Mazda couldn't fix my 2012 MS3

[MS3CB]

Originally Posted by hitmeagaintubesock I have no idea were the crank sensor is on the mzr engine? But assumed it was close to the fly wheel. I know my 944 and magnum v8 dodge engines and countless others place the crank sensor to read off the fly wheel.I figured the mazda would be simalar. I know other vehicles place the crank sensor behind the crank pulley as well.

Yes, behind the crank pulley is correct BUT you keep saying its near the flywheel.. if there is a flywheel and the crank pulley next to eachother.. (which is not possible) then IDK you have some freak 13' fucking ms3.

The crank pulley which either holds the timing belt or chain and usually a serp belt or two... is where the sensor is.. the flywheel is where the clutch and everything is.. two opposite sides my friend.

That would also mean.. the crank sensor would be reading the flywheel for timing positions...

[motherfnmonsta]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 I'm gonna have to say that's damn near impossible. At least without completely demolishing a motor in the process. For a flywheel to be so imbalanced that it throws out the timing ring enough that it isn't picked up by the cps, ON THE OTHER END OF THE CRANK, that motor isn't going to run long enough to throw any misfire codes.

Honestly man I am not sure how it is doing it either, when I was working at a mazda dealership I never came across this issue my self, but have talked to tech line about other issues about ms3 and this topic came up sometimes, and they told me they had a few cases where the flywheel was the cause of the misfire, and they even told me what to look pid's to look out for to see if the fly wheel was the culprit or not.

Now in some cases on the non turbo engines I did replace the emission harness to fix a random misfire issue. But in most cases on the mzr it was the coil pack or spark plugs.

[hitmeagaintubesock]

Yes. My 944 uses the fly wheel to count the revolutions of the engine thru the crank sensor. The fly wheel is were the clutch is not were the belts are....the fly wheel is connected to the crank. The way that works is the crank sensor reads the revoulutions of the engine off the fly wheel. If sensor goes bad or the crank sensor reads less than 300 rpm the car won't crank . Also it works similar on the dodge v8s.the sensor sticks down between the bell housing of the trans and block of the engine and the crank sensor reads the position of the flywheel that is again connected to the crank....as stated I was not sure were the mazdas se crank sensor was located. I just searched for over an hour looking for tge post were the dealer fixed the miss fire code with fly wheel.....and couldn't find it. Now do think it would be safe to run a down pipe with out internals? I searched and can't find that either.....lol

[Tokay444]

We know what a flywheel is and where it is.
Even on an ms3.

Originally Posted by motherfnmonsta Honestly man I am not sure how it is doing it either, when I was working at a mazda dealership I never came across this issue my self, but have talked to tech line about other issues about ms3 and this topic came up sometimes, and they told me they had a few cases where the flywheel was the cause of the misfire, and they even told me what to look pid's to look out for to see if the fly wheel was the culprit or not. Now in some cases on the non turbo engines I did replace the emission harness to fix a random misfire issue. But in most cases on the mzr it was the coil pack or spark plugs.

Same tech line that couldn't figure this car out? Same one that told me the k04 isn't water cooled?

[Chuthor]

Here is one of the ones I've seen where they suggested a flywheel, I think I may have read of another case or two besides this one where they tried that as a solution:

Brand new '13 speed P0300!!

They f'ed up the body on this one though after replacing the flywheel.

EDIT:

Also Post #9 here: Codes help, P2187 and P0300
2 post brownie though.

[hitmeagaintubesock]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 We know what a flywheel is and where it is. Even on an ms3. Same tech line that couldn't figure this car out? Same one that told me the k04 isn't water cooled?

Yeah I'm aware but the other guy seemed to think I was having a hard time understanding the location of the fly wheel.??? Was just trying to clear that up.

[Tokay444]

You seem to be on your ms3.

Flywheel causing misfire on this motor, is grasping at straws.
Those really stupid crazy bendy straws.

[hitmeagaintubesock]

I assure you lol that I know where the fly wheel is. I just stated that it could have been the issue based on a post that I read on here several months back. Do I have exact times or any thing no. Do I know what color speedo the guy that posted had on no...I don't. I can't even locate the post. I agree that it wouldn't be my first pic to solve the problem. That is just what I read. I still don't understand why you think I'm confused on the location of the fly wheel? Now,I did not know the location of the crank sensor on our engines. I assumed that it was reading off the fly wheel when it reads off the front of the crank.

[motherfnmonsta]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 We know what a flywheel is and where it is. Even on an ms3. Same tech line that couldn't figure this car out? Same one that told me the k04 isn't water cooled?

Well one do we know if the tech even called tech line if he did he would of been told about that. Now there are some guys that work the tech line system that shouldn't and most times if I got a certain person I would hang up and call back hoping to get different person. I know there are at least 3 guys there that I have talked to on a regular baises that knows there shit pretty good, and there are 2 that I would hang up on a heart beat. But I am not going to defend mazda corp.

[MacheteJames]

Just to add to the flywheel/p0300 mystery: I don't know the technical reasons for this issue, but what I can tell you is that my car was a lemon buyback by Mazda that had this exact problem. In fact, the car used to belong to a former MSF forum member. The former owner spent over a month wrestling with misfires until the dealer agreed to buy the car back under lemon law and then sold him identical new MS3. The dealer had to get Mazda Japan involved to diagnose the problem, and they ended up swapping out the flywheel and the entire wiring harness to fix it. I saw the car at the dealer shortly after all of this happened and got a great deal on it, and the car has been fine since. Knock on wood.

[Tokay444]

I would say the wire harness for sure.
Flywheel? No.

[Spec]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 I would say the wire harness for sure. Flywheel? No.

Well, after you replace everything else it becomes logical, from a part changers view.

[ep87]

I have a copy of repair order, from the dealer for the 2012 speed(lemon) and it doesn't go into much detail, but a do seam to remember from one of my daily update call from the dealer when this was all going down that they had checked the crank position sensor and found no fault. Here's a list of the parts they did replace up to the time they swapped me into the 2013
4 injectors
both Cats.
oxygen sensor.
4 ignition coils
4 plugs
the PCM (powertrain control module)
and a few misc. gaskets, o-rings,etc.
My personal feeling is a wiring harness problem. next time I find myself at the dealer all check with the service writer and see if they ever fixed it and what it was.

[Ms.Agro]

Bought your '12 speed 3 from the same dealership and did not know about its previous issues. Turns out it was yours. We've had it for 5 days now, slowly lost power in 5th and 6th, and then christmas eve it completely broke down. Moving at a slugs pace winding down the gears to nothing. We are returning it today, with hope to get it replaced.
All of this to say, do you have any suggestions for us in the process?

Megan

[MizzyMS3]

@ep87;

[omgvance]

Originally Posted by Ms.Agro Bought your '12 speed 3 from the same dealership and did not know about its previous issues. Turns out it was yours. We've had it for 5 days now, slowly lost power in 5th and 6th, and then christmas eve it completely broke down. Moving at a slugs pace winding down the gears to nothing. We are returning it today, with hope to get it replaced. All of this to say, do you have any suggestions for us in the process? Megan

damn

[Ms.Agro]

Thankfully he posted everything about it, this will severely help our case

[Spec]

Originally Posted by Ms.Agro Thankfully he posted everything about it, this will severely help our case

Approach them with he facts. What can they say?

[Ms.Agro]

They won't give us the service history on the car, would be awesome to get it from you ep87 before we go in today

[Ms.Agro]

Originally Posted by Spec Approach them with he facts. What can they say?

I want to avoid the run around he first got with this car. It's issues where not taken care of obviously and I'm not waiting 30 days for it to be "fixed" then end up with the same bs after its grace period of working, however skirt that may be. For us, 5 days it lasted in seemingly prefect condition. No run around this time. They lied about the history on it to begin with.

[ABolewski]

Wowwwwwwww gotta love the internet.

[JgamB]

Mmmm the plot thickens... we need some secret method of marking these cars when we offload them, like NATOR LEMON scratched into the trunk under the foam insert.

[taf0422]

Wow....it was only a matter of time before someone else picked up the car.

Glad you were able to find it here. Good luck on getting them to take back the car. Maybe this time they will just junk it or sell it off for parts. Lol

[Spec]

Originally Posted by Ms.Agro I want to avoid the run around he first got with this car. It's issues where not taken care of obviously and I'm not waiting 30 days for it to be "fixed" then end up with the same bs after its grace period of working, however skirt that may be. For us, 5 days it lasted in seemingly prefect condition. No run around this time. They lied about the history on it to begin with.

Consult an attorney. Does your state have a lemon law?
Check into state or federal laws that prevent a car from being sold after it reaches lemon status and/or if they are obligated to tell you about it on your request for it.

Record your conversation with them. I caught a lot of those guys back tracking and contradicting themselves in the past.

Get with the BBB federal trade commission and consumer protection agency to see what they can do or advice they'll offer you.

[JgamB]

Manufacturer and Dealer Services

Provide the required Lemon Law resale disclosure document to the first retail buyer/lessee of a vehicle reacquired by a manufacturer after a determination, adjudication or settlement under the Lemon Law. The Resale Disclosure and windshield disclosure forms are prepared and sent to the manufacturer by the Lemon Law Administration. The manufacturer is required to place the windshield disclosure in the vehicle and transfer the Resale Disclosure form with the vehicle. If a dealer knowingly obtains a Lemon vehicle but does not receive the Lemon Law resale forms directly from the manufacturer, auction or with the vehicle, the forms must be obtained from the Lemon Law Administration prior to a retail sale or lease.*


And as far as Mazda's responsibility if it was declared a lemon:

Lemon Law Resale Notice – A manufacturer, its agent or motor vehicle dealer to whom a motor vehicle is returned, is required to affix the "Lemon Law Resale Notice" to the lower center of the front windshield so as to be readily visible from the exterior of the vehicle. The Notice is provided to the manufacturer by the Attorney General’s Office. Only the retail purchaser of the vehicle may remove the Notice from the window.

The car probably wasn't declared an official lemon because it was reacquired by the dealer before action had to be taken, but maybe having a print out of this thread and the Washington State law will get them moving faster.

[Ms.Agro]

You all read my mind. I will have a print out of this thread, highlight his key points and modifications he says have been done, a print out of the lemon law for Washington, and a printed application to turn them into the better business bureau, as well as recording the entire conversation.

[Spec]

Take a squeeze tube of Vaseline with you, kick the door open and say "WHOS FIRST!!!!" And have a massive 20" strap on belted to you.

Please be sure to highlight this as a key post.

[WAMBUSHHHH!]

when you meet with the representative, you should sit down and ask him/her politely for a cigarette and immediately follow with "because I like a good smoke after I've been fucked so hard" and proceed to whip out above mentioned strap on with vaseline all over your printed documents...if for anything else, it'll be a great story.

[HawkeyeGeoff]

OMFG. This is a ROFLcopters moment. That stealership needs to be Old Yellered'.

Good Luck @Ms.Agro; fuck them good....For America.

[Ms.Agro]

I'm going to go America on all their asses!

[ep87]

If you go back and cafefully read the OP's original post. LOL you'll find that Mazda stepped in before I had to take them to mediation, most likely because they knew the OP had a case. And if they didn't make the OP happy and he took it to the state they would have had to eather scrap the car or at least brand the title which would have been a big loss. If I was you I'd PM the OP LOL. and send him your number maybe he would talk to you. I beleive the OP saw his old car the other day does it have great big Corksport decals on the side?

[turbo test]

Damn I was just about to close thread when shit got even more interesting.

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[Ms.Agro]

Originally Posted by ep87 If you go back and cafefully read the OP's original post. LOL you'll find that Mazda stepped in before I had to take them to mediation, most likely because they knew the OP had a case. And if they didn't make the OP happy and he took it to the state they would have had to eather scrap the car or at least brand the title which would have been a big loss. If I was you I'd PM the OP LOL. and send him your number maybe he would talk to you. I beleive the OP saw his old car the other day does it have great big Corksport decals on the side?

Yep, that's ours. Had smaller 2ft carbon fiber cs stickers on the front doorsdoors and our eyelids. I would gladly contact the OP, if I knew who he was, thought it was you... Were you not the original post starter?

[InkedInspector]

Originally Posted by ep87 If you go back and cafefully read the OP's original post. LOL you'll find that Mazda stepped in before I had to take them to mediation, most likely because they knew the OP had a case. And if they didn't make the OP happy and he took it to the state they would have had to eather scrap the car or at least brand the title which would have been a big loss. If I was you I'd PM the OP LOL. and send him your number maybe he would talk to you. I beleive the OP saw his old car the other day does it have great big Corksport decals on the side?

Am I high? You are the OP, so unless your talking about yourself in the third person I'm confused as hell. Just double checked, yeah I'm not high. See that "Thread Starter" under your user name for this post?

The more I read it I'm gonna go with 99% chance you were talking in third person...kind of...calling yourself the OP....yeah.

[Ms.Agro]

Yeah, no need to troll me. Just want answers. If he can't answer me, that's fine. I have my own way of getting out of this deal ahead of the dealership. Thanks OP

[Mr.Agro]

Originally Posted by Ms.Agro Yeah, no need to troll me. Just want answers. If he can't answer me, that's fine. I have my own way of getting out of this deal ahead of the dealership. Thanks OP

Shouldn't be hard to get our way, if they couldn't fix the car the first time around I doubt it will be any different now. From the first time I drove this thing I knew something didn't feel right. I usually feel a lot better about things when I end up being right but in this case, not so much...

[Spec]

There is two? So an additional tube of Vaseline is in order.

[Ms.Agro]

DP on AW and OP can join in






(AW= Dealership )






And if you don't know what DP is, then this joke is clearly not for you

[InkedInspector]

Originally Posted by Ms.Agro DP on AW and OP can join in (AW= Dealership ) And if you don't know what DP is, then this joke is clearly not for you

DUH! Downpipe, everyone knows that.

[heeltoe]

wow chalk one up for mazda customer service !!