HTP vs JBR 3.5?

[exentix]

with a stock bpv it probably wouldnt have needed spaced at all. but my bracket lined up no problem, and my battery box is bolted back in. the cobb is pretty tall and it touched the filter just slightly. but like i said, in the instructions it says it may be necessary to space out depending on bpv.

[specvspeedfreak]

I'm running stock bpv

[dantes5823]

Fitment is what it is. Mine fine just fine on a bt setup. But granted my setup isnt like most. Once you go aftermarket things are never gonna be perfect. I do think that the bracket has on there should be removed.

Next point, tuning. Yes my car hated the jbr for whatever reason. I've tuned a bunch and everyone loves it. This includes a UK car. Right before i got rid of it i had actually just made good progress on the idle recovery issue. But the deal was made with a buyer and i got rid of it.

What i ended up doing was logging KOEO. In my case it was .64 or so. I filled interpolated from there to .9v and it improved quite a bit. After fire issues were still present but i think i might have stumbled across the source of that.

So it boils down to what you wanna buy. Would i recommend jbr wp? Yes, i have several times. I have had htp before and love their prices as well. I just personally haven't worked with their full intake and just had their TIP before.

As far as straighteners, do you need it? No. Ive had both jbr intake and a treadstone 3.5 maf and never needed a honey comb. Adding one didn't really do much if anything that i saw in drive ability. I do think that on the 4" you might actually need it. I haven't had one and unless i get a customer with one or get one donated to me for testing i cannot further comment on it.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by jbarone It looks like there are a few having issues with our intake and I will look in to it first thing in morning. I certainly wouldn't call it an epidemic though. I just finished making several this afternoon so I'll fit one on the car and check it out. It looks like fitment is no better with the HTP. The first one installed won't allow the battery box to go back together and I'm being accused of the quality control? I guess I could remove the mounting bracket from ours and it would be the exact same fitment as HTP? Let's take it easy here guys. This is a very large diameter pipe we're trying to stuff in to a very small area. Some effort to fit it is to be expected. This isn't a factory replacement SRI now is it? This is modding and some modding may be necessary. Are the gains not worth it? I think 40hp is worth a little rubbing on the battery box. I'll look in to our fitment tomorrow and if something needs to change I'll change it.

Did you not see the pictured I posted the battery box went together just fine it is just slightly tweaked maybe a 1/8 of an inch. Zoom in on the Top left corner of the battery box in my picture. You will see the slight tweek there. And unless you were looking for it you wouldn't notice.

Yes the htp doesn't have a mounting bracket but with the couplers tightened down I have no worries about it coming off. Hell the stock TIP just slipped off with a slight tug coupler and all off the turbo. I gave this intake a healthy tug before I out the battery box back in. Its not coming off of it.

I cannot speak to the fitment of your product. I have not installed one or helped installed one but I have seen several pictures of the issues mentioned.

All I can say is the @HTP; intake fit great for me and will fit even better when I pick up there battery tray.

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[caesura]

I have the JBR intake and I absolutely love it and will stand behind this product. Admittedly it was a hard install, mainly because you are trying to fit a huge pipe in a place where it is an extremely tight fit.. (that's what she said) Also for reference, I am still on the stock turbo.

As for the bracket issue, I did have a little trouble but if you are patient and find the right angle it will be a great fit. I did use some washers as spacers on the mounting spot to make it fit even better. After doing this it fit perfectly.

The intake has given me zero issues after I was properly tuned with it and I picked up a good amount of power just from tune and switching from Cobb. Probably about 20-30hp according to vd.

So I'm going against the grain and say get the JBR. I can't speak for HTP's products as I have never had any, they do look really high quality and the price is good, but JBR has had an almost perfect track record with their products, and Jamie always offers great customer service as well.

That's my 2 cents.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by caesura I have the JBR intake and I absolutely love it and will stand behind this product. Admittedly it was a hard install, mainly because you are trying to fit a huge pipe in a place where it is an extremely tight fit.. (that's what she said) Also for reference, I am still on the stock turbo. As for the bracket issue, I did have a little trouble but if you are patient and find the right angle it will be a great fit. I did use some washers as spacers on the mounting spot to make it fit even better. After doing this it fit perfectly. The intake has given me zero issues after I was properly tuned with it and I picked up a good amount of power just from tune and switching from Cobb. Probably about 20-30hp according to vd. So I'm going against the grain and say get the JBR. I can't speak for HTP's products as I have never had any, they do look really high quality and the price is good, but JBR has had an almost perfect track record with their products, and Jamie always offers great customer service as well. That's my 2 cents.

I can say the same exact thing with my HTP 3.5 intake. Except I didn't have to find the right angle for best fitment it just fit. Had 0 idle issues. Have had no drivability issue except back fires in occasion. Not saying Jamie makes bad parts or doesn't stand by them. I just think in this case HTP has edged him out. This is a good thing though. Competition gets us better products at lower prices

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[JBR]

Originally Posted by Deldran Did you not see the pictured I posted the battery box went together just fine it is just slightly tweaked maybe a 1/8 of an inch. Zoom in on the Top left corner of the battery box in my picture. You will see the slight tweek there. And unless you were looking for it you wouldn't notice. Yes the htp doesn't have a mounting bracket but with the couplers tightened down I have no worries about it coming off. Hell the stock TIP just slipped off with a slight tug coupler and all off the turbo. I gave this intake a healthy tug before I out the battery box back in. Its not coming off of it. I cannot speak to the fitment of your product. I have not installed one or helped installed one but I have seen several pictures of the issues mentioned. All I can say is the @HTP; intake fit great for me and will fit even better when I pick up there battery tray. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

Yes I did see the pictures and that's why I pointed out that the the HTP intake is hitting the battery box. This is what some are indicating is a major problem with our intake. I don't think it's a problem but clearly there are a few that think it is. I'm not knocking HTP, just pointing out the fitment similarity.

I thought adding the mounting bracket for those running a KO4 was a good idea, I guess not and I think I'll just eliminate it seeing as it isn't really needed and appears to be more of a headache.

[Redline143]

Originally Posted by Deldran I have the htp 3.5 and sorry that's a lie. Htp also ships with a k&n dry flow. I can't speak for the hoses and couplers but they all work fine. Fitment is great relocated the ecu temp to on top of the fuse box. Battery box doesn't go back together just right but its hard to notice. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I was only reporting what I was told. It's good to know that both intakes use high-quality filters. That makes it even more of a toss-up.

Wow, after putting up the OP, I'm realizing there is a LOT of interest about 3.5" intakes. Great discussion, everyone.

[Hamilton69]

this is a good thread, I don't have any experience with HTP, but Jaimie has been nothing but good to me in the couple times I've talked to him, as he said a few posts back, this isnt supposed to be a factory fitting piece like a SRI, it seems like a little work needs to be done with both intakes to get them to fit 100% right, maybe things can be done by the manufactureres to help with this though, either way, the problem seems minor when looking at the gains

[SleeperHatch]

HTP ALL MUTHAFUCKN DAY LONG!

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[Tokay444]

Jamie, yours pushes the batter box so far off it's mounting location that most people can only seem to get one of three mounting bolts back into the battery box.

[Dr. Speed]

I just wish someone made a 3" whale penis... I'd be all over that if they did. As it stands, I think I'll be getting a 3" TIP + 3" MAF housing + filter...

It seems weird that everyone jumped to making 3.5" and 4" full intakes... I realize that those are probably best for BT setups, but common consensus seems to be that anything BNR-sized and smaller (K04) is good with a 3"... and the 3" fits better... and there is less chance of slight bogging/idle issues. Just my thoughts...

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by jbarone Yes I did see the pictures and that's why I pointed out that the the HTP intake is hitting the battery box. This is what some are indicating is a major problem with our intake. I don't think it's a problem but clearly there are a few that think it is. I'm not knocking HTP, just pointing out the fitment similarity. I thought adding the mounting bracket for those running a KO4 was a good idea, I guess not and I think I'll just eliminate it seeing as it isn't really needed and appears to be more of a headache.

I don't know if there is enough room for a 3.5 inch intake to fit without touching the battery box at all. I think part of my box issue is the wires going into it from the same harness are distorting it more than need be. Getting a intake of that size fitting with the stock battery box I think might be a pipe dream. I am very happy with the fitment of my htp and imho i dont think it could get much but better.

I am sure you will take care of the issues you always do

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Originally Posted by Dr. Speed I just wish someone made a 3" whale penis... I'd be all over that if they did. As it stands, I think I'll be getting a 3" TIP + 3" MAF housing + filter... It seems weird that everyone jumped to making 3.5" and 4" full intakes... I realize that those are probably best for BT setups, but common consensus seems to be that anything BNR-sized and smaller (K04) is good with a 3"... and the 3" fits better... and there is less chance of slight bogging/idle issues. Just my thoughts...

That was the route I was going to go as well but 3.5 inch full intake is a better option for me. I am going to eventually go BT so I won't have to worry about getting a different intake when I do. That and they are about the same price as a diy 3".

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[JBR]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Jamie, yours pushes the batter box so far off it's mounting location that most people can only seem to get one of three mounting bolts back into the battery box.

Where are you getting this "most people" from? No one in this thread has has made any mention of not being able to install all the battery bolts. No one in the 15 plus page thread in our forum has mentioned this either. Do you have links you can share please? I've only received 1 email recently about the slight interference with the battery box. No one else has brought this to my attention so If you have information that I don't, please send it to me. I just finished fitting one intake I completed yesterday on both our GEN 1 and GEN 2 shop cars and there's about a 1/16 of an inch clearance on one and a pussy hair on the other. Based on what I'm reading here more are fitting well then not.

It looks to me like regardless of who you get the intake from it's gonna touch the battery box on some. Doesn't sound like a big problem though.

I'm gonna remove the mounting bracket from our intakes. This will resolve the difficulty installing it. I thought you guys would want it; I guess I was wrong.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Dr. Speed I just wish someone made a 3" whale penis... I'd be all over that if they did. As it stands, I think I'll be getting a 3" TIP + 3" MAF housing + filter... It seems weird that everyone jumped to making 3.5" and 4" full intakes... I realize that those are probably best for BT setups, but common consensus seems to be that anything BNR-sized and smaller (K04) is good with a 3"... and the 3" fits better... and there is less chance of slight bogging/idle issues. Just my thoughts...

There are full 3" intakes on the market that mate right up to the k04.

Originally Posted by specvspeedfreak lol It does fit.. just not right.. well for me with a tmic and stock bpv the filter end is mm's away from touching and the pipe it self is pushing against the battery tray way too much... I tried for 2 days to adjust it (did everything I could think of to make it right) but it's not 100%.. I gave up. I only have 2 bolts holding the tray down and angled the filter so it won't hit the bpv.. Next try would be slotting the holes to the tray and maybe adjusting the tmic and to get it to move a few for mm's.. either that or go HTP You said it a lot better than I did lol.. Listen to this guy lol

Originally Posted by jbarone Where are you getting this "most people" from? No one in this thread has has made any mention of not being able to install all the battery bolts. No one in the 15 plus page thread in our forum has mentioned this either. Do you have links you can share please? I've only received 1 email recently about the slight interference with the battery box. No one else has brought this to my attention so If you have information that I don't, please send it to me. I just finished fitting one intake I completed yesterday on both our GEN 1 and GEN 2 shop cars and there's about a 1/16 of an inch clearance on one and a pussy hair on the other. Based on what I'm reading here more are fitting well then not. It looks to me like regardless of who you get the intake from it's gonna touch the battery box on some. Doesn't sound like a big problem though. I'm gonna remove the mounting bracket from our intakes. This will resolve the difficulty installing it. I thought you guys would want it; I guess I was wrong.

Page one of this thread.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Page one of this thread.

That's one case and he's the guy that emailed me. Where's the "most people"?

[Tokay444]

I haven't met a person up here in Canada that hasn't had an issue yet.
Whether not they choose to make themselves know is up to them.
A lot of the time dealing across the border is too much of a pain in the ass to bother.

[JBR]

I'll look up our Canadian orders for these and contact them so I can get to the bottom of this. Most people have no problem complaining when there's a problem.

[Raider]

Because phones and Internet are so hard to work??

[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by jbarone This is a very large diameter pipe we're trying to stuff in to a very small area. Some effort to fit it is to be expected.

I feel your pain Jamie. My wife says the same damn thing! We just can't win! But take pride in cramming your large pipe into a small space!


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[Tokay444]

It's not as if the intake doesn't work. It does. It's just a mother fucker to get situated in an acceptable.
It's not the phone or the email that's the issue.
What's gonna happen, you're gonna want to see the intake. Shipping back to the states takes around 3-4 weeks. Diagnose in a day. Ship back another 2-4 weeks. It's a pain in the ass. Especially when the is finally shoe horned and providing more power.

[JBR]

3-4 weeks what ever man. 8 days max. Can't help if I know nothing about it and typically no one has a problem emailing, PM'ing or posting when there's a problem, so something is odd here.

I'll see what they say when I hear back from them.

[Tokay444]

Cool.

[dpolseno41]

I for one would like to see some good old fashioned fisticuffs.

[fywdyl]

I'm one of the Canadians that @Tokay444; was talking about. I have a BT so the fitment isn't perfect. Right now I'm only using one bolt to hold the battery box in place and the WP doesn't line up with the bracket. The filter is touching my BPV (HKS), but I don't think it'll cause an issue.

I didn't install the intake on the K04 nor did I have the HTP SRI to compare, but if you have a BT, don't expect the WP to fit perfectly.

As for the air straightener, it is probably a case by case thing. I tried running the car without the straightener and the car didn't like it very much so now I have a straightener installed. Still not perfect, but it's tolerable.

Having said that, the 3.5" does flow A LOT OF AIR.

[JBR]

The bracket was designed to fit the KO4, it was not designed to line up with any BT setup. It's just not possible. I'm also not too surprised you have a fitment issue with a BT either. I can't design something to work with every setup out there. What turbo are you running and could you post some pics please?

Also, what is your order #?

[fywdyl]

Originally Posted by jbarone The bracket was designed to fit the KO4, it was not designed to line up with any BT setup. It's just not possible. I'm also not too surprised you have a fitment issue with a BT either. I can't design something to work with every setup out there. What turbo are you running and could you post some pics please? Also, what is your order #?

That's understandable. Majority of the market is running the K04 and not a BT, I would cater to them too. Having said that, some fitment issues are not BT related (i.e. those running TMICs stock or otherwise, or cp-e FMIC, or some aftermarket BPVs). I also know one other guy that is running the WP on a K04 and had the same battery box issue as I did.

I'm running the GT3071, other mods are in sig.

Ordered through Fobio as part of a GB, so I don't have an order number.

Here are some pics:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...k-dsc_0096.jpg
http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...k-dsc_0094.jpg

[HTP]

We've done our best to make our 3.5" fit with the stock battery tray (with the ECU moved) but with so many different set-ups on the market it may have to be positioned to the point that it will contact the stock tray. For the best fitment we, of course, recommend our battery tray because it allows for full adjust-ability in any set up.
(Our 4" Intake is pictured below on the right installed with our battery tray...on the left, Matt illustrates the definition of "gaping" as he formally requested that the word "gaping" be used in this post)

;-)

We will be offering a package deal on our tray with our 3.5" and 4" intakes. We've also integrated a honeycomb air straightener for the best signal to the MAF. While the option to purchase our intakes without it will be offered, we strongly recommend it for the best results. I'll be posting up all the details and release information right after Christmas so you'll be able to find that in our section along with more pictures.

Merry Christmas!!!!!!


Katie

[Raider]

"I'm not using the intake how it was originally designed, it's the manufacturer's fault". What the fuck. This thread sucks.

[Tokay444]

Uhhh, wha?

[3Gee Tee]

Did JBR specifically state that this intake was designed only for the K04? If so, then no one should be complaining about fitment issues when they try to install it on their BT.


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[Tokay444]

People are having fitment issues regardless of turbo. Stock or otherwise.
Which is why I didn't understand raider's post.

[8.5MS3]

ive got HTP's battery box, Jamies Whale dick, and a gtx3071 sitting in my living room

they will go into the car in the spring and I will photograph everything

[dshrek]

I find it funny that when someone got the intake to fit perfectly with washers people still bashed the intake. Customizing a car will involve some custom work. The orientation of tubing and wiring harnesses can easily require slightly different routing. I had issues with some aftermarket parts rubbing on my car. Instead of complaining and calling people out I moved around couplings and added zip-ties or washers as necessary. Now my aftermarket parts fit without issue. The same can be done here. Why not just make it happen?

[Voltwings]

Well HTP sells a badass intake that fits (better*) with their badass battery box. They saw an issue and addressed it. Jamie, how bout a JBR battery box for your intake (or just in general)? I'll admit i'm a brand whore for both these guys, but in the end we are the consumers and a little (friendly!) competition is always going to be in our favor.

It's a delicate subject because we cant assume everyone working on their cars is a certified master mechanic, and they may be half assing these installs, and the last thing we want to do is blame our vendors for that as Raider stated. I personally know a guy @InFeXIoN running the JBR intake with stock battery box on his GTX3071r. Seems to fit pretty damn good, but i don't know if he had to do anything to make it fit. I also have personally installed one on a K04 and it needed... motivation to go in.

However, even stuffing a 3" intake back in that space because of where the coolant hoses fit is a fucking bitch, there is less than no room. So at the end of the day any intake larger than stock is going to take some work to shimmy in place, and when you take that whole side of the car apart to get it on, theres a good chance you may not put everything back perfect which could lead to some fitment issues. /thread.

[specvspeedfreak]

Originally Posted by dshrek I find it funny that when someone got the intake to fit perfectly with washers people still bashed the intake. Customizing a car will involve some custom work. The orientation of tubing and wiring harnesses can easily require slightly different routing. I had issues with some aftermarket parts rubbing on my car. Instead of complaining and calling people out I moved around couplings and added zip-ties or washers as necessary. Now my aftermarket parts fit without issue. The same can be done here. Why not just make it happen?

Okay lets have all our parts be held up by washers and zip ties than.. I get the fact his intake is not your standard 2.5"... Why JBR and HTP jumped straight into 3.5" over a 3" is another question... But shit is the way the pipe is angled makes it not clear nicely... Putting washers on mine just made the intake push against the tray even more and I could only use 1 battery tray bolt.

Regardless, I am going to try to tackle it once more when the weather clears up and I will hopefully get this where I am content with it.. I do not want to ship it back and play the waiting game at this point.

[fywdyl]

Guys, just so we're clear, I'm not bashing Jamie. I got it to fit, just not perfectly. What I would've liked to see was some more testing on different setups so that any issues can be addressed accordingly.

If it fit perfectly, why did htp make a slim battery tray?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by fywdyl That's understandable. Majority of the market is running the K04 and not a BT, I would cater to them too. Having said that, some fitment issues are not BT related (i.e. those running TMICs stock or otherwise, or cp-e FMIC, or some aftermarket BPVs). I also know one other guy that is running the WP on a K04 and had the same battery box issue as I did. I'm running the GT3071, other mods are in sig. Ordered through Fobio as part of a GB, so I don't have an order number. Here are some pics: http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...k-dsc_0096.jpg http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...k-dsc_0094.jpg

Likewise with the fitment on my GT3071; the mounting tab didn't line up. I didn't stress much about this though as I've gone so far with having to rig stuff in my engine bay (far from "fully bolted").

The tuning did/does prove to be a bit of a pain though. Getting the engine to come down to a proper steady state idle, though much better than when I first installed it, is a challenge. I didn't have this issue with my 3.5" custom ghetto intake w/o straightener.

[HTP]

Originally Posted by specvspeedfreak ... Why JBR and HTP jumped straight into 3.5" over a 3" is another question...

We offer a 3" turbo inlet pipe and have for some time. We never bothered to sell a full 3" because most people already had a larger MAF housing. We made a full 3" and shelved it because of the lack of interest but recently we've had a lot of e-mails for them, so the jig has been dusted off and the hum of the welder can be heard.

Originally Posted by fywdyl If it fit perfectly, why did htp make a slim battery tray?

We made the 51R battery tray because the MS3 engine bay is a cluster fuck. Lol


-Matt

[JBR]

Originally Posted by 3Gee Tee Did JBR specifically state that this intake was designed only for the K04? If so, then no one should be complaining about fitment issues when they try to install it on their BT. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It was specifically designed for the KO4, it even says that in the first lines of the instructions.