Look at this crock of shit from a local Ford dealer....

[Mclovin80]

Craigslist: 2013 FORD FOCUS ST's http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/3350047604.html

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[S-hendrix]

How much you want to bet he's never driven the speed or gti...

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[ThizSpeed3]

i read the new car and drive or some car mag and the speed3 placed 2nd,

st vs gti vs speed3

[Weathamane]

Haters be Haten!!

[lilred]

Someone go drive it then ask for a roll race against your speed since it will beat it all day long

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[Keko]

Originally Posted by ThizSpeed3 i read the new car and drive or some car mag and the speed3 placed 2nd, st vs gti vs speed3

Actually the ms3 got 3rd. But the results make it seem like a grandma was driving it.

[Boosten Ya(josh)]

Let ppl buy the st. Then we will laugh at them Everytime we beast them.

[Mclovin80]

Without competition driving would be boring. I just don't like false advertising.

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[Spiral1183]

I doubt the salesman really gives a shit what this car can do, he just wants to make his sales numbers go up. Those seats look really comfortable though

[Dr. Speed]

Wow. What a load of crap

[Chuthor]

Originally Posted by Spiral1183 I doubt the salesman really gives a shit what this car can do, he just wants to make his sales numbers go up. Those seats look really comfortable though

I was a bit envious of the seats when I sat in one the other day, they are pretty comfy. I'm not the biggest fan of how the back end looks though.

[tddvrrn]

Originally Posted by Chuthor I was a bit envious of the seats when I sat in one the other day, they are pretty comfy. I'm not the biggest fan of how the back end looks though.

i'm completely jellis of the seats..

i do like the rear as well as the grill, but the front and sides just look off. ah, what the fuck ever.

and i don't see how a ms3 could lose to a gti and st, the car and driver driver must have been retard.

[forcedinduktion]

How the fuck does a POS ST get recaros and we dont?

[Tacheny]

Who really gives a shit? Once it hits the play ground we'll all hear this, "Just wait for the SVT version..."

[Spec]

Should call them, ask how much extra for vtec and twin turbo's

[moomooz12]

The ST's interior looks NICE!
I prefer the exterior look of the MS3 tho.

[Spiral1183]

Originally Posted by tddvrrn i'm completely jellis of the seats.. i do like the rear as well as the grill, but the front and sides just look off. ah, what the fuck ever. and i don't see how a ms3 could lose to a gti and st, the car and driver driver must have been retard.

From what I have seen and heard, stock to stock it's mostly a drivers race between the ST and MS3, right?

[Chuthor]

Originally Posted by forcedinduktion How the fuck does a POS ST get recaros and we dont?

QFT!!! I mean our seats are pretty nice and comfortable, but man I never knew recaros were like that. Plunk that in a MS3 and it'd be perfect.

Anyone check out the steering wheel on the ST? I thought they did a good job with it as well. I also prefer the exterior of the MS3 greatly, yes even the pu.

[lug]

Originally Posted by Spiral1183 From what I have seen and heard, stock to stock it's mostly a drivers race between the ST and MS3, right?

Yep,...until you hit about 90 mph. After that, the MS3 runs away, noticeable better top end.

[Spiral1183]

Personal preference, but I like the exterior pretty well, definitely more than a pu. I think Ford did a pretty good job with it overall.

[MazdaBoy2.3]

I stopped at a ford dealer to pick up some Motorcraft, and checked out the ST they had.

I can tell you for a fact that the seats in that thing put ours to shame...

[tddvrrn]

Originally Posted by Spiral1183 From what I have seen and heard, stock to stock it's mostly a drivers race between the ST and MS3, right?

huh, i thought the ms3 was more powerful stock than the st. ah well, i am learning every day.

i guess it's not surprising the ms3 is starting to fall behind in the hot hatch category. i mean, it has been out for 5 years and has been at the top of every list for almost the whole time. i think people were getting bored of it, and the st is nicely done. i think ford did a great job. i'm interested to see how they pan out once they've been around for a while.

[Spec]

That's not the case. Fabricated numbers and made up results for the test. At best on a perfect day, the broke even. Falling behind is far from the truth SIR!

[lug]

Originally Posted by tddvrrn huh, i thought the ms3 was more powerful stock than the st. ah well, i am learning every day.

On paper, yes. On a dyno, no.

[dsmluck]

The ST won the comparison in C&D by a wide margin. The biggest factor seemed to be the neutral handling characteristics. Apparently you can get the back end out mash the gas and pull through a corner. The MS3 and GTI understeer when pushed hard. For someone who enjoys corners its huge for drag racers it doesn't matter. Either way I can't see how anyone would diss that car...

[tddvrrn]

Originally Posted by dsmluck The ST won the comparison in C&D by a wide margin. The biggest factor seemed to be the neutral handling characteristics. Apparently you can get the back end out mash the gas and pull through a corner. The MS3 and GTI understeer when pushed hard. For someone who enjoys corners its huge for drag racers it doesn't matter. Either way I can't see how anyone would diss that car...

i guess i'll have to drive one and see..

still, it's not like the ms3 is lacking in the handling category.. i outdrive people all the time on the twisties around here. although that is prolly more to do with the other driver being a scared turdball.

[dbrier]

If I were a Ford dealer, I'd say the same thing and have a copy of the C&D article in every ST in the showroom.
This is about sales, not truth.

[KyleMS32010]

WTB those seats

[eb2292]

lol @ ford

Those things are fugly.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by dbrier If I were a Ford dealer, I'd say the same thing and have a copy of the C&D article in every ST in the showroom. This is about sales, not truth.

Ah ok since you have more seat time in a Focus ST than C&D why don't you enlighten us to the truth about the handling between the two cars.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by eb2292 lol @ ford Those things are fugly.

A Genpu owner dissing the styling of another vehicle? Lol!

[lito37]

Ford is doing the same Dodge did withe there flexfuel trucks. They are giving the consumer Hp Torque numbers base on testing with 100% E85, and we all now the difference on running 93 ans E85. At boost target set at 17.4 and only being able to maintaining 270 tork for 15 min at a time I will stick to my genpu.

"the ST model gets the 2.0-liter EcoBoost engine with all of its accompanying tech features: high-pressure direct fuel injection, turbocharging and twin independent variable camshaft timing. All of that adds up to 252 hp and 270 lb-ft of torque, with a trick overboost feature that allows for extending that peak torque for 15 seconds at a time."

Read more: 2013 Ford Focus ST: Drive review - Autoweek

[Roddiy]

LOL

I just realized in the Road & Track tests they revved the MS3 all the way to 7,400 rpm...


No wonder they got 6.5 sec 0-60s.


DId anyone else catch that?

[Keko]

Originally Posted by dsmluck The ST won the comparison in C&D by a wide margin. The biggest factor seemed to be the neutral handling characteristics. Apparently you can get the back end out mash the gas and pull through a corner. The MS3 and GTI understeer when pushed hard. For someone who enjoys corners its huge for drag racers it doesn't matter. Either way I can't see how anyone would diss that car...

The driver in the ms3 for the C&D article was a terrible driver.

Originally Posted by Roddiy LOL I just realized in the Road & Track tests they revved the MS3 all the way to 7,400 rpm... No wonder they got 6.5 sec 0-60s. DId anyone else catch that?

Yeah. That article is such bullshit.

"The Mazda engine is strong, but by the time it’s approaching its 6700 rpm redline it’s starting to tail off," No fucking shit, why were you driving it to 6700 anyways??
"and heading beyond to the 7400 rpm rev limiter doesn’t do much good." - Are you serious?

[Roddiy]

Originally Posted by Keko The driver in the ms3 for the C&D article was a terrible driver. Yeah. That article is such bullshit. "The Mazda engine is strong, but by the time it’s approaching its 6700 rpm redline it’s starting to tail off," No fucking shit, why were you driving it to 6700 anyways?? "and heading beyond to the 7400 rpm rev limiter doesn’t do much good." - Are you serious?

Read all the comments below, multiple people called R&T Over their ford "Advertisement" which is what this article was.


They literally contradicted every other review they've posted on the MS3, if you go back a year they stated 6-sec 0-60s

Aside from other reviews such as Edmunds and Car&Driver which put the MS3 doing 0-60 in 5.6 sec and 1/4 at 14.1 sec and the ST doing 6.5sec/15sec respectively.

[PonchoKid]

I test drove the ST and for what its worth it is a great car. The Recaros are awesome and the My Touch system that Ford has is nice. Having the option for a sunroof is a nice bonus as well. My only gripe is that to get the Recaros you have to upgrade to the ST2 package and 27k is a little steep for the car.

The steering is extremely responsive and the motor makes a nice growl. Definitely a lot more refined than the Speed and the interior is far better. Overall it's a nice car. But to me you can live without having the $2,500 tech package in the Speed where as the ST you can't live without the $2,300 ST2 package.

[KennyG]

Originally Posted by Mclovin80 Craigslist: 2013 FORD FOCUS ST's 2013 FORD FOCUS ST's Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G

Now that's a joke, and look at the price. I can't wait to blast by one on the road.

[dbrier]

Originally Posted by dsmluck Ah ok since you have more seat time in a Focus ST than C&D why don't you enlighten us to the truth about the handling between the two cars.

Uh, did you even read my post?

[jseams]

Everybody keeps saying Car and Driver - the article was Road and Track (same publisher, diff mag)...

Car and Driver has a "first drive" article on the ST, but unless I've completely missed my sub delivery and missed it on their website, no comparo has been done yet. I'd be surprised if C/D didn't wait until they had equivelent year models to test.

I'm still not sure about how unbiased it will be, Ford seems to have dug it's talons in deep. But we'll see...

[JT.Tuckerman]

Well I think the ST looks pretty cool- enough to maybe buy one, since I love hot hatches any way. So, I'll settle it when I take on my own Speed 3- my son in the Speed 3- which I will give to him. He drives just like me anyway since, well I taught him to drive with performance in mind....and I'll drive the ST. Boy that will be fun. If I buy one and do this, I'll report back.