MS3 a Target?

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort OK good questions but I respectfully disagree on some. Point #3 , it's a more interesting engine. I didn't say anything about being proven or having more aftermarket supports, etc. Point #7 , Mazda has been making cars more than 30 years longer than Honda or Toyota. Fact. Also, Honda's "vision" of high performance (VTEC) was directly aimed at turbocharged cars. So thank Mazda for keeping the rotary and engines like the DISI turbo alive. Point #8 . A BONE STOCK Mazdaspeed3 can run the Nurburgring in about 8.4 minutes. To put that in perspective, the 9th fastest production car in the world at any cost on the Nurburgring is the Corvette ZR-1 with a 7.19 I believe. Evos and STIs stock fall in the 8 flat range. That V6 Mustang you mention has no chance whatsoever of breaking 10 minutes on the Nurburgring. In fact, the MS3 is the only car under $35k new that can run the Nurburgring in 8.5 minutes or less. Now the Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca does very well there but its a $50k Mustange. If you don't know what the nurburgring is well then just stop reading now.

The cobalt SS did it in 8:22 back in the day 2008?. I would be very interested to see the times on a 2013 v6 mustang track pack Nur lap time. I bet it would be damn close if not a lil faster. http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...eview-961.html

Comparo Ford v6 to MS3

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...wo-door-page-2
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...term-road-test

Looks to me mustang has the edge. Plus being RWD.


You can thank Ford for keeping mazda alive.

Originally Posted by breakfstincluded The same facts that show the F150 and Silverados as being the top selling cars in America, what other nation has trucks as the best selling vehicle?

Ok? Those are selling numbers for 2 models(trucks). Just show where 1/2 the population of the US wont buy imports? The best selling cars not trucks are not domestics.
Not many other countries sell alot of trucks due to gasoline and diesel prices. Cars however are still sold so I dnt see how your argument of how many other countries have trucks as their best selling vehicle is even valid.

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort Actually, sorry, the MS3 did it in 8:39. There's only two Fords on the list at all, the Focus ST (8:51) and the Ford GT (7:40) There are only 3 Hondas listed. Actually one is an Acura, the NSX, and it put down a very good (7:56). Then you have the S2000 (8:39, rings a bell doesn't it?), and the Honda Civic Type-R (of course) at (8:47) Don't believe me, or want to know where your piece of crap Scion lands on the most demanding race track in the world, go see for yourself: List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And like GODSpeed7 said, people on these forums have their facts straight before opening their yappers.

Ive yet to see that.

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by re-rx7 The cobalt SS did it in 8:22 back in the day 2008?. I would be very interested to see the times on a 2013 v6 mustang track pack Nur lap time. I bet it would be damn close if not a lil faster. 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt 2DR-Coupe-SS Review: Car Reviews You can thank Ford for keeping mazda alive. Ok? Those are selling numbers for 2 models. Just show where 1/2 the population of the US wont buy imports? The best selling cars are not domestics. Ive yet to see that.

Actually Ford owned only 15% of Mazda and that stake was disbursed prior to the stock market collapse of 2008. There are Ford markings all over our beloved Mazdaspeeds and we all know this and don't consider it a bad thing.

Ford went on to continue to make world class products under high duress, while GM and Chrysler would have gone bankrupt were it not for the American taxpayer (which I, going out far on a limb would guess, you are not one).

And the Cobalt SS is a very fast, well rounded, car, in the same praiseworthy list of vehicles that can complete the Nurburgring in under 9 minutes. John Heinreichy personally helped design and tune that car's suspension and brakes. Of course the answers from this forum would be biased between two such equally matched cars, but not one of us would be caught dead in a Cobalt SS.

You don't see any Mustangs or Camaros listed on the Nurburgring track times because a car must be balanced to perform well there. I forget exactly but there are something like 80 turns in one lap?... Its no secret that Mustangs and Camaros don't turn or stop very well. Yes they do ok, but apparently not as well as the cars listed in the 7 and 8 minute club.

I think you are missing the point of the original post. The context was to explain why there are so few MS3s out on the road and my list gave many potential, and intriguing, possible reasons why our beloved cars never became very popular yet are beloved by almost all who own one.

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort You don't see any Mustangs or Camaros listed on the Nurburgring track times because a car must be balanced to perform well there. I forget exactly but there are something like 80 turns in one lap?... Its no secret that Mustangs and Camaros don't turn or stop very well. Yes they do ok, but apparently not as well as the cars listed in the 7 and 8 minute club. I think you are missing the point of the original post. The context was to explain why there are so few MS3s out on the road and my list gave many potential, and intriguing, possible reasons why our beloved cars never became very popular yet are beloved by almost all who own one.

I do pay taxes actually. How else could I own a MS3 daily and a evo weekend car? Lol The Zl1 and the gt500 even the regular 5.0 are great handling cars. Actually I remember the 5.0 out handling the BMW M3?
My respect for Ford changed when they did not take a bailout. That took balls. I see lots of Speed 3's could be a regional thing I suppose? Never said I dont like the 3. I just hate when people act as if they are the best thing around.

Also posted a review. MS3 an V6 stanger.

[CaptObvious75]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort Actually Ford owned only 15% of Mazda and that stake was disbursed prior to the stock market collapse of 2008. There are Ford markings all over our beloved Mazdaspeeds and we all know this and don't consider it a bad thing. Ford went on to continue to make world class products under high duress, while GM and Chrysler would have gone bankrupt were it not for the American taxpayer (which I, going out far on a limb would guess, you are not one). And the Cobalt SS is a very fast, well rounded, car, in the same praiseworthy list of vehicles that can complete the Nurburgring in under 9 minutes. John Heinreichy personally helped design and tune that car's suspension and brakes. Of course the answers from this forum would be biased between two such equally matched cars, but not one of us would be caught dead in a Cobalt SS. You don't see any Mustangs or Camaros listed on the Nurburgring track times because a car must be balanced to perform well there. I forget exactly but there are something like 80 turns in one lap?... Its no secret that Mustangs and Camaros don't turn or stop very well. Yes they do ok, but apparently not as well as the cars listed in the 7 and 8 minute club. I think you are missing the point of the original post. The context was to explain why there are so few MS3s out on the road and my list gave many potential, and intriguing, possible reasons why our beloved cars never became very popular yet are beloved by almost all who own one.

Chalk it up to marketing. Magazine reviews only net so many readers.

As for the cobalt ss Turbo, still kicking myself to this day for not buying the left over instead if my old lancer in 2009. It doesn't get love because of the badge, which is too bad

[BigJimMs3]

Originally Posted by CaptObvious75 Chalk it up to marketing. Magazine reviews only net so many readers. As for the cobalt ss Turbo, still kicking myself to this day for not buying the left over instead if my old lancer in 2009. It doesn't get love because of the badge, which is too bad

Cobalt SS/TC is a beast when modded and also handles very well. Only downer is that the interior is shit and cheap.

[re-rx7]

Originally Posted by BigJimMs3 Cobalt SS/TC is a beast when modded and also handles very well. Only downer is that the interior is shit and cheap.

This.

[Limeybastard]

Originally Posted by Kyle Undefined I get rev'd at and people trying to play all the damn time. Dale Mabry is absolutely the worst. I was on 54 heading to 56 when a Kia Forte tried playing with me...I mean, really? I've had a regular Mazda 3 try me too. Civics are the ones that try me the most. I guess having the FYHN sticker on the back doesn't help :p If people rev at me when at a light, I just tap the gas and let the bpv do the talking for me.

Were you the black gen one that was revving next to me last Friday on US41 ?

[Kyle Undefined]

Originally Posted by Limeybastard Were you the black gen one that was revving next to me last Friday on US41 ?

Nope, I don't rev at people, I don't drive a Honda :p

If I wanted to get your attention, I'd honk the horn or something.

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by BigJimMs3 Cobalt SS/TC is a beast when modded and also handles very well. Only downer is that the interior is shit and cheap.

Pretty much the same as an NSRT4, great motor and tranny, just has complete shit surrounding it. Lol

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