Help Smoking Turbo

[Blackedout1978]

Ok guys heres what we have. For around 2 weeks or so now i noticed a slight puff of smoke after a 30 min drive then a few minute idle at the wife's office, never ever while driving. This is with a test pipe. Then I just recently put the downpipe on and that same day that night actually the car starting smoking at idle only. It showed the same signs of smoking turbo from what i can see from the videos posted here. My friends were also there witness to it. They are the same ones who helped put on all my mods @Sid3wayS and @rghispanic88. Well i drover the car for about a week more 100 miles a day and it would never smoke while driving just at idle after about a 1:00 or 2. I don't have a clue whats wrong and i have stocked out now and the cats are now hiding the smoke that was pouring out at idle. I want to bring it to the dealer but what do i say if the thing isn't smoking at all. The car has 22,000 on her and shes a 2011 i also put mobil 1 in here on this oil change always full synthetic just usually get pennzoil plat or ultra. If you need any facts about the car you should see it in my sig i can also answer any questions to help out with this problem. Hope someone can shed light on the subject im so depressed.

[rghispanic88]

Yes, i helped with the install of the corksport downpipe

at first he had: intake/tip, AP, internals, EGR delete, OCC, CS exhaust and ebay TP.= this equalled to NO SMOKING TURBO

after we installed the CS catless DP( the short one), the car would shoot white smoke at idle and not during cruise.

we came to the conclusion that the turbo seals were in fact bad, but we took into consideration that IF we STOCKED out, cats would conceal the smoking turbo. And in fact thats what is actually occuring.

we let the car idle and run for more than 30 mins on the stock DP,TP and exhaust and NO SMOKE.

so if we were to bring the car in to the dealership there would be no way to replicate the smoking issue. fucking mazda and their cats

what are some suggestions?

@rfinkle2
@atvfreek
@Dash08
@Bucker
@Raider

[Raider]

If you can get it to smoke at idle, like smoke pouring out after idling 20 minutes, turbo is shot I think. How much crap is in the occ?

[rghispanic88]

Originally Posted by Raider If you can get it to smoke at idle, like smoke pouring out after idling 20 minutes, turbo is shot I think. How much crap is in the occ?

i know that if we have everything catless it will smoke, very obvious, but the damn cats now hide all the smoke.

we drained today into a small water bottle and it was and inch high. it wasnt that much, im not sure how many miles the OCC was actually on. i think he sain one oil change, but i think it was about 3k

@Blackedout1978 how many miles did you have the OCC on?

[sassyspeed3]

We had this happen to us when we ran catless for a short period, be weary, I think it is your turbo. You can take it in but beware, they voided our warranty. Good luck.


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[rghispanic88]

Originally Posted by sassyspeed3 We had this happen to us when we ran catless for a short period, be weary, I think it is your turbo. You can take it in but beware, they voided our warranty. Good luck. sent from my cleavage via Tapatalk

why did they void your warranty?

i would never bring it in modded or even say "hey i had a catless set up and it smoked", that would be stupid


we had an "UNINSTALL" day today.lol. took everything off, except HIDs and RMM and internals which i KNOW the will never notice.

[sassyspeed3]

We did stock it out. Unfortunately with a turbo they run the computer and after we unmarked the cobb, they could "supposedly" tell that the car had been messed with.


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[rghispanic88]

Originally Posted by sassyspeed3 We did stock it out. Unfortunately with a turbo they run the computer and after we unmarked the cobb, they could "supposedly" tell that the car had been messed with. sent from my cleavage via Tapatalk

you mean they were able to tell that the computer had been tampered with? as in with the COBB AP?

[sassyspeed3]

Yes sir.


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[sassyspeed3]

Not trying to say you will have the same experience, but that is what we went through. Having it blow was the worst experience ever. It shot oil through the dp and exhaust. But nothing a little dawn soap and industrial cleaner didn't take care of. In the end it worked out. We bought a remanufactured one and it's been nothing but exceptional.


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[rghispanic88]

Originally Posted by sassyspeed3 Not trying to say you will have the same experience, but that is what we went through. Having it blow was the worst experience ever. It shot oil through the dp and exhaust. But nothing a little dawn soap and industrial cleaner didn't take care of. In the end it worked out. We bought a remanufactured one and it's been nothing but exceptional. sent from my cleavage via Tapatalk

damn that sucks. hopefully we'll have some luck

[Blackedout1978]

Well i still do not know what to tell the dealership. Its not smoking with the cats on. Do i just drive it in and say what?

The OCC was only on for an oil change that its 3000 miles maybe 4000...

[atvfreek]

Sometimes going catless causes the smoke due to less backpressure in the exhaust. Try raising the idle to 900-950 with the ap and that should take care of it.

[Raider]

When the turbo seals shit the bed on our Cx-7, there was shitload of oil all over the hot pipe off the turbo. O2 sensor #1 was coated too. It was the consistency of tar.

And don't go in modded for warranty work, they can/will fuck you.

[Blackedout1978]

Ok the car as of now is stock with the exception of the internals ngk and rear motor mount, should i take it in to the dealership, and say its burning oil ? cause i dont want to mask the problem i just want it fixed. I also had a CX-7 and the turbo shit the bed on that and was pouring smoke through the cats. This has not happened yet. Also @atvfreek the car is stocked out atm any other suggestions for me to tell the dealership when i bring it in?

[Raider]

LOL, I saw your mod list and lol'd at you taking it in for warranty repair.

I would swap the rmm. Local dealer fucked a member of our club for having it, causing the 2nd gear synchros to shit. riiiiight.

I trust no dealer but one, Classic Mazda on Orlando. I know the GM and the SM, so it helped in getting stuff fixed.

[atvfreek]

Originally Posted by Blackedout1978 Ok the car as of now is stock with the exception of the internals ngk and rear motor mount, should i take it in to the dealership, and say its burning oil ? cause i dont want to mask the problem i just want it fixed. I also had a CX-7 and the turbo shit the bed on that and was pouring smoke through the cats. This has not happened yet. Also @atvfreek the car is stocked out atm any other suggestions for me to tell the dealership when i bring it in?

If you are going to bring it in at all, have it 100% stock or they could deny you any warranty. I would just tell them that it intermittantly smokes at idle typically after a long drive. The techs won't take it for a long enough drive to verify it, and it's a known problem.

[Blackedout1978]

this is what was in the OCC

[sassyspeed3]

leave the internals in, they can't tell and they don't mess with it when you take it in. the rmm yes, take it off. better safe than sorry. Good Luck man, i hope they say "we fix" before it pours oil like this....

[Blackedout1978]

how about the spark plugs?

[sassyspeed3]

nah. we kept ours in. that is labeled as "preventative maintenance."

[Darth_Nuruodo]

Originally Posted by sassyspeed3 leave the internals in, they can't tell and they don't mess with it when you take it in. the rmm yes, take it off. better safe than sorry. Good Luck man, i hope they say "we fix" before it pours oil like this....

That's the most horrifying picture I've seen on here. That's what happened after your turbo gave up the ghost? Damn.

[Proshop]

Originally Posted by atvfreek If you are going to bring it in at all, have it 100% stock or they could deny you any warranty. I would just tell them that it intermittantly smokes at idle typically after a long drive. The techs won't take it for a long enough drive to verify it, and it's a known problem.

This ^^^!!!


As others have said take RMM off, leave internals and spark plugs. If they dont warranty it, due to ECU changes from AP. Then pick a non smokey turbo in the FS section and have the guys swap it for you. Or if you have enough spare cash get a step up and really go Zoom Zoom.

@Blackedout1978 What weight Mobil 1 are you using?

[Schmitty5]

Listen... all hope is not lost.

I don't know how dealerships are in Florida, but go ahead and google all the ones around your area, and ask for the service manager. When you speak with the service manager, ask if he is aftermarket friendly. If he says no, no harm, no foul, he doesn't know your car or you. If he says yes, or is friendly and wants to help you, go for it. Sounds to me you have nothing to lose now. Do not mention anything about a Cobb AP or the ECU, if they ask if you've tampered with it, say something like "No, I wish". Again, you have nothing to lose, worst case is they deny you and then what, you're where you're at now.

This is exactly what I did, and I went into a dealership FULLY BOLTED. got a new turbo after 21k miles. Win.

*Lastly, if you have any receipts from oil changes, or anything of that matter, you will need them. Only plus to getting your oil changes done is that its on record and it shows you've taken care of your car.

Good luck

[sassyspeed3]

^ lucky. that is what i said about the ecu. they were like, "have you guys messed with the car?" I played stupid and was like, "what do you mean? i don't even know how to reset the trip meter inside the car." DURP lol

[Darth_Nuruodo]

Originally Posted by Schmitty5 Listen... all hope is not lost. I don't know how dealerships are in Florida, but go ahead and google all the ones around your area, and ask for the service manager. When you speak with the service manager, ask if he is aftermarket friendly. If he says no, no harm, no foul, he doesn't know your car or you. If he says yes, or is friendly and wants to help you, go for it. Sounds to me you have nothing to lose now. Do not mention anything about a Cobb AP or the ECU, if they ask if you've tampered with it, say something like "No, I wish". Again, you have nothing to lose, worst case is they deny you and then what, you are where you are right now. This is exactly what I did, and I went into a dealership FULLY BOLTED. got a new turbo after 21k miles. Win. Good luck

I'm glad it worked out for you, that happens sometimes and it's awesome when it does, but really it's not worth the risk. In the end they can and will find a way to fuck you if at all possible.

@sassyspeed3 It sucks they completely screwed you even after you stocked out. Did they give any idea as to what gave it away beyond "we know you used aftermarket parts"? If it really was the AP, that sort of kills my ideas of just getting an AP and RMM until the warranty goes out.

[adlpb]

I was in my friends Gen1 when it started smoking. He's 100% stock, so I'm not sure why his was smoking and yours isn't with the stock cats.

And I agree with removing the RMM. It only takes a couple of minutes.

[Schmitty5]

Originally Posted by sassyspeed3 ^ lucky. that is what i said about the ecu. they were like, "have you guys messed with the car?" I played stupid and was like, "what do you mean? i don't even know how to reset the trip meter inside the car." DURP lol

lol probably cuz he knew you were lying... People skills go along way here


not worth the risk? How? If you void your warranty you void your warranty... right now there is no warranty on the car cuz he hasn't brought it in! If he ends up handling this NATOR style, then wtf is the point of a warranty.

Like I said, phone calls are your friend. Mazda techs WANT to work on your car. They get paid based on work they do, and a turbo swap is a good 8-10 hours of labor for them. Go into this thinking positively and your glass might end up full

**Also, a RMM is not going make the car smoke. Its irrelevant and your dealership knows that. Find a dealership that wants to help, I'm tellin you

[Darth_Nuruodo]

I was just saying going in fully or even slightly bolted was not worth the risk referring to the second paragraph, not going in at all. I was just saying that being that close to fully stocked out, may as well finish it off and get that motor mount back as well. Internals and spark plugs I can't imagine anyone would say anything about though since who's going to notice the internals, and as mentioned above spark plugs should be looked at as preventative and not an issue. Though because they are part of the ignition system and this has to do with the fuel being burnt, may be enough for them to try to screw you saying it doesn't burn the fuel in the parameters set by the manufacturer therefore smoke and go fuck yourself.

[sassyspeed3]

Originally Posted by Darth_Nuruodo I'm glad it worked out for you, that happens sometimes and it's awesome when it does, but really it's not worth the risk. In the end they can and will find a way to fuck you if at all possible. @sassyspeed3 It sucks they completely screwed you even after you stocked out. Did they give any idea as to what gave it away beyond "we know you used aftermarket parts"? If it really was the AP, that sort of kills my ideas of just getting an AP and RMM until the warranty goes out.

No they didn't. They were just like, we can tell that someone or something tampered with the ECU. Almost like they plugged their computer in and they couldn't read the computer.

The RMM is so easy to take in and out once you break the bolts. The husband has taken everything off and on so many times to take it in that he's a pro. We can do a downpipe in 40 minutes and the RMM in ten.


Our warranty ends in 6000 miles anyways, i told him that once we start tuning, no more on and off bullshit. I just bought mine like a month ago and as soon as my fmic gets here hopefully this week, i'm canceling my warranty. I don't want to go on and off..it just turns into a headache.

BTW - once you start messing with the FP, that o-ring gets worn down. we had it break on us. just my opinion, i would leave it in.

[sassyspeed3]

Originally Posted by Schmitty5 lol probably cuz he knew you were lying... People skills go along way here not worth the risk? How? If you void your warranty you void your warranty... right now there is no warranty on the car cuz he hasn't brought it in! If he ends up handling this NATOR style, then wtf is the point of a warranty. Like I said, phone calls are your friend. Mazda techs WANT to work on your car. They get paid based on work they do, and a turbo swap is a good 8-10 hours of labor for them. Go into this thinking positively and your glass might end up full **Also, a RMM is not going make the car smoke. Its irrelevant and your dealership knows that. Find a dealership that wants to help, I'm tellin you

i agree with you partially about finding someone that will work on your car. although the RMM is irrelevant to the turbo - they can say, "well since this is here, void." It is worth calling around. we did that here and they said yay or nay and when they said nay it was like okay.

as far as people skills, that wasn't exactly how it went. i told them i had no idea why it would have been tampered with since they are they only shop i've been too. but regardless, different people have different experiences.

[Schmitty5]

lol, oh you're a woman. didn't catch that... nevermind.

[rghispanic88]

Originally Posted by sassyspeed3 i agree with you partially about finding someone that will work on your car. although the RMM is irrelevant to the turbo - they can say, "well since this is here, void." It is worth calling around. we did that here and they said yay or nay and when they said nay it was like okay. as far as people skills, that wasn't exactly how it went. i told them i had no idea why it would have been tampered with since they are they only shop i've been too. but regardless, different people have different experiences.

i highly doubt they will void the warranty based on a RMM motor mount which has nothing to do with altering how the trubo works. they cant say the RMM increased the amound of PSI produced by the turbo.

anyways, @atvfreek thats a great idea to say that it smokes after long drives

whe the car smoked it looked like this at this at idle, not cruising

2010 Mazdaspeed3 White Smoking (Part 1) - YouTube

2010 Mazdaspeed3 White Smoking (Part 1) - YouTube

Originally Posted by Schmitty5 lol, oh you're a woman. didn't catch that... nevermind.

LOL, i just caught that too.

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[Sid3wayS]

They just caught you in a lie, our ecu has no rom so it can't store data such as max fuel, boost and wgdc. When you unmarry the ap it flashes the ecu with the date of the original map, so long as you had saved it the first time you linked the ap. The only thing that looks funky is the number of key cycles, but it is the exact same as if your battery died so saying " i left my lights on and needed a jump" kills any suspicion. This has been confirmed again and again by cobb and mazda techs here over n over in many a thread.

Tonight or tomorrow I will go and switch his rmm although i agree that pointing towards a rmm has nothing to do with a blown turbo and that is why it was left. But I also agree that it is better to be safe then sorry.

It also goes to say that this is a LEASE and I am inclined to think that the stealer-ship knowing they are going to get the car back in x mount of time, is going to want to fix it now rather then later.

[Blackedout1978]

Originally Posted by rghispanic88 i highly doubt they will void the warranty based on a RMM motor mount which has nothing to do with altering how the trubo works. they cant say the RMM increased the amound of PSI produced by the turbo. anyways, @atvfreek thats a great idea to say that it smokes after long drives whe the car smoked it looked like this at this at idle, not cruising 2010 Mazdaspeed3 White Smoking (Part 1) - YouTube LOL, i just caught that too. in for nudes

What came of this guys car? here

[p057]

smokey turbo is normal after deleting one or two cats. especially if you delete both.

the cats heat up enough to burn off any fumes that pass the turbo, and they provide backpressure to help keep the seals closed up.

That being said, you have a turbo problem if you smoke heavily even with both cats on, or just smoke excessively. Check for oil past the turbo by removing downpipe. If you see a lot of oil past it, then you have a problem.

that being said, i would stock out as much as you can. at least the stuff that the techs can easily see, or are part of what you're asking to have replaced. I'm not sure what you can use, but make sure you tighten everything down a slight bit more than you usually would, to give it the appearance of "factory tight". probably dab seawater or saltwater or something corrosive over the bolts to give the appearance of never being tampered with... i dunno, just something i'd do.

I'm already pretty much past the point of no return though, so my opinions probably don't matter much.

[rghispanic88]

Originally Posted by p057 smokey turbo is normal after deleting one or two cats. especially if you delete both. the cats heat up enough to burn off any fumes that pass the turbo, and they provide backpressure to help keep the seals closed up. That being said, you have a turbo problem if you smoke heavily even with both cats on, or just smoke excessively. Check for oil past the turbo by removing downpipe. If you see a lot of oil past it, then you have a problem. that being said, i would stock out as much as you can. at least the stuff that the techs can easily see, or are part of what you're asking to have replaced. I'm not sure what you can use, but make sure you tighten everything down a slight bit more than you usually would, to give it the appearance of "factory tight". probably dab seawater or saltwater or something corrosive over the bolts to give the appearance of never being tampered with... i dunno, just something i'd do. I'm already pretty much past the point of no return though, so my opinions probably don't matter much.

funny you should mention that. i did see oil under the turbo. it wasnt a lot but it was noticeable. id say the turbo is not completely fucked up but it is fucked up just a bit. Its just not that fucked up that it will smoke throught the stock cats

also good idea on the corrosion stuff.

Originally Posted by Sid3wayS They just caught you in a lie, our ecu has no rom so it can't store data such as max fuel, boost and wgdc. When you unmarry the ap it flashes the ecu with the date of the original map, so long as you had saved it the first time you linked the ap. The only thing that looks funky is the number of key cycles, but it is the exact same as if your battery died so saying " i left my lights on and needed a jump" kills any suspicion. This has been confirmed again and again by cobb and mazda techs here over n over in many a thread. Tonight or tomorrow I will go and switch his rmm although i agree that pointing towards a rmm has nothing to do with a blown turbo and that is why it was left. But I also agree that it is better to be safe then sorry. It also goes to say that this is a LEASE and I am inclined to think that the stealer-ship knowing they are going to get the car back in x mount of time, is going to want to fix it now rather then later.

wait what, Jason's car is a LEASE? WTF

[Sid3wayS]

Originally Posted by rghispanic88 wait what, Jason's car is a LEASE? WTF

Lol yeah but he wants to buy it out. I originaly told him to stock out 100% go in and trade that shyt for a newer one. Might loose a couple hundread bucks but you get to start all over with a basicly stage 2 car at zero miles. Especialy since the 2012's are sapposedly factory unicorns.

[speeed]

Jason, just send a copy of this thread to the managers of delray mazda, lou bachdrodt and gunter mazda, they are working on it....they will let me know how to solve your problem....
I'll let you know as soon as i have any news.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by speeed Jason, just send a copy of this thread to the managers of delray mazda, lou bachdrodt and gunter mazda, they are working on it....they will let me know how to solve your problem.... I'll let you know as soon as i have any news.

Hahaha you fucking troll