Look at this crock of shit from a local Ford dealer....

[NOreasonY]

Originally Posted by dsmluck Would you be saying that if the Speed 3 won? The ST is legit. What ever happened to being a car guy first and foremost? I seriously don't get how any MS3 driver can hate on this car. It is very close to being a MS3 with a better interior.... And that "Furd" is a European Ford nothing like the Ford shitboxes from years ago.

THIS.^^^^^

I just hear a lot shit talking butt hurt ppl for no reason. Trash a Si or whatever all you want but like was said the ST is a legit car. As a former focus owner and forum go-er i know on the focus forums the MS3 is a well respected and welcomed car. You gotta figure the speed 3 is 5 years old and now its got more comp. Im sure the next gen will catch back up and be a top choice as it always has been.

We all have our needs and wants in a car and if the MS3 does it for you (like it did me) then you go with it. It really sounds like a lot of jealous ppl over a car that is new to the market and they cant afford the switch.

Just love what you got and move on.

[Keko]

Originally Posted by NOreasonY THIS.^^^^^ I just hear a lot shit talking butt hurt ppl for no reason. Trash a Si or whatever all you want but like was said the ST is a legit car. As a former focus owner and forum go-er i know on the focus forums the MS3 is a well respected and welcomed car. You gotta figure the speed 3 is 5 years old and now its got more comp. Im sure the next gen will catch back up and be a top choice as it always has been. We all have our needs and wants in a car and if the MS3 does it for you (like it did me) then you go with it. It really sounds like a lot of jealous ppl over a car that is new to the market and they cant afford the switch. Just love what you got and move on.

I think people were more butthurt (like myself) that the MS3 was misrepresented in the comparisons so far. This caused quite a few of the ST people to become snobby as well.

[NOreasonY]

Originally Posted by Keko I think people were more butthurt (like myself) that the MS3 was misrepresented in the comparisons so far. This caused quite a few of the ST people to become snobby as well.

I didnt read the article myself, but I agree that reading these articles sometimes makes you wonder what these peoples backgrounds are. Im aiming mainly at some who are just making themselves sound like fanboys that bash all opposition.

[jack_hammer]

i think the biggest reason the guy says it beats the ms3 and gti is because he was spamming his ad with keywords without being obvious.

someone searches for gti and sees the st ad.

[lug]

Originally Posted by Keko I think people were more butthurt (like myself) that the MS3 was misrepresented in the comparisons so far. This caused a very few of the ST people to become snobby as well.

FTFY


Seriously, I've seen very little bashing on the MS3 on the ST forums but a lot of claims to that effect here. Sure there is the occasional idiot 16 year old that knows nothing about the MS3, but most of the people there know the ST wouldn't exist in it's current form if the MS3 didn't push Ford on the performance side a bit. It would probably have been only about 5% more powerful than the GTI and have more cup holders.

[Mclovin80]

I doubt we will see as many production years out of the ST as we have for the MS3. I just hope Mazda has a nice comeback in 2014 now that the competition has finally caught on.

Sent from Cloud 9

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by Spec I think more people would still lean towards names they know in the awd category. Evo's and sti's have that market cornered and not many people even know wtf an rs is much less are going to spend that kind of cheddar on a focus. Die hard fans would obviously buy it and people looking for an alternative. At the end of the day more people are going to buy an existing well-known platform over a focus. The name is synonymous with a piece of shit here. Europe has had them for a while so it's a no brainer. They'll probably see how we'll the ST does before even considering bringing the rs. I'd definitely consider it because I'm married , I couldn't imagine going on a date and picking up a girl in a focus. They would probably laugh you off of the recaro.

You must be young. None of the cars in the mid 20's price range attract women over the age of 20. If you want to impress a woman with your car you drive an audi or BMW, something that says money and refinement. Cars like the MS3, WRX, ST, GTI all basically look similar to their bargain basement eco shit box cousins. You drive those cars because they offer great performance and practicality for the price. Besides the size of your dick, wallet, or existance of an actual personality is much more imporant to a date than what you drive.

[Spec]

While ill agree an Audi or bimmer is more impressive to a lady. Not many 20 year old guys can afford them. So.... Yea I understand what you're saying but, it's a bit out of context. Now if you mean women over 30, that's a different story.

[vtekken]

I just flagged his post as spam. Dickweed.

[El_Diablo]

The reason the RS is not in the US as of now is due to the fact that the higher ups in Ford want proof that a hot hatch will sell to the US in large enough numbers to make it worth the expense. If sucessful with the ST, i expect to see an RS in the next 2-3 years in atleast an auto show here stateside. I'm honestly not sure that we will see a production version before the next body refresh which is happening on average every 3 years with ford currently.

Side note, we just got our ST here at the dealership but it hasn't been inspected yet, as soon as its road ready I might try and take it for a spin. I can assure you that atleast our dealership will NOT have a markup. My wifes dealership on the other hand..... they had around a 2-3k markup (and haven't had any interest in a month). But then again, she does work for the guy who marked up his Shelby GT500KR to $120k when it first came out.

[Mizzle]

None of this matters if they make an AWD Speed 6 wagon...

I'm hoping the more I say it, the more likely it'll happen.

[Neuspeed]

Originally Posted by Mclovin80 Craigslist: 2013 FORD FOCUS ST's 2013 FORD FOCUS ST's Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G

Why is this a crock of shit? The ST is a newer car... Of course it outperforms our car.

I just don't get why so many people in here get so offended about a newer car outperforming our aging platform, that's how progress should work right? Actually I feel hopeful with all these new sporty cars coming out (ST, BRZ, etc..) because I'm sure Mazda is going to take note and step up their game. I can hope for a turbocharged Skyactive on a very light body making it very efficient and more solid.

[jseams]

Originally Posted by Neuspeed Why is this a crock of shit? The ST is a newer car... Of course it outperforms our car....

So, newer cars always outperform older cars? So a genpu is better in all areas compared to a genwon?

People are pissed because the numbers for the MS3 (and the GTI) were misrepresented in the R&T article and that is what that dealer is using as his basis for his claim... they not only misrepresented the performance of the MS3 and GTI but also, compared to ALL THE OTHER reviews and tests greatly exaggerated the performance the the ST.

Nobody cares about subjective claims about which car is "better" - everybody cares about the numbers... and they pulled those numbers out of their asses.

[Spec]

Originally Posted by jseams out of their asses.

Out of their asses, SIR!

[Neuspeed]

Originally Posted by jseams So, newer cars always outperform older cars? So a genpu is better in all areas compared to a genwon? People are pissed because the numbers for the MS3 (and the GTI) were misrepresented in the R&T article and that is what that dealer is using as his basis for his claim... they not only misrepresented the performance of the MS3 and GTI but also, compared to ALL THE OTHER reviews and tests greatly exaggerated the performance the the ST. Nobody cares about subjective claims about which car is "better" - everybody cares about the numbers... and they pulled those numbers out of their asses.

OK OK it is not a rule BUT it is usually how it goes... In the case of the genpu vs. genwon some performance, styling, interior and handling was compromised in order to make the other parts better... LMAO (I don't even believe my own bullshit, sorry man)

I think that car magazines are full of shit anyway... I really don't get why they keep testing cars in that way. For example 0 to 60 times are not useful to me anymore since I don't drag race on my way to work or store.

[Spec]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Keko]

Originally Posted by Neuspeed OK OK it is not a rule BUT it is usually how it goes... In the case of the genpu vs. genwon some performance, styling, interior and handling was compromised in order to make the other parts better... LMAO (I don't even believe my own bullshit, sorry man) I think that car magazines are full of shit anyway... I really don't get why they keep testing cars in that way. For example 0 to 60 times are not useful to me anymore since I don't drag race on my way to work or store.

So you don't trust what magazines say, yet you think the ST outperforms the MS3. Ok bud.

[phahengpro]

I like the Ricaros and the centered exhaust but other than that I'll take two......one to shit on and the other to cover it up with. I saw them comparing the MS3 and the RS500. They were really pumping the Ford. It is like comparing the MS3 to the Evo or STI. You talk about the difference between a $150,000 and $160,000 and there is not much, but when you compare a $25,000 car to a $35,000 car you would expect some bigger jumps in performance.

[Redline143]

Originally Posted by dsmluck A Genpu owner dissing the styling of another vehicle? Lol!

Genpu's are gorgeous... definitely my preference (and why I chose one)... though I realize that my opinion is in the minority; at least here, anyways...

[DFC300]

sent while driving

Shit couldn't type, anyways, wtf is this ^?
Did he have a pistol up his ass?


sent while driving

[jseams]

Originally Posted by Redline143 Genpu's are gorgeous... definitely my preference (and why I chose one)... though I realize that my opinion is in the minority; at least here, anyways...

I also think the Genpu is a better looking car - but like you said, not exactly the most "common" sentiment. lo

[El_Diablo]

Genpu is a far better looking car.... genjuan is more like an old honda with a hitler stash, lol... ms6 and genpu for me. That was one of the reasons I went with the ms3 over the st, the ms3 looks far better than the ST.

[Neuspeed]

Originally Posted by Keko So you don't trust what magazines say, yet you think the ST outperforms the MS3. Ok bud.

Better looking, better interior, better seats, more efficient engine, better use of power across the board... Yes, I think the ST outperforms the MS3. No need to read a magazine to come to this conclusion.

[Keko]

Originally Posted by Neuspeed Better looking, better interior, better seats, more efficient engine, better use of power across the board... Yes, I think the ST outperforms the MS3. No need to read a magazine to come to this conclusion.

Yep that's def performance

[Neuspeed]

Originally Posted by Keko Yep that's def performance

Recaro seats perform way better than the shitty ones on the genpu. If you disagree then you are a happy genpu owner, whatever floats your boat man.

[Neuspeed]

Originally Posted by Spec What the fuck are you talking about?

Be more specific. What didn't you understand?

[torq]

Having to see a ford badge on my steering wheel would be enough to make me sell it.

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by torq Having to see a ford badge on my steering wheel would be enough to make me sell it.

Funny considering your already driving a fucking Ford Lol.

Ford > all. I'll be that way till the day I die!

Sent using my EVO LTE

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by torq Having to see a ford badge on my steering wheel would be enough to make me sell it.

God damn. Go look at your brake calipers and then drive your car off a cliff. Tells me you haven't really dug into your car or taken shit apart.

You do know what FoMoCo means right??

[anavrinIV]

IMO, the more I see the ST the less I like the looks. The interior is a muddled mess of screens and buttons that's just overkill. The recaros may be great if you're not built like a lineman like i am...they'd be unlivable as a DD.

performance wise, they may out-torque the MS3 from the factory, that's really indisputable. But if you plan on making big power, the ST will take more to get there. If the electronics can't handle the additional power then it's time to start replacing them with mechanical parts, which will be expensive. time will tell how long the stock clutch and tranny will hold.

I'm not dissing the ST, I like the competition. I will never have the fastest car on the road, but I know that mine is a much more comfortable place for me to be in. And the best part is that if I wanted to run 500 hp in my car I could order all the parts tomorrow to do it.

[El_Diablo]

One thing i think worth noting, SVT has had a hand in building the ST. SVT does not have a habit of sitting around with the same thing year after year. If allowed they will attempt to increase performance in one way or another throughout the entire production run.

[torq]

Originally Posted by dsmluck God damn. Go look at your brake calipers and then drive your car off a cliff. Tells me you haven't really dug into your car or taken shit apart. You do know what FoMoCo means right??

I know there are ford parts in there, doesn't mean I have to like it!

Having it in your face is a different story.

[Micha]

Originally Posted by dsmluck God damn. Go look at your brake calipers and then drive your car off a cliff. Tells me you haven't really dug into your car or taken shit apart. You do know what FoMoCo means right??

For more cocks?

[gahrmm12]

its still the ugliest car ever

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by torq I know there are ford parts in there, doesn't mean I have to like it! Having it in your face is a different story.

Sorry bro. The ST is step for step with the MS3 performance wise. In fact its driving dynamics may make it the most engaging FWD car to hit our shores. On top of that the ST fucking blows the doors off the MS3 in the interior department. Top Gear Magazine rated all 31 "hot hatches" sold in the UK and the ST was in the top 3 (not sure where it finished) while the MS3 finished a dismal 26th behind such cars as the Abarth 500 and Veloster Turbo. Granted you have to take a subjective ranking like that with a grain if salt but the unanimous praise heaped on the ST is there for a reason. That said I like the MS3 although I am partial to the gen one. I think its a great car but its disappointing to see soo many blatant fan boystalking shit about a car that by all accounts is an evolution of what the MS3 made successful since 2007. If the ST's were actually selling at MSRP the MS3 would be an also ran. You can get a good deal on an MS3. You can get raped in the ass right now trying to buy an ST.

Originally Posted by gahrmm12 its still the ugliest car ever

Hardly. Bland? Maybe. Ugly? no. What do you drive that makes you such a connoisseur of car design?

[torq]

Originally Posted by dsmluck Sorry bro. The ST is step for step with the MS3 performance wise. In fact its driving dynamics may make it the most engaging FWD car to hit our shores. On top of that the ST fucking blows the doors off the MS3 in the interior department. Top Gear Magazine rated all 31 "hot hatches" sold in the UK and the ST was in the top 3 (not sure where it finished) while the MS3 finished a dismal 26th behind such cars as the Abarth 500 and Veloster Turbo. Granted you have to take a subjective ranking like that with a grain if salt but the unanimous praise heaped on the ST is there for a reason. That said I like the MS3 although I am partial to the gen one. I think its a great car but its disappointing to see soo many blatant fan boystalking shit about a car that by all accounts is an evolution of what the MS3 made successful since 2007. If the ST's were actually selling at MSRP the MS3 would be an also ran. You can get a good deal on an MS3. You can get raped in the ass right now trying to buy an ST. Hardly. Bland? Maybe. Ugly? no. What do you drive that makes you such a connoisseur of car design?

You have me pegged quite wrongly sir, I'm in no way a mazda 'fanboi' as you so colloquially put it, and I at no time advanced that the MS3 was a better or worse car than the ST. I disdain the domestic car companies for their string of bad decisions over the last 2 decades and wouldn't want to be associated with or seen to give vindication to such. That is why I wouldn't want the logo staring me in the face, I don't care if it's subaru, mazda, nissan, honda, whatever, I like the imports.

[Pu Manchu]

Originally Posted by dsmluck Sorry bro. The ST is step for step with the MS3 performance wise. In fact its driving dynamics may make it the most engaging FWD car to hit our shores. On top of that the ST fucking blows the doors off the MS3 in the interior department. Top Gear Magazine rated all 31 "hot hatches" sold in the UK and the ST was in the top 3 (not sure where it finished) while the MS3 finished a dismal 26th behind such cars as the Abarth 500 and Veloster Turbo. Granted you have to take a subjective ranking like that with a grain if salt but the unanimous praise heaped on the ST is there for a reason. That said I like the MS3 although I am partial to the gen one. I think its a great car but its disappointing to see soo many blatant fan boystalking shit about a car that by all accounts is an evolution of what the MS3 made successful since 2007. If the ST's were actually selling at MSRP the MS3 would be an also ran. You can get a good deal on an MS3. You can get raped in the ass right now trying to buy an ST. Hardly. Bland? Maybe. Ugly? no. What do you drive that makes you such a connoisseur of car design?

Wall of text == hard-on for Focus ST

[Spiral1183]

Originally Posted by torq You have me pegged quite wrongly sir, I'm in no way a mazda 'fanboi' as you so colloquially put it, and I at no time advanced that the MS3 was a better or worse car than the ST. I disdain the domestic car companies for their string of bad decisions over the last 2 decades and wouldn't want to be associated with or seen to give vindication to such. That is why I wouldn't want the logo staring me in the face, I don't care if it's subaru, mazda, nissan, honda, whatever, I like the imports.

Your car is built with Ford parts

[lug]

Originally Posted by torq You have me pegged quite wrongly sir, I'm in no way a mazda 'fanboi' as you so colloquially put it, and I at no time advanced that the MS3 was a better or worse car than the ST. I disdain the domestic car companies for their string of bad decisions over the last 2 decades and wouldn't want to be associated with or seen to give vindication to such. That is why I wouldn't want the logo staring me in the face, I don't care if it's subaru, mazda, nissan, honda, whatever, I like the imports.

I have to strongly disagree with one statement you've made here. Past two decades?!?!?! You've totally left out the 80's! Possibly the worst decade in US automobile history!

[jseams]

This thread has devolved into "my subjective opinion is better than yours because I read another subjective opinion that said the ST is better"

... along with the intermittant "The interior rocks!" and "it has RECAROS" so it must mean it's faster! type dialog.

I had thought this thread was about an apparent discrepancy in reported performance numbers and not which car is prettier....

- and for those calling out others in this thread for being MS3 "fanbois"... um, duh? This is after all MSF.org, I'd hope that the members here, for the most part, own MS3's because they happen to like them - which brings up the other question. If you think the MS3 is so fucking ugly and slow and the ST is your wet dream, what the fuck are you doing on our forums?

I've even noticed that a few of you have moved on and become permanent members of the ST forums (and owners) - even going so far as to start to subtely discredit and remove yourselves from MSF. I'm not going to call you out at this point, you all know who you are... but it's more than obvious that your "fanboism" is directly related to which car you happen to currently own. You have a new girlfriend it seems - so maybe it's time to find a different hangout since you seem to have a sudden disdain for your old one.