM

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dubtastic 06-22-2013 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Nuruodo (Post 2125200)
They very well could bring a mazdaspeed miata back, that car is even more over due than the 6, and a turbo would be a game changer vs its competition since subaru dropped the ball on that front.

Tapa who tapa wha??

Very good point, I had forgot about that. It's been a good while since there was a mazdaspeed miata, almost 8yrs at this point I think.

Darth_Nuruodo 06-26-2013 07:39 AM

Welp, couple hours early for their "gamechanger" event, but here you go. 2014 Mazda3: This Is It

JgamB 06-26-2013 07:54 AM

Hopefully it shed 300lbs just like the new 6. Other than the weird pop-up nav screen, I like it - but it would take an AWD MS3 to get me to consider a trade up.

BigRedSpecial 06-26-2013 08:03 AM

I'm not sold on the looks, but then again a mazdaspeed style spoiler would make a huge difference... look at the base first gen compared to the speed

randomtask16 06-26-2013 08:24 AM

I've seen a few of the new CX5's on the road around ehre. I thought they were alright, The 3 will warranty the same opinion from me being so similar up front.

Arab81253 06-26-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedSpecial (Post 2131215)
I'm not sold on the looks, but then again a mazdaspeed style spoiler would make a huge difference... look at the base first gen compared to the speed

Add that spoiler, probably a functional hook scoop, some different wheels and side skirts and it will look very different. Whether or not that look will actually be good is another story.

randomtask16 06-26-2013 01:33 PM

NEW 2014 MAZDASPEED GT 19" ALLOY WHEELS W/ TIRES

Parts already popping up on CL here lol

"Mazdaspeed GT" wheels for sale

silkyms3 06-26-2013 04:57 PM

Official pics:

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MAZDA UNVEILS ALL-NEW 2014 MAZDA3 VIA CONCURRENT INTERNATIONAL EVENTS

- Mazda's Best-Selling Vehicle Worldwide Receives Complete Redesign -

NEW YORK (June 26, 2013) – The all-new 2014 Mazda3 compact five-door was revealed to the world today during an event in Manhattan's Chelsea neighborhood. After weeks of media speculation and numerous "leaked" images of enthusiast renderings, Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) pulled the sheet off the highly-anticipated redesign and confirmed the car will be on-sale this fall. The all-new Mazda3 is engineered with the full complement of SKYACTIV®1 technologies – a proprietary suite of fuel-efficient, performance-driven components and manufacturing philosophies – as well as the handsome styling of the KODO design language. Other launch events also were held in Melbourne, Istanbul, St. Petersburg and London to debut the new vehicle, as well as celebrate the 10th year of Mazda3 production.

"With more than 3.5 million vehicles sold globally, the Mazda3 is the brand's best-selling and most recognizable name plate, and its redesign for 2014 shows just how much attention to detail and care we put into this important vehicle," said Jim O'Sullivan, president and CEO, MNAO. "SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY and KODO have performed as advertised and received critical acclaim, with even more technologies and materials to be introduced with the 2014 Mazda3. On the heels of the launch of the 2013 CX-5 crossover SUV last fall and the 2014 Mazda6 early this year, this is an exciting time for Mazda, and we're only getting started."

Lower and leaner than its predecessor, this third generation Mazda3 shares almost nothing with its older siblings other than a name. All new from the ground up, the 2014 Mazda3 sits on a wheelbase of 106.3 inches, which is 2.4 inches longer than the previous generation, yet the hatchback is 1.8 inches shorter in length at 175.6 inches. With a height of 57.3 inches and a width of 70.7 inches, the Mazda3 reduces its ceiling by 0.6 inches and gains 1.6 inches in the hips while retaining similar headroom space and offering rear legroom at 35.8 inches. The rear seatbacks are nearly 2.0 inches taller for added passenger comfort. Front and rear shoulder room also has increased to 57.2 and 54.4 inches, respectively. This efficient use of space is wrapped in the increasingly striking dimensions of KODO, Mazda's "Soul of Motion" approach to designs that exude emotional proportions and refined strength.

Expressive and Enticing, Inside Out

Whether equipped with the standard 16-inch full-cover steel wheels or higher trim-equipped 16- inch and 18-inch aluminum alloy wheels, each set expresses dynamic motion from hub to rim. The Mazda3's cab rearward posture and raked profile emphasize agility and speed.

From the dynamic signature wing of the five-point grille to the expansive sheet metal cresting over sleekly slanted headlamps, from the wide-stance muscular fenders to the taut character lines flowing from panel to panel, sculpting into a chiseled rear featuring provoking taillights, KODO begets the Mazda3 a presence unlike any other. Yet such style is not without purpose as the five-door and sedan models achieve best-in-class coefficient of drag (Cd) at 0.275 and 0.255, respectively, when equipped with i-ELOOP and an active air shutter. A new-to-Mazda feature, an active air-shutter is mounted in front of the radiator and automatically opens and closes in accordance with driving conditions to improve aerodynamic performance, while contributing to real-world gains in fuel economy.
To be available in eight colors, including the premium metallic finish Soul Red, two all-new Mazda hues are introduced with Titanium Flash Mica and Deep Crystal Blue Mica.

The interior is no less impressive, starting with the driver-oriented cockpit. The pedals have been laid out symmetrically to the left and right of the driver's center-line with a hinged organ-type accelerator pedal as standard for added safety and comfort. Designed not only to appeal to the senses, each control and function also is specifically placed with intuitive utility in mind. The less time spent focusing on adjusting knobs and pushing touch-screen commands, the more time a driver is engaged with the actual act of driving, being alert to what is on the road ahead and, therefore, being able to react quickly, accurately and safely.

For added precision, the base of the A-pillars have been repositioned 3.9 inches rearward to afford greater range of vision for both the driver and front passenger. The outside mirrors also are mounted onto the doors instead of the base of the A-pillar to expand the scope of visibility when looking over mirrors from the driver's seat.

All-new for Mazda vehicles and being launched with the 2014 Mazda3 will be a next-generation human-machine interface (HMI) system. Based on the heads-up cockpit concept, the new HMI system aims to help drivers maintain proper posture, concentrate on the road and drive more safely, even while handling larger amounts of information. The information used is divided into groups, and an innovative screen layout is employed to let the driver safely balance the primary job of driving with other peripheral information.

The 2014 Mazda3 also is the first vehicle to feature Mazda's all-new Active Driving Display, a clear pop-up panel that displays vehicle speed, navigation directions and other important driving information, and is vertically mounted behind the meter hood. This feature not only places necessary information comfortably in the driver's line-of-sight but also directs the display beyond the instrument panel, more in line with where a driver's eyes are naturally focused. The Active Driving Display panel will automatically fold back into a hidden position when the ignition is shut off.
The redesigned meter cluster features a centrally positioned analog gauge flanked by a pair of wing-shaped digital displays. The dial face for the center gauge is characterized by three- dimensional metallic numerals, evidence of the design teams' attentiveness to detail, while its red-ring border pulses as soon as the driver's door is opened, a nod to the vehicle's inescapable sporty DNA. From the gauge clusters extends a decorative dash panel finished in satin chrome with piano black trim pieces adorning select areas of the center console and front door inserts.
The seat architecture has been redesigned with added focus on comfort and space, while at the same time reducing weight. For example, the front seat backs were further sculpted to provide rear seat passengers more knee room than the previous generation Mazda3, and shoulder room for all passengers increased as well. Additionally, the driver's seat cushion was made larger, while still optimizing the seat back to create a more natural seating position with ample lateral support, which is a welcome adjustment for those prone to long drives.

Available in cloth (Black, Sand), leatherette (Black) and leather (Black, Almond) seat materials, the multitude of exterior and interior color combinations and accents further showcases the attention made to the finer touch points and to the varying degree of consumer preferences.

Stay Connected While On the Go

Mazda's infotainment system receives its own sort of overhaul as well. The new operating system connects via Bluetooth® to a smartphone and can easily be updated to ensure users always have access to the latest features and services without the need to swap out hardware. In addition to the current music access points via standard AM/FM radio, CD and USB/auxiliary port connections and premium content such as Pandora® and Sirius® Satellite Radio, features such as internet-based apps Aha by HARMANTM and StitcherTM Radio will be available. An optional Bose® premium audio system with Centerpoint® 2 virtual surround sound playback will bring the harmonies and vocals to life for even the most discerning of audiophiles.
The system also can read email and short messages aloud while the vehicle is in motion using text-to-voice technology. Short Message Service (SMS -- text) messages can be received and shown on the touch screen monitor. The system can then articulate the messages as well as allow users to send replies using fixed phrases. A new speech recognition system also allows users to repeat and shuffle audio tracks, as well as search and select folders. When connected with a smartphone, Twitter® and Facebook updates can be read by the system, with audio responses available using the Shout function. The system also allows users to search the internet for locations and map directions. An SD card-based navigation system is optional.

SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY Leads the Way

The long relationship between Mazda, the brand, and Zoom-Zoom, the anthem, is no secret. Jinba Ittai, the oneness between car and driver, is a long-standing brand philosophy, an essence, which is built into every Mazda ever engineered – whether for leisurely drives within the cul-de- sac community or hot laps around a track. With the Mazda3, a vehicle that is sold in more than 130 countries and accounts for 30 percent of global sales, this connection is even more important and made even more precise.

For the North American market, the 2014 Mazda3 will be offered with two engine choices: the currently-offered SKYACTIV-G 2.0-liter gasoline engine and a new SKYACTIV-G 2.5-liter gasoline engine, as fitted to the CX-5 and 2014 Mazda6. Globally, the Mazda3 offers the widest SKYACTIV powertrain line-up in order to meet local market demands, and will be available with SKYACTIV-G 1.5- to 2.5-liter-sized gasoline engines, a SKYACTIV-D 2.2-liter clean diesel engine and as a hybrid electric vehicle (Japan only).

Both engines feature a new high-tumble-port 4-2-1 exhaust system that increases engine output. The SKYACTIV-G 2.0-liter produces 155 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 150 lb-ft of torque at 4,000 rpm. As compared to the outgoing MZR 2.5-liter engine, the torque output on the SKYACTIV-G 2.5-liter engine at low- to mid-range speeds is increased by 10 to 15 percent, and its weight is reduced by 10 percent. The SKYACTIV-G 2.5-liter produces a peak of 184 horsepower at 5,700 rpm and 185 lb-ft of torque at 3,250 rpm, both figures are increases of more than 10 percent over the MZR engine.

The 2014 Mazda3 will be available with a choice of the SKYACTIV-MT six-speed manual and SKYACTIV-Drive six-speed automatic transmissions. SKYACTIV-MT offers the short, crisp shift pattern reminiscent of the MX-5 Miata. SKYACTIV-Drive achieves a direct shift feel and quick gear changes that contribute to quick acceleration, while maximizing the best features of a direct- shift gearbox and a conventional torque-converter system.

Mazda's unique i-ELOOP brake energy regeneration system employs a capacitor to store electricity generated when the vehicle decelerates. Brake energy regeneration systems improve fuel economy by reducing the inherent parasitic drag of the alternator when possible, to maximize the efficiency of the vehicle under all modes of operation. Unlike other battery-based systems, i-ELOOP, its name derived from "Intelligent Energy Loop," is the world's first capacitor- based system to power all of a vehicle's electrical components.

The added combination of the SKYACTIV-Body and SKYACTIV-Chassis enhances the Jinba Ittai spirit by offering high-performance, lightweight materials for added strength and safety. Carefully engineered load-transfer ensures a firm grip on the road that the driver can sense. The SKYACTIV-Body provides increased rigidity of 30 percent compared to the previous model, while reducing weight as well.
The expanded use of high tensile-strength steel, and the complete reevaluation of more than 300 separate components, has led to significant weight savings. Although variable from market to market, a European-specification all-new Mazda3, outfitted with a SKYACTIV-D 2.2-liter engine and SKYACTIV-MT manual transmission, weighs approximately 198 pounds less than the previous generation vehicle.

Straight line stability, tire grip and ride comfort have been greatly improved by tuning the suspension system's springs, dampers and stabilizers. Mazda's new mechatronic column-type electric power assist steering system is compact and lightweight, with a gearing ratio of 14:1. The brake response also was improved to be even more responsive, allowing for excellent vehicle control and feel, as well as braking distance amongst the best in the segment. Such improvements also reduce rolling resistance, all to improve fuel economy.

A new lightweight material that exhibits a high level of noise absorption is introduced on the dash insulator and floor mats, and insulating material also is positioned for maximum effectiveness behind the instrument panel. These measures achieve a level of cabin quietness that is highly competitive within the compact car class, and fully appropriate in a class-above vehicle.

Safety Features Without Compare

The 2014 Mazda3 introduces several all-new safety systems under the umbrella known as i-ACTIVSENSE. These technologies use sensing devices such as milliwave radars and cameras to support the driver in recognizing hazards, avoiding collisions and minimizing damage, should accidents occur. While these systems will not eliminate accidents, their intent is to minimize them and reduce the severity of a crash.

The features available under i-ACTIVSENSE for North America are:

 High Beam Control (HBC) – The system automatically switches the headlamps between high and low beams.

 Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) – This safety confirmation system detects objects located in blind-spot areas to the sides and rear of the vehicle and issues a visual alert within the outside mirrors for the driver to see. Should the turn signal be on for the direction in which the "blind" object is located, audible beeps will alert the driver.

 Lane Departure Warning System (LDWS) – This system monitors the lane markings on the road and issues a warning to the driver when it predicts that the vehicle is going to depart from its lane.

 Forward Obstruction Warning (FOW) – This system monitors the vehicle ahead and issues both audible and visual alerts to help the driver take evasive action when it determines a high risk of collision to exist. FOW operates when traveling between speeds of 9 and 92 mph.

 Smart City Brake Support (SCBS) – When traveling at speeds of less than 19 mph, SCBS helps prevent or minimize a collision with a vehicle. Should the imbedded laser sensor detect an object, and the system calculates there may be a high risk for collision, the brake pedal travel is reduced in order to hasten braking. Should the driver fail to perform an avoidance maneuver, the SCBS system will activate an automatic braking function.

 Mazda Radar Cruise Control (MRCC) – The system determines the difference in speed and distance to the vehicle in front, and will automatically adjust the cruising speed in order to maintain a safe distance.
Admit this looks better than my genjuan, interior makes mine instantly old.

randomtask16 06-26-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by silkyms3 (Post 2132145)
Admit this looks better than my genjuan, interior makes mine instantly old.

It looks like a Maserati Kubang/Levante SUV stuffed into the shape of a Mazda 3

Nliiitend1 06-26-2013 06:40 PM

I want to see what's underneath (the suspension, mainly) myself...

dubtastic 06-26-2013 07:10 PM

So I'm watching the feed on Xbox live... Is there supposed to be more revealed?

MechEnix 06-26-2013 07:58 PM

Overall, I dig the new looks. The only part that looks weird is the back, it looks like they thought about going with the euro hatch-coupe style, but added some odd lines.
http://content.worldcarfans.co/2009/...ultsport_2.jpg

A mazdaspeed spoiler may make it look sick though, who has photoshop skeelz.

On the speed front, there will definitely be another. Mazda is just that type of company that likes to show what they can do. All we can do is wait, and see if some spy shots show up in a year or two (I do agree that a 6 will come before a 3 though). Finally, dealerships are mostly run by retards who don't shit about shit, the internet will know well before some turd at a random dealership in wichita will.

motherfnmonsta 06-26-2013 08:03 PM

I'm just not digging it. I think its cool they r craming a lot of technology in the car but that is just more shit to break and second I dk how I feel about it being made in Mexico . The first few runs will be made in Japan and then they r going to be made in Mexico.

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Darth_Nuruodo 06-26-2013 08:40 PM

I like some of the interior features and new tech (smart cruise control for the win), but I hate the outside.

Tapa who tapa wha??

msantana101 06-27-2013 11:24 AM

Gen turd


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JgamB 06-27-2013 12:49 PM

And it still has the worsts cup holders known to man-kind. I guess that is the penalty for choosing a manual trans - straws stuck in your forearm.

minger 06-27-2013 01:08 PM

Try the nb miata. These are damn good in comparison to those cupholders.

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gotspeed 06-27-2013 08:29 PM

I made a quick photoshop using some of the parts from 2012 mazdaspeed.
I think a Gen 3 mazdaspeed has a lot of potential... and finally... depending on specs, a possible replacement for my 2008.5

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...azdaspeed3.jpg

MechEnix 06-27-2013 08:33 PM

That looks pretty sick, I'd trade my 13 right now for it.

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Is that a Huffy? 06-27-2013 08:36 PM

not attractive at all

gotspeed 06-27-2013 09:27 PM

heres a side view (again quick photoshop)

I expect some Pu owners to hate on these as it is (even with a simple photoshop) already better looking than a gen2...
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...peed3_side.jpg

seige123 06-27-2013 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gotspeed (Post 2134398)
I made a quick photoshop using some of the parts from 2012 mazdaspeed.
I think a Gen 3 mazdaspeed has a lot of potential... and finally... depending on specs, a possible replacement for my 2008.5

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z...azdaspeed3.jpg

photoshop the rims on a 2008.5.....

msantana101 06-28-2013 12:06 AM

Yeah it looks a lot better with a bigger spoiler on the back. Nice job for a quick photoshop.


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RiddlerSpeed 06-28-2013 12:58 AM

Unless its rocking a better engine than our already awesome 2.3T, looks alone won't win my $$.

Slash 06-28-2013 03:54 AM

I'm right on the fence about trading mine in for a 2013, hopefully I can wait for this thing to come out. If they raise the price I won't be interested.

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duappleganger 06-28-2013 06:42 AM

Mmm the photoshop makes it look pretty good. Still, I wish it was AWD...

maisonvi 06-28-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by duappleganger (Post 2134786)
Mmm the photoshop makes it look pretty good. Still, I wish it was AWD...

While that would nice, it would price it out of the market. The ST is already flirting with $30K, I have to imagine an AWD MS3 would be up past that.

jonspeed3 06-28-2013 08:15 AM

That side pic photoshop, im sold.

veezyweezy 06-28-2013 08:35 AM

Looks way better with the photoshop but imo still to much rake on that back end...but it is growing on me.


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