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CWP_MS3 05-14-2012 02:35 PM

Laser Jammers
 
Can anyone validate how well laser jammers work? I'm looking into a couple different brands, specifically the Escort Qi45 or some shit like that. Just wondering if anyone owns a jammer and has it ever saved your ass?

Thanks in advance.

btstarcher 05-14-2012 02:42 PM

The only ones worth a shit are Blinders. The new ones that use laser diode LED's should be excellent, but even the older models worked except for the close range "punch through." I think he's an approved vendor here.

Check out RadarRoy for independent test. I haven't been there in awhile, but there was good information there.

adlpb 05-14-2012 02:44 PM

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CosmicArkie 05-14-2012 04:31 PM

I've got the M27 Blinder kit.

I absolutely guarantee it works.

70 in a 50 when I was hit. Had the warning up so loud that by the time the wife came
down off the headliner I was under 50 and turned it off. Left the LEO sitting up on the
on ramp looking at his gun/me/gun/me.

Wish I'd have had a vid camera. Priceless.

TriO 05-14-2012 04:37 PM

haha nice ^^

the thing that worries me is that if a copper catches you speeding and your laser jammer actually does work. if he is a dick and thinks you were over the limit or even worse using a jammer he will just pull you over anyway

Raider 05-14-2012 04:45 PM

FYI, they are AV here, too.

CWP_MS3 05-15-2012 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicArkie (Post 1414696)
I've got the M27 Blinder kit.

I absolutely guarantee it works.

70 in a 50 when I was hit. Had the warning up so loud that by the time the wife came
down off the headliner I was under 50 and turned it off. Left the LEO sitting up on the
on ramp looking at his gun/me/gun/me.

Wish I'd have had a vid camera. Priceless.

That's some funny shit.

Do you need a radar detector in addition to that, or is there a radar detector integrated with that particular jammer system? I know some are separate.

I've read that jammers are only illegal in a handful of states. Why turn it off it its not illegal in your state? Doesn't sound like there's much they can do about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriO (Post 1414703)
haha nice ^^

the thing that worries me is that if a copper catches you speeding and your laser jammer actually does work. if he is a dick and thinks you were over the limit or even worse using a jammer he will just pull you over anyway

I know some states have a VAS (Visual Assessment of Speed) law. I don't know how well that shit holds up in court though.

outshined 05-15-2012 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 (Post 1415449)
That's some funny shit.

Do you need a radar detector in addition to that, or is there a radar detector integrated with that particular jammer system? I know some are separate.

I've read that jammers are only illegal in a handful of states. Why turn it off it its not illegal in your state? Doesn't sound like there's much they can do about it.



I know some states have a VAS (Visual Assessment of Speed) law. I don't know how well that shit holds up in court though.

You should have a detector in addition to the jammers. The system I have experience with worked 100% of the time but required an external detector to actually provide warning of a laser hit. For that job I recommend Valentine 1 all day long.

You turn it off after you slow quickly down to the speed limit to make the LEO think it was an error on his part or in his equipment. If you jam the entire time, then it'd pretty obvious what's going on. The cops know about jammers and will pull you over if you blatantly jam their gun; it becomes even more obvious after you drive by and they can suddenly lock on to the side and rear of your vehicle. While they are not technically illegal in most states you can be cited for various violations up to and including obstruction of justice. Whether or not they hold up in court is another thing altogether.

The system I've used has a "parking aid" mode which works as a rudimentary perimeter alarm. I'm sure you can imagine what that could be used for when approached by a curious and/or pissed off cop...

CWP_MS3 05-15-2012 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by outshined (Post 1415487)
You should have a detector in addition to the jammers. The system I have experience with worked 100% of the time but required an external detector to actually provide warning of a laser hit. For that job I recommend Valentine 1 all day long.

You turn it off after you slow quickly down to the speed limit to make the LEO think it was an error on his part or in his equipment. If you jam the entire time, then it'd pretty obvious what's going on. The cops know about jammers and will pull you over if you blatantly jam their gun; it becomes even more obvious after you drive by and they can suddenly lock on to the side and rear of your vehicle. While they are not technically illegal in most states you can be cited for various violations up to and including obstruction of justice. Whether or not they hold up in court is another thing altogether.

The system I've used has a "parking aid" mode which works as a rudimentary perimeter alarm. I'm sure you can imagine what that could be used for when approached by a curious and/or pissed off cop...

I've seen those as well. The escort Qi45 doesn't say much about the system on the website I was looking at, but it looks like the same sort of deal (just a jammer). What jammer are you using?

For those who are interested; you can look up your state to see their laws on jammers and radar detectors, if you don't already know.

Helpful Information About Radar Busters - RadarBusters.com

outshined 05-15-2012 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 (Post 1415543)
I've seen those as well. The escort Qi45 doesn't say much about the system on the website I was looking at, but it looks like the same sort of deal (just a jammer). What jammer are you using?

Laser Interceptor.

Here is a link to a good jammer test:

Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR - LASER

btstarcher 05-15-2012 07:41 AM

FWIW I looked at some test results; that Escort Qi45 didn't perform nearly as well as the Blinders. Here's a test of the Escort:

Review: Escort Passport Qi45 radar detector

Here's a test of the Blinders (old test; the new ones should perform even better):

Active Laser Jamming Tests - RadarBusters.com

CWP_MS3 05-15-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 1415616)
FWIW I looked at some test results; that Escort Qi45 didn't perform nearly as well as the Blinders. Here's a test of the Escort:

Review: Escort Passport Qi45 radar detector

Here's a test of the Blinders (old test; the new ones should perform even better):

Active Laser Jamming Tests - RadarBusters.com

I think I just realized that you have to have the Qi45 Radar detector to even get the shifter packs. Meaning, all said and done, you're looking at a grand. And from my understanding, you can run the Blinders $409 kit just by itself.

Or am I missing something? More or less, I can't go pissing away a fuck ton of money that I don't have. And realistically, not that I'm proud to say it or anything, but I'm never going to drive the speed limit. Its impossible for me to drive the speed limit, every where, every time.

btstarcher 05-15-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by outshined (Post 1415570)
Laser Interceptor.

Here is a link to a good jammer test:

Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR - LASER


That's a good one too. I'm pretty hyped about the new Laser Diode LED's used in the Blinders; much higher output.

atvfreek 05-15-2012 07:46 AM

Subbed!

outshined 05-15-2012 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 1415621)
That's a good one too. I'm pretty hyped about the new Laser Diode LED's used in the Blinders; much higher output.

Indeed, they should prove to perform quite well. I have not looked at the blinder stuff in a while so if you have any personal feedback please do post about them.

btstarcher 05-15-2012 08:28 AM

I wish....I can't afford them. Besides, not much Lidar in Arkansas. I can only quote tests/reviews.

CWP_MS3 05-15-2012 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicArkie (Post 1414696)
I've got the M27 Blinder kit.

I absolutely guarantee it works.

70 in a 50 when I was hit. Had the warning up so loud that by the time the wife came
down off the headliner I was under 50 and turned it off. Left the LEO sitting up on the
on ramp looking at his gun/me/gun/me.

Wish I'd have had a vid camera. Priceless.

So do you have to have a radar detector to run them and get notification of someone shooting laser, or can you just buy the m27 kit and that be all?

CosmicArkie 05-15-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 (Post 1415449)
That's some funny shit.

Do you need a radar detector in addition to that, or is there a radar detector integrated with that particular jammer system? I know some are separate.

I've read that jammers are only illegal in a handful of states. Why turn it off it its not illegal in your state? Doesn't sound like there's much they can do about it.



I know some states have a VAS (Visual Assessment of Speed) law. I don't know how well that shit holds up in court though.


As some others have indicated, you need a multi-band detector like the V-1 or
STI Driver. I was in MI and was under the impression that detectors were illegal there,
so I had gotten an STI Driver (invisible to detector detectors). Yeah, it was going off, too,
but not nearly as loudly as the Blinder.

I run the V-1 most of the time cause I'm used to the arrows.

Matx 05-15-2012 02:44 PM

I'll be pulling a QI45 off my car this week....

CWP_MS3 05-15-2012 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicArkie (Post 1416353)
As some others have indicated, you need a multi-band detector like the V-1 or
STI Driver. I was in MI and was under the impression that detectors were illegal there,
so I had gotten an STI Driver (invisible to detector detectors). Yeah, it was going off, too,
but not nearly as loudly as the Blinder.

I run the V-1 most of the time cause I'm used to the arrows.

So the Blinder will beep or something if a cop is shooting laser at your car then? What I'm trying to get at is; if the Blinders can be hooked up and functional without a radar detector, and will go off when someone is shooting a laser at your car, then in theory a radar detector is useless.

I'm just trying to understand because you stated that you need a radar detector, but that the blinder was going off, which to me would mean that you technically don't need a radar detector to have a functioning Blinder jammer. Unless I'm missing the fact that the Blinder can't function without a radar detector for one reason or another.

Hit Redline 05-16-2012 01:27 AM

I have run with a Laser Interceptor for years and have had many saves. In fact two in the last 2 days, today I got the look at laser gun, my car, laser gun. I was obviously over the limit 90 something with decent traffic.

When I had this on my BMW X5 it worked from less than 200ft.

The Laser Interceptor works independently from a radar detector with audible warnings so it could be used stand alone, but I run with a V1 as well.

Hit Redline 05-16-2012 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicArkie (Post 1414696)
I've got the M27 Blinder kit.

I absolutely guarantee it works.

70 in a 50 when I was hit. Had the warning up so loud that by the time the wife came
down off the headliner I was under 50 and turned it off. Left the LEO sitting up on the
on ramp looking at his gun/me/gun/me.

Wish I'd have had a vid camera. Priceless.

Thats funny as my wife and other passengers have responded the same way. With the laser jammer going and the V1 alerting when you get tagged it sounds like you should be looking for an eject button.

You have any issues with the damn Infinity cars with the active cruise control that uses laser for measuring distance? I have jamming for the rear as well and it drives me nuts when these dudes are behind me. Just hope its reeking havoc for them when I am jamming them.

btstarcher 05-16-2012 05:50 AM

You need a radar detector to detect....uhhh.....radar. These laser jammers only jam laser. Jamming laser isn't illegal in most states. Jamming radar is.

CWP_MS3 05-16-2012 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btstarcher (Post 1417409)
You need a radar detector to detect....uhhh.....radar. These laser jammers only jam laser. Jamming laser isn't illegal in most states. Jamming radar is.

I don't know of anyone who still uses radar. We have speed cameras here that shoot radar, but we also have signs that say where they are. Lol.

SRTie4k 05-16-2012 06:16 AM

I've read that the laser jammers have no effect on adaptive cruise control systems. I imagine they are not in the same spectrum as law enforcement grade lasers, although they'll still set off the warning.

btstarcher 05-16-2012 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 (Post 1417417)
I don't know of anyone who still uses radar. We have speed cameras here that shoot radar, but we also have signs that say where they are. Lol.

All I have is radar; there's hardly any lidar here. It might come some day, but this is hillbilly heaven.

jack_hammer 05-16-2012 07:28 AM

fuck a laser jammer. you need a laser cat!


CosmicArkie 05-16-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CWP_MS3 (Post 1416394)
So the Blinder will beep or something if a cop is shooting laser at your car then? What I'm trying to get at is; if the Blinders can be hooked up and functional without a radar detector, and will go off when someone is shooting a laser at your car, then in theory a radar detector is useless.

I'm just trying to understand because you stated that you need a radar detector, but that the blinder was going off, which to me would mean that you technically don't need a radar detector to have a functioning Blinder jammer. Unless I'm missing the fact that the Blinder can't function without a radar detector for one reason or another.

If all the LEO's were using was laser, you'd be right. The M27 doesn't do squat for radar.
The reason the wife overreacted was I had the volume of the Blinder set too high.

So, in a nutshell, if all you are worried about is laser, go with the Blinder, it will warn you.
Everything else, KA, K, Pop, etc., you need something additional.

btstarcher 05-16-2012 01:01 PM

I doubt all the troopers in MD are using laser; that shit is expensive!

woodfloor 05-20-2012 10:07 AM

I've been running an Escort 8500 x50 for a little while and I'm looking at buying a laser jammer because the State Patrol and my local town have both recently switched the LIDAR. What do you guys think of the Escort radar detectors? I bought it because it was the #1 on Amazon a few months back. It's been great but now I'm interested in what the V1 and such can do.

hung380 05-20-2012 02:13 PM

Laser interceptor releases updates often. Dont know about blinders.

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