Getting booted
 

So im getting discharged from the Air force for using steroids, in my opinion its ignorant that they will discharge someone who is "fit and ready to be deployed" and is at his top physical shape when all the fatasses in the military sit behind desks all day and cant even run a 1.5 mile run in under 15 minutes, i honestly think its unfair that people who get DUI's and get popped for weed get to stay in with a slap on the wrist when both of those substances alter your state of mind, all steroids do is make you bigger and possibly get acne, the only reason its illegal is because of pro sports and nobody in the government really understands steroids, i think there allot of other problems out there that should be addressed than somebody who is in perfect physical shape like they want! but instead they are court marshaling me and i am looking at confinement of unknown amount of time with forfeiture of pay.. then a dishonorable discharge which will not allow me to work in the outside world even at McDonalds seeing as they don't accept dishonorable discharges, now i may be faced with selling my brand new 12 speed3 which is almost fully bolted, i know im going to get bad feedback on this from some but to you i say why would you agree with them fucking someones entire life for a drug that enhances muscle in a safe clinically proven way?

that sucks man i wish you the best of luck and that is stupid as hell not like you were tripping on acid or some shit

First off, thanks for serving our country.


Illegal is illegal, no matter how justified you may you think your usage of steroids is. I'm sure you were aware of the consequences when you had to get them from a less than reputable "pharmacist". I understand them making an example out of you. Idk how much you know about what you take but I'd be willing to bet for every informed user there are several ignorant ones damaging themselves. The govt invested in you and they aren't going to take a gamble on whether or not you properly know how to administer something illegal into your body.


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That really sucks man. It is stupid they let others who pop hot for pot and get DUIs stay in just with a slap on the wrist compared to what your getting....you have to remember it is still illegal....and being in the AirForce is probably fucking you even worse. I would venture to say that if you were Army or Marines you would have never been tested specifically for steriods. Court Marshall, Dishonorable discharge, jail time and no pay while still "military" is fucking harsh. You may just be that person they choose to "Set the Example" with. Best of luck and dont let your pride fuck you over....getting on your knees, shedding a tear, being truthfully sorry may spare you some pain.

I agree with OP. I think the military is retarded. They are so far back in time it's not even funny. Why should he be dishonorably discharged for such a petty thing? Considering there is a large number of people getting DUI's or getting caught pissing hot that are not getting a dishonorable discharge. OP wouldn't even be able to get his GI bill with that status.
He was keeping himself physically fit; which is sort of rare in the military nowadays.

Thanks guys, and yes i know its illegal there is no justifying it but i figured on here i can get away from the BS and hear a few good things from some good guys, im not one to run off and tell my problems to everyone or make people feel sorry for me at all, i was just looking for a upside to this by hearing others thoughts on it!

Take the side effects of typical steroids:

High blood pressure, "roid rage"(aggression), cardiovascular problems (heart attacks, strokes etc.), depression, and just all around a decreased well-being.

If I were a higher up in the military, legal or not I wouldn't want someone on my squad that could possibly put himself or another in danger because of steroids. In battle that could mean a loss of a lot of people. I understand your frustrations, but while there are some positive things that come out of steroids, there are also negatives. There are definitely good reasons why steroids are illegal, not just because of "pro sports".

With that on your record it will be harder to find a good job so if I were you I would consider starting your own business. Not sure what it would be and you'll struggle at first to make it work but might be your best option. Good luck and it's not healthy to take any drugs if you can help it. All drugs have side affects of some kind. I won't even take Advil unless I'm hurting pretty bad. I do understand the desire to be more fit as I used to be a competitive road racer, 5K's to Marathons. I still run most days but just for fitness now.

honest to god people will say this all day long because of "what they hear and read" but ive done tons and tons of research watch documentaries and experienced them for myself, i did not have any side effects, and roid rage is a myth, people actually said i was a happier person when i was on them, it would never make a passive person become aggressive, they are used daily in hospitals and the results of hospital visits is proven that steroids come on the "cause of visit" list at like #150 and every other thing that people eat/drink/smoke on a daily basis has more side effects and more down sides than steroids, this battle could go on forever but they truthfully are not bad, i kept on all my levels, blood press was perfect, drank 3 gallons of water daily, ate healthier than anyone i know and i had no bad effects, now as to someone who abuses them, sure they may have a different outcome, but i see where your coming from and thats exactly what ill be facing on monday!

You're an idiot. You're options are either join the military and don't do what they say not to do or don't join and do whatever the fuck you want.

surebOOst, every branch does piss tests and tests for everything they can.

And none of you know ANYTHING about all the different discharges from the military and which affect your GI Bill elegability and how they affect it so.

I'm a Marine. I would love to go home and smoke a bowl. But I wouldn't because I signed a contract saying I wouldn't, and that if I did I'd lose pay, my honorable discharge (people with DUI's and that pop on piss tests for weed are NOT honorably discharged) etc etc.

OP signed a contract saying the same about steroids. So I don't feel sorry for you.

did your unit test everyone for steroids or just you?

I'm with the Marine.

To all of those MSF'ers, thank you for serving. My gf and I are both AF Reserve.

Sucks to hear about you getting booted, but they have every right to give you the boot due to drugs. Basically it seems like they will find the easiest targets to kick out. From what I've heard that's usually higher ups in the ranks with little time before retirement and lower ranking/ newbies who don't show progress, fail PT tests, fall behind in training or who are just not good people (LOCs, LORs, etc.)

Good luck to you in your future endeavors and thank you for serving.

you are wrong, i just had 4 people get general discharges with honorable conditions for smoking weed, and after 6 months it upgrades to honorable, and they all still get benefits, and so you know steroids do not show on a piss test or blood test, i didnt even get popped for them, i got ratted on by a weak person

That is lame they booted you because of it. I have a lot of knowledge on this subject also. I don't think you should get booted from it, but roids will fuck your health slowly down the road. Keep up on your blood test, and know your body will never produce Tes again. You will be dealing with the consequences for the rest of your life. If you don't believe me, write me back in 10 years and can laugh at me if I'm wrong. Sucks if you have to sale your ms3.
And if people wanna fight for me being juiced up I'm cool with that!

Ahhhh, I see, well if you did get ratted on then there better be a ton of sworn statements and a probable cause memo from the commander saying he/she sought counsel.

No roid rage huh? Guess the guy reporting illegal behavior upholding "integrity first" is weak as fuck. But honestly I think it is wrong that others get to stay in or get a general discharge and you don't. I hope maybe they can work a deal for you to at least get a general instead.

Roids DO show on a blood test you crazy fuck! :wow:

well after i was ratted on they started their investigation, idk how long it was going on for but i got caught with a package in hand that they had tracked from the person i purchased them from, i never lied i told the truth, gave a statement to OSI and from there they did more investigating to catch me for distro but i never did, monday i will find out the charges im being brought up on

You could always go talk to a JAG officer on base about what kind of options if any you have. If it'll help get my contact info from TIgrey when I was going through the AFROTC one of the guys that graduated before my class went JAG and can see what he says. Really shitty man hope it all works out one way or another for you.

You do everything you're told to do like a robot right?
It's illegal to have oral sex in the military. Do you still do it?

Fuck that mentality. Doing everything you're told to do can get you killed during wartime too you know.

they do not, i can tell you this from having 2 blood tests and 6 urinalysis tests done while on them, on our base we had 2 F22's go down i happened to have worked both of them and they had to test us and they took 9 viles of blood from each person and ran as many tests as they could, nothing came up! now there is a more extent test they can run but it costs around 2grand to test and they will not do that unless they have suspicion or proof

I agree with OP as far as the severity of the punishment compared to everyone else that gets a slap on the wrist. Yes, steroids are bad when abused (key word abused) but so is alcohol and everything else screened in the same aspect. But to discharge one and let the others go free with minimal consequence is confusing to me.

Aside from that, if they say don't use it, I don't use it (personally). It sucks to hear that they decided to go that far

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Damn budget cuts..2-3 years ago they probably would have given you a promotion.. But still 'wrong is wrong'.. Drugs are a big risk in the military, it was like playing Russian roulette every time I came off of leave, always had me sweating it out in formation when they would call out the names of who was going to get tested. Never got caught though. You'll prob still get your GI benefits, they hand them out to everybody.

Have you looked at the shitty list of side effects of steroids lately? Great he's physically fit for a time being. And while the discharge call comes from different people at every different base, you have to step up to the plate for what you did. If a member knowingly use banned substances knowing that they COULD get a dishonorable, but thought they would get a slap on the wrist...well than I don't know what is going through their mind.

I'm AD Air Force, and in the last year, I know 2 people personally that have been discharged for DUIs, and at least 3 more on my base alone that I don't know. At least one dishonorable. A little humility to your superiors and peers goes a long way toward how your career and exit are handled.

Damn, caught in hand makes it probable cause I guess, well good luck, I would read up on the rules for retention based on drug use. I know in the Army reg there are rare circumstances that based on the recommendations of the command and completing rehab and so on, they may let you change over to some crap job in the AF that no one wants, better than a dishonorable discharge.

Discharges don't change on their own, they are eligable to change. Let me know how their interactions with the VA go with that.

And to say steriods don't show on a piss test or blood test shows that you clearly don't know a fucking things about them. Most piss tests (including the ones the Navy administor, which is probably the same as the chair force) don't test for steriods however they ALL show up in blood tests and select ones show up in piss tests.

You're a fucking idiot.

GTFO of the military and don't ever label yourself as a vet.


EDIT: moomooz12 you are a fucking moron as well. You can't do everything you are told, no shit. But anyone that makes that argument with "it's illegal to have oral sex in the military" is as intelligent as a 6 year old.

QFT

That shit IS expensive, 2-3 grand each sample depending on the lab and that is why DoD only test based on sufficient evidence or probable cause.

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I dunno about AF regs for post crash testing but you have to test specifically for roids, have no clue about the list tested for in aviation tech/mechs in the AF.

you dont know what your talking about at all, stick to what you know! and im not labeling myself as a vet i dont like being affiliated with the military cuz its not the military anymore its a giant rule book with extra rules stacked on top of that, pathetic and your right you have to submit it in 6 months to get it changed and 9 out of 10 times they change it as long as your "under honorable conditions" trust me ive been talking with the jags, talking to the individuals who were just recently discharged for substance abuse under same article 112 of the ucmj as me and i know more about this than you, also if you want to get smart and get proved wrong here you go: when i was in the OSI office being investigated i asked " do you have to do a urine test on me cuz i have to piss" they said no it wouldnt show anyway, i said oh ok how about a blood test? no that cost way to much for that particular test, now go read google a little more and come back with a better answer!

I'm not going to waste my time. You clearly know everything.
Btw if the chair force's bullshit upset you this much you wouldn't have lasted through morning PT in the fleet Marine Corps, none the less a four year contract. Lol

Most drug test DON'T test for performance enhancing drugs your correct. If they are "suspicious" they can test as you also stated. I thought you meant they couldn't test through blood. And you had them on hand? Dang dude.

your right cuz i wasnt cross training into becoming a PJ until that got shot down with this, also im over my 4 year mark bud

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I like how you call someone and idiot, and follow up with being an idiot.

Still the Chair Force, Bud.

And Fatguy, i dont car tht i mad a grammer errer. You can suck a dick too. I bet you feal bad for the OP and think the way "the military" is kicking people out is stupid huh?

Or do you have no opinion or even thought on the conversation at all?

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Sorry I had too. lol

OP, Sorry to hear and I agree it is pretty shitty of them to do all that to you. However, you made your bed, now you must sleep in it.

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Not trying to sound like a dick but I can understand the AF point of view especially if you were trying to be a PJ, because the military will see you having a dependence issue and PJ's work with a lot of controlled substances so to them if your already to break your contract over roids your do it again for drugs.

chair force is right, but let me ask you, who saves ur ass when you cant pull through? who gives you air support? who do PJ's rescue? dude your calling out your own people.. military is military and i wish once that when your absolutely fucked overseas and relying on air force help they cant make it to you.. i really hope that happens since your such a dumbass

Yup. Still an idiot. Let me know when you part out, I'll take that battery tray off your hands.

"and idiot"?

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LOL damn phone

I did my tour clean just like 99% of the rest of us that enlist so zero fucks given on that front. Hell ya I wanted to smoke weed. Hell ya I smoked when I got out.

Unfortunately for you I know a lot of guys that had a hard time overcoming the mental issue of not completing their tour with pride, the family backlash and the huge resume stain that should have otherwise been a glowing recommendation and a big career boost. You're gonna have to work harder now in life to overcome this hurdle you placed in your own way.

Such as life. Don't blame this on anyone else in this entire planet, not the squealer, not your command, not the Chair Force's policies, not the fat guys that didn't do steroids, not the SecDef, not the CIC. Don't blame anyone but you. Accept full unequivocal responsibility and move on.