How fast is too fast

[MS3Shadow]

maybe both cats and boobs.
@neganox;

[Raider]

rabble rabble rabble

[WAMBUSHHHH!]

OP was like...

[neganox]

Why not both?

[WetzMS3]

OP's k04 trying to hit 160:

[speedfreak44]

A pull past 150 on a k04 is not the smartest anyway due to the heat buildup. Log bats at that speed and watch how quickly things are warming up.

[BMC]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 So...what you are saying is, this is a useless post that now needs cats and or boobs to make it worth while? @neganox;

Yes, though I'd have gone with Russian midget porn ... always a crowd pleaser ... especially with goats ... always better with the goats!

Originally Posted by speedfreak44 A pull past 150 on a k04 is not the smartest anyway due to the heat buildup. Log bats at that speed and watch how quickly things are warming up.

I think BAT maxed out at 120 or 130 though I haven't viewed the logs yet.

[EnixStorm]

Originally Posted by BMC I think BAT maxed out at 120 or 130 though I haven't viewed the logs yet.

We see that daily here in south Florida... So stock k04s are fine.

Just checked mine last night, still pretty tight shaft at 99k miles... They hold up a lot better than some people might say!

[speedfreak44]

When I pulled from 30-110 I was knocking on 150 bats with ets tmic and the orher day I pulled to 150 and saw 160. I am in florida ambient is 90s

[EnixStorm]

The trick to BATS in Florida is A: EGR delete and B: driving around for a bit of you just restarted your car after a shutdown/sitting. If you drive for > 5 minutes and shutdown, your next startup will be 140s+

Drive around abit, let the air cool the IC down, pull small amounts of boost to bring some cooler air in and get your bats to the 110-120 range before you do any pulls. I always get KR adjustments with BATS 130+ so I don't boost until everything is within those lower ranges.

EGR out of the way brought my daily driving BATS from cruising around 118 during a 92 degree day to 106-110. Pretty happy about that! No KR above .5 when below 120 BATS...

[david001wj]

Today's run was at 10-12 deg.C. cool enough for a run like this. OP is running a complete stage 3 from coob and freak tune. With a decent stretch of road he could of hit 160 for sure. Roads have less then 1 mile long straits where we're from. From what the Op as told me he is more worried about his RPM being in the red. I told him and Justin at freak tune and others can shime in the with his tune he would get a max RPM set point mine is set at 6700. Now lets figure out how to post vids. I took a flyby with my phone CRAZY!!

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[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by david001wj Today's run was at 10-12 deg.C. cool enough for a run like this. OP is running a complete stage 3 from coob and freak tune. With a decent stretch of road he could of hit 160 for sure. Roads have less then 1 mile long straits where we're from. From what the Op as told me he is more worried about his RPM being in the red. I told him and Justin at freak tune and others can shime in the with his tune he would get a max RPM set point mine is set at 6700. Now lets figure out how to post vids. I took a flyby with my phone CRAZY!! Sent from my SM-N900W8 using Tapatalk

WAT?

My head hurts.

[doctavus]

Omg, that isn't good at all.....

[MS3Shadow]

Originally Posted by david001wj Today's run was at 10-12 deg.C. cool enough for a run like this. OP is running a complete stage 3 from coob and freak tune. With a decent stretch of road he could of hit 160 for sure. Roads have less then 1 mile long straits where we're from. From what the Op as told me he is more worried about his RPM being in the red. I told him and Justin at freak tune and others can shime in the with his tune he would get a max RPM set point mine is set at 6700. Now lets figure out how to post vids. I took a flyby with my phone CRAZY!! Sent from my SM-N900W8 using Tapatalk

[WetzMS3]

[MS3Shadow]

[WetzMS3]

[Cheapspeed]

Originally Posted by EnixStorm The trick to BATS in Florida is A: EGR delete and B: driving around for a bit of you just restarted your car after a shutdown/sitting. If you drive for > 5 minutes and shutdown, your next startup will be 140s+ Drive around abit, let the air cool the IC down, pull small amounts of boost to bring some cooler air in and get your bats to the 110-120 range before you do any pulls. I always get KR adjustments with BATS 130+ so I don't boost until everything is within those lower ranges. EGR out of the way brought my daily driving BATS from cruising around 118 during a 92 degree day to 106-110. Pretty happy about that! No KR above .5 when below 120 BATS...

What does egr have to do with bats.

[EnixStorm]

Originally Posted by Cheapspeed What does egr have to do with bats.

Looking to see whose reading in between the lines...

[EnixStorm]

Now these are shitty BATS sitting in FL accident traffic :/

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[hurricane2ndgen]

There ya go indicated right above 6k maybe 6010-25 nearly 400 rpms off. I wondered why my na 6 took 10 seconds to 60 when I first got it. I been shifting 4 to 600 rpms short I only exced that redline when I want everything my little 4 has to offer should last longer I'ma go away now.

[blackms3_71]

Originally Posted by hurricane2ndgen There ya go indicated right above 6k maybe 6010-25 nearly 400 rpms off. I wondered why my na 6 took 10 seconds to 60 when I first got it. I been shifting 4 to 600 rpms short I only exced that redline when I want everything my little 4 has to offer should last longer I'ma go away now.

Lol poor car but good info

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by hurricane2ndgen There ya go indicated right above 6k maybe 6010-25 nearly 400 rpms off. I wondered why my na 6 took 10 seconds to 60 when I first got it. I been shifting 4 to 600 rpms short I only exced that redline when I want everything my little 4 has to offer should last longer I'ma go away now.

LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6010-6025?? That's some seriously accurate eyeballing there homie. Sweet cold rev.

[hurricane2ndgen]

I was just tooling but if yiu zoom in its just past 6k even lmao and it isn't cold. Car had been driven for over a half hour before I did that. Spun it out a bit in gear before I did that. My fuel is on the left side.

[Dat8687]

Originally Posted by WetzMS3 OP's k04 trying to hit 160:

You realize its not that hard to hit 160 with that turbo with proper mods/weight reduction or both

[hurricane2ndgen]

I've been in a 300whp+ speed at 145 at wot and I'd say the car would def do 160 maybe even 170 if conditions permitted such as outside temp etc. It's doable doesn't mean certain setups with the same peak whp will do it.

[WetzMS3]

Originally Posted by Dat8687 You realize its not that hard to hit 160 with that turbo with proper mods/weight reduction or both

You realize I said OP right? Who has none of those things.

Nice avatar brownie.

[BMC]

Just started running in-tank-meth. 2 gallons per tank. That perked things up pretty good. What a pisser that so many areas only have the 91 octane. It's a bit of a bother carrying that stuff around but WTF, the improved performance is easily worth it. Justin at Freektune is once again working his magic and he'll likely have it dialed in after another couple of logs.

[Jeff23spl]

Why not doing it like many others and spraying the meth into the engine only when needed instead of pooring it into your gaz tank ? w/m kit...?

With a 50/50 mix and proper small jet for k04, it would last a lot longer...

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by Jeff23spl Why not doing it like many others and spraying the meth into the engine only when needed instead of pooring it into your gaz tank ? w/m kit...? With a 50/50 mix and proper small jet for k04, it would last a lot longer...

Cost...risk...simplicity.

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[BMC]

I wanted to see the benefits before tossing any more coin. I haven't written off the possibility of going with a kit. There's likely going to be a BT addition this winter and I'd probably tackle both projects at the same time.

[Jeff23spl]

Originally Posted by MD1032 Cost...risk...simplicity. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

Cost ? With E85 ok, but when using pure methanol...not in my case:
2 gallons per tank at around 10-12$Can each VS 0.25-.5 of one with a 50/50 mix for the same gaz tank.
a 600$ kit is paid after about 20 to 40 gaz tank. If you ride a bit, it will be paid in a year or less.
Maybe you use it differently and it doesn't worth it but in my case it does.

+ with BT, i swaped the jet for a 665 and will be able to run more power before adding a 5/6th port.

But i agree for risk and simplicity a meth kit can easily fail, but modding a car is part of it.

[MD1032]

In America it costs me $2-3 per tank more to use Methanol. It is like $4 a gallon at my local place vs $3 a gallon for gas and you only use 2 gallons per tank.

How much less do you really use with an injection kit? Even if you only use half as much, it would take hundreds of tanks to make up the difference.

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[BMC]

Originally Posted by MD1032 In America it costs me $2-3 per tank more to use Methanol. It is like $4 a gallon at my local place vs $3 a gallon for gas and you only use 2 gallons per tank. How much less do you really use with an injection kit? Even if you only use half as much, it would take hundreds of tanks to make up the difference. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

Are you kidding, $2-3 stateside. Wow. My best up here is $7.50 Canadian .... wait now ... that's about the same as $2-3 American ...balls.

[Jeff23spl]

Originally Posted by MD1032 In America it costs me $2-3 per tank more to use Methanol. It is like $4 a gallon at my local place vs $3 a gallon for gas and you only use 2 gallons per tank. How much less do you really use with an injection kit? Even if you only use half as much, it would take hundreds of tanks to make up the difference. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk

Really pur methanol at 4$ or Ethanol like E85 ? Unfortunately is more expensive here...

And my rate was 8 times less than 2gal a thank with injection pump because you mix it with water and inject it only when needed.

For a Lap day, the difference will be less being under boost more often...

I forgot to mention the benefit of the intake valve wash during the injection process too.

[BMC]

I think the meth is supposed to burn cleaner and doesn't leave the same residue as the ethanol. It has other benefits as well such as an indefinite shelf life. A buddy and I are looking at buying it in bulk (45 gal drum). As an alcohol, it just evaporates if not tightly sealed and has no need for stabilizers. If it is poorly stored and there is evaporation, whatever is left is still as potent as the day it was made. If I understand correctly it mixes well with gas, meaning the gas and meth don't tend to separate, leaving a higher concentration of one or the other at the top or bottom of your tank.

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by Jeff23spl Really pur methanol at 4$ or Ethanol like E85 ? Unfortunately is more expensive here...

Yes, I get the Sunoco "race" methanol for $4.00 a gallon...99.95% purity according to their COA (by the way, that's BS, I ran it through the GC at work and it's full of shit...but, I ran KF on it and the water content of the sample I tested was only like 0.26%, so I don't care). E85 is not really available in my area, but in the areas it's available, it's only like $2.00 a gallon, so, far cheaper. I filled up with 93 octane E10 gas today for $2.34 a gallon for reference.

The biggest risk of running in-tank methanol is that it has been proven to swell the O-rings in our fuel systems by phate at 20% and up. I run a 20% mix, so technically I am risking this component of my car by continuing to do this.

Methanol Direct Injection

However, do I even NEED to begin listing all of the problems methanol injection is prone to, and enumerate how many L3-VDT's have been sacrificed to faulty nozzle-injected WMI systems?? So far the track record of in-tank is flawless (granted there are very few of us who do it). Sheston has been doing it for well over a year with great success.

Having an o-ring go bad in your fuel system would be very bad and the repair would be a pain in the ass, however, it is very unlikely to cost you your engine like when a WMI system fails.

[blackms3_71]

Originally Posted by MD1032 Yes, I get the Sunoco "race" methanol for $4.00 a gallon...99.95% purity according to their COA (by the way, that's BS, I ran it through the GC at work and it's full of shit...but, I ran KF on it and the water content of the sample I tested was only like 0.26%, so I don't care). E85 is not really available in my area, but in the areas it's available, it's only like $2.00 a gallon, so, far cheaper. I filled up with 93 octane E10 gas today for $2.34 a gallon for reference. The biggest risk of running in-tank methanol is that it has been proven to swell the O-rings in our fuel systems by phate at 20% and up. I run a 20% mix, so technically I am risking this component of my car by continuing to do this. Methanol Direct Injection However, do I even NEED to begin listing all of the problems methanol injection is prone to, and enumerate how many L3-VDT's have been sacrificed to faulty nozzle-injected WMI systems?? So far the track record of in-tank is flawless (granted there are very few of us who do it). Sheston has been doing it for well over a year with great success. Having an o-ring go bad in your fuel system would be very bad and the repair would be a pain in the ass, however, it is very unlikely to cost you your engine like when a WMI system fails.

Wmi would only fuck u if u are keeping a eye on ur ap or listen to what ur car feels like. Imo if u run meth, then u should alway watch ur ap as you are at a point of racecar that needs that kind of attention

[MS3Shadow]

I'm going the cooling benefit when using the WMI injection with using less than <50% meth.

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[BMC]

Originally Posted by MD1032 Yes, I get the Sunoco "race" methanol for $4.00 a gallon...99.95% purity according to their COA (by the way, that's BS, I ran it through the GC at work and it's full of shit...but, I ran KF on it and the water content of the sample I tested was only like 0.26%, so I don't care). E85 is not really available in my area, but in the areas it's available, it's only like $2.00 a gallon, so, far cheaper. I filled up with 93 octane E10 gas today for $2.34 a gallon for reference. The biggest risk of running in-tank methanol is that it has been proven to swell the O-rings in our fuel systems by phate at 20% and up. I run a 20% mix, so technically I am risking this component of my car by continuing to do this. Methanol Direct Injection However, do I even NEED to begin listing all of the problems methanol injection is prone to, and enumerate how many L3-VDT's have been sacrificed to faulty nozzle-injected WMI systems?? So far the track record of in-tank is flawless (granted there are very few of us who do it). Sheston has been doing it for well over a year with great success. Having an o-ring go bad in your fuel system would be very bad and the repair would be a pain in the ass, however, it is very unlikely to cost you your engine like when a WMI system fails.

At the low ratio of meth we're running (12 to 15%), the o-rings shouldn't be an issue (knock on wood). We pay about $1.10 per litre of 91 octane and about $7.50 for a 3.78 litre jug of meth (that's a US gallon). It works out to a few dollars more per tank. If I pour it into the tank, I know it's going to get to where I want it to go. I don't have that same certainty with a meth kit. For now this works for me.