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Default Help with my 600+ HP Gen 2 Build

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This is my first post on the forums, I've been using you guys for advice but I think its time I dig a little deeper. I'm trying to make 600+ HP reliably, I'm not afraid to spend the money to get there. My build is as follows:

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What else am I missing, Or suggestions to help with the build ? She will have a daily tune and then a more aggressive track tune. I'm receptive to all advice and welcome it all.

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JBR makes a 3.5" CAI?

You're doing a high HP build and want to know what you are missing? Like what? Sounds like you have it all under control. Or did you just come on here to brag and make us all jealous of your deep pockets? LOL.

Nice build man. Good luck!

Post pics of your current setup. Lets see this 600 HP beast of a motor.
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Some guys have way more experience with these kinds of builds, I'm just making sure i'm doing it right. I was just seeing if there is anything extra I might need

Ill post pictures soon
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You'll never reach that without the right blinker fluid.
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I wanna say the full race mani only supports like 500hp or so.
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Originally Posted by Nothingbutafister View Post
Some guys have way more experience with these kinds of builds, I'm just making sure i'm doing it right. I was just seeing if there is anything extra I might need

Ill post pictures soon
No really, tell me about the 3.5" CAI. I would buy one if it existed.

And SP63 knows very well how to reach 600HP. They helped build an MS6 with over 700HP. Beast of a car.

A GT3076 is not big enough to reach 600HP by the way.
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I wanna say the full race mani only supports like 500hp or so.
I'd imagine this has to do with the stock flange design. I know they offer it with a t25 flange, but just how much flow can those 1.25" runners handle? The cpe mani has 1.6" runners fwiw.
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Get the CPE tial v band exhaust Mani and GTX3076 gen2 to match and run EWG.
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No really, tell me about the 3.5" CAI. I would buy one if it existed.

And SP63 knows very well how to reach 600HP. They helped build an MS6 with over 700HP. Beast of a car.

A GT3076 is not big enough to reach 600HP by the way.
https://edgeautosport.com/jbr-tru-3-...d-6-2006-2007/

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SRI vs CAI
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Guess I'll have to build my own then. That's a SRI. Short Ram Intake. Not CAI.

How far along are you in your build?
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throw everything on the exhaust side of your motor away to start
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I'm confused, I thought aftermarket injectors were not available for our platform, or is this referring to adding custom ports for them?
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Its going to be really hard to hit 600 with that turbo/exhaust setup. Either go with a GEN2 GTX3076r with the tial hotside or get a PTE setup from edgeautosport. The stock flange doesnt flow as well as the tial and precision setups when you go past 500.
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I'm confused, I thought aftermarket injectors were not available for our platform, or is this referring to adding custom ports for them?
Port injection on the JMF Manifold, 4 1000cc injectors with a Split second fuel controller.
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ahhhh, I see it now. I really do need my eyes checked
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You get supporting mod for 600 but you would need something with more breath to get there.
If you have that old gt3076, you probably get it used at a good price so you may try it first and gradually increase boost until turbo is maxed out.
Then get a more modern turbo with a better flange to get where you want to go.

But it is a journey, you wont start the engine in the morning and run 30+psi safely in the afternoon....

make sure to get larger wheel and tires with a sticky threadwear. You may not be able to put all the 600hp to the ground before illegal speed on an ms3 with the stock size.
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If you're serious about getting to 600+, a few changes:
1. As others suggested, go PTE/Gen2 Turbo
2. cp-e turbo manifold
3. Walbro goes in surge tank, you also need upgraded ITFP to feed it
4. HTP 4" intake is simply a better match
5. Cams largely unnecessary unless you're looking for 700+ HP
6. Clutch/Flywheel is mandatory, not a "will add later" part
7. Stock axles are fine
8. Where is your suspension/wheels/tires/brakes?
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6. Clutch/Flywheel is mandatory, not a "will add later" part
7. Stock axles are fine
8. Where is your suspension/wheels/tires/brakes?
I understand he is waiting for the ACT clutch to be delivered???

I hope the wheel setup won't be stretch, full camber....
I was running just a bit shy of 400 crank and even with sticky 245, it wasn't enough. Despite it was funny to pass a car while screeching the tires a bit, more torque below 60mph would just wear the tire faster...

All that to say, i suggest to the op to forget the bragging 600 number for now and just make it run with what he got. It is a nice setup and 500 on a fwd should give him a lot of fun....
After trying it, he will better know if he want to throw another 4-5k for a race setup.
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8. Where is your suspension/wheels/tires/brakes?
Probably under his car.

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I understand he is waiting for the ACT clutch to be delivered???

I hope the wheel setup won't be stretch, full camber....
I was running just a bit shy of 400 crank and even with sticky 245, it wasn't enough. Despite it was funny to pass a car while screeching the tires a bit, more torque below 60mph would just wear the tire faster...

All that to say, i suggest to the op to forget the bragging 600 number for now and just make it run with what he got. It is a nice setup and 500 on a fwd should give him a lot of fun....
After trying it, he will better know if he want to throw another 4-5k for a race setup.
Sounds more like a dream list than an actual build going on. I could be wrong but, until we see some pics.....

Come on OP. Lets see what you've got going on so far! We mere mortals cant afford that kind of build. So let us live vicariously through you.
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Sounds more like a dream list than an actual build going on. I could be wrong but, until we see some pics.....

Come on OP. Lets see what you've got going on so far! We mere mortals cant afford that kind of build. So let us live vicariously through you.
You are probably right, i could be naive at some point.
It may be a troll to make us talk....

We need to face a fact that someone bright that isn't afraid to spend THE money should buy something faster right out of the box.

I think most of us are proud to own something they build but in fact, could it be because we are broke and it is a way to get fast at a better price ? After a long while, if we calculate everything it may not have been that cheap but we never really know at time we start.

Dont get me wrong, i like my speed, i had one for 10 years and bought another because i can mod it for less than others pay each month for their brand new piece of crap...But give me all the money at once to buy the op list, i would probably spend it on another frame with a ls engine in it or something similar....
You arew right someone that really plan to spend 15-20k at once in a speed may not be real
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I think we all just got trolled. Well played OP, well played.
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Hey guys,
Sorry for the late update, Currently deployed overseas, Pictures are being uploaded now

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You are probably right, i could be naive at some point.
It may be a troll to make us talk....

We need to face a fact that someone bright that isn't afraid to spend THE money should buy something faster right out of the box.

I think most of us are proud to own something they build but in fact, could it be because we are broke and it is a way to get fast at a better price ? After a long while, if we calculate everything it may not have been that cheap but we never really know at time we start.

Dont get me wrong, i like my speed, i had one for 10 years and bought another because i can mod it for less than others pay each month for their brand new piece of crap...But give me all the money at once to buy the op list, i would probably spend it on another frame with a ls engine in it or something similar....
You arew right someone that really plan to spend 15-20k at once in a speed may not be real
I love my speed and have no issue putting the money into, you get what you pay for and yes itís painful at first but well worth it in the end

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I think we all just got trolled. Well played OP, well played.
You werenít trolled I promise

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More to come guys ! I have tons of pictures of everything

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I made my dream a reality

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Sounds more like a dream list than an actual build going on. I could be wrong but, until we see some pics.....

Come on OP. Lets see what you've got going on so far! We mere mortals cant afford that kind of build. So let us live vicariously through you.
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Originally Posted by Solarsurge View Post
If you're serious about getting to 600+, a few changes:
1. As others suggested, go PTE/Gen2 Turbo
2. cp-e turbo manifold
3. Walbro goes in surge tank, you also need upgraded ITFP to feed it
4. HTP 4" intake is simply a better match
5. Cams largely unnecessary unless you're looking for 700+ HP
6. Clutch/Flywheel is mandatory, not a "will add later" part
7. Stock axles are fine
8. Where is your suspension/wheels/tires/brakes?
1. The plan is to go full precision after breaking in the new engine for a while the 3076R is to get me by for now
2. I was suggested against the CP-E mani due to welds cracking at high HP numbers
3. I have the ITFP to go with the port injection kit from speed performance
4. I agree I need a 4Ē intake
5. Iím looking to be past 700+ HP eventually, I had the engine built so I said why not to the cams and upgraded valve springs
6. I have a ACT 6 puck sprung clutch with lightweight fly wheel in the tranny now
7. Stock axles are fine but to minimize risk Iím going to upgrade
8. The suspension/wheels/tires/ and brakes are all to come after the engine and transmission are fully built and completed by my local shop
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2. I was suggested against the CP-E mani due to welds cracking at high HP numbers

3. I have the ITFP to go with the port injection kit from speed performance

CP-E is a cast manifold. Iím not sure what welds that person is referring to. Also, I know the SP63 PI kit came with the Walbro for the surge tank, but I didnít think it came with a ITFP for the fuel tank basket.


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wow, this looks pretty real! and serious! any time frame of when it should be finished by?
you're using an etuner? self tune? or shop doing it? (etune will likely be best)
is this a dd? or a weekend / race car? or pure track?
keep us posted please!
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wow, this looks pretty real! and serious! any time frame of when it should be finished by?
you're using an etuner? self tune? or shop doing it? (etune will likely be best)
is this a dd? or a weekend / race car? or pure track?
keep us posted please!
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It should be done the 1st week of January in hopes no problems arise. Iíll more then likely be doing an etune, Still deciding between a etune or shop tune. If I do a pro tune Iíll have edge do it in Denver. Sheís going to be my daily for now until I decide I want to build something else. Iíll post more pics and videos soon
Cool man. Now update your avatar.
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