MS3 Vs. 2013 Mustang GT w/Track package handling
 

Hello. I am planning to buy a new car over the next few months. I was originally debating the MS3 vs. a WRX, but I eliminated the WRX due to not being able to find one to test drive and also the lack of features vs. a speed3 for the price. Just for fun one day I began to look at the Mustang GT and found that they were more affordable than I had assumed and would be within my price range of vehicles to purchase (obviously not as cheap as a MS3, but that is not the point of this thread). I would plan on getting the GT with the GT track package which adds Brembos and upgrades the suspension as well as the tires.

I know from a straight line the GT beats the MS3 no question. My main concern is how the MS3 will compare to the GT in terms of handling. The GT is about 400 lbs heavier. Has anyone on this forum driven a 2011+ Mustang GT so they could compare it to how a MS3 handles? Reviews seem to indicate that it pulls a slightly better skidpad number, but I don't know how that compares to real-world driving.

I'm coming from driving an 04 Sienna (parent's car...), so I really have no idea of what "good" handling feels like, and am more concerned with how I will feel a year or so down the road with a new car.

I know this seems like an odd comparison, but I thought I'd ask here as, like I said, I have no prior experience with "performance" vehicles. Thanks for your help.

get the mustang. 420hp>263hp

The point is how hard are you going to be driving it? On the street i doubt hard enough to matter, and on a track, the GT was like 1/2 a second behind the bmw m3? Ergo either the bmw sucks at handling or the mustang is actually pretty good. Not saying i don't like my mazda because i love it but had the 5.0 been more in my price range thats what i would be driving.

If im not mistaken, the new mustangs are still using live axle rear end suspension setups.
Which, is garbage if you want to dial in the suspension, because its mainly setup for straight line acceleration.

So, unless theyve gone independent like chevy did 12 years ago >.>
The handling of that mustang will still be and ALWAYS be fucking garbage.

Its a fat piece of shit. Get an SS Camaro over a bummy ass GT Mustang

^the new 5.0 gt's handle incredibly well, and absolutely FUCK OVER a 5th gen SS in every category... And calling a 5.0 a fat piece of shit then recommending a car hundreds of pounds heavier? Fuck that

ROFL, you sir, are indeed insane.
A 2012 GT mustang better than a 2012 Camaro SS.....not by a longshot.

You have no idea what your talking about.

If the m3 is widely regaurded as one of the best handling cars out there... the 5.0 is pretty good

I have driven both, and I can say that without a doubt, the Mustang's engine is a far more enjoyable tool. However, fuel economy is something I do worry about, and so is practicality. In the midwest in the winter, the Mustang isn't as good in the snow, and it struggles to break 26mpg, whereas the MS3 can easily break 30mpg.

As for handling, you're talking apples and oranges here. The GT does indeed still have a live axle, and it shows. Over broken roads or even on the highway where there are expansion joints, you can feel the rear end of the car moving around a bit. It's disconcerting, and something that I would find extremely annoying. That being said, under power, the MS3 does tend to torque steer a bit, and the ones I've driven do tramline a bit.

So...it's a toss-up, but if money is no object, and you don't have to worry about the winter, or the fuel economy, then I'd get the GT.

IMO, id take the Mustang over a Camaro anyday of the week.

Mind you this is in just terms of handling too, should have specified that.
Straight line the 412 horse mustang beats the camaro.

But looking at it from a Manufacturer's point of view as well, look at what chevy has to offer comparted to Ford when it comes to a true " handling vehicle".

Camaro ZL1
Corvette ZR1
Caddy CTS-V
All vehicles that handle fucking AMAZING. And have had world RECORDS to thier class vs the infamous Nurburgring.

Now the OP isnt buying these vehicles, but the point is, that Chevy's development is by far superioir in those terms.
So generally speaking, the SS and even the V6 versions still carry that suspension design. Just not the 580 HP part.

What does Ford have ?
Hmmm, lets see.....oh wait, nothing. Absolutely NOTHING.
Shelby GT500 ? Barely keeps up with a fucking stock C6 Z06 >.>

SO in terms of a manufacturor's standpoint, Chevy by far has the better package.

And i really dont care for any domestics.

Thanks for the replies. Fuel economy is not really a concern as the vehicle I have been driving for the past four years gets 19 mpg...not much better/worse than the 5.0 would get, and I was able to cope with that fuel cost just fine. I do live in the Midwest, so winter is a bit of a concern. However, I know several people that DD Mustangs/RWD around here and they said that if I get proper snow tires, I should be ok (I would have to get snow tires for the MS3 as well, so that is not a factor). Plus, I can work from home on days when the snow gets really bad. As far as no hatch/2+2 seating, I can count the number of times on one hand over the past four years that I have driven a person or needed more space than the seat next to me.

I have read about the LRA on the Mustang, but as others have said it seemed to hang fairly well with an M3, which I'm sure is leagues above what I drive now. My main concern was handling vs. the MS3, not some much a Camaro/Challenger as I am not looking at those due to other considerations.

Thanks for all of the really informative/insightful replies, wasn't really sure how well this question would go over lol.

Edit: I live in WI, so I definitely do see snow (well, not so much this year but that is an anomaly). Like I said, I have talked to several people that DD RWD and say that snow tires make it usable in the winter. If anyone has any experience one way or another regarding this, please let me know.

My experience with the new Mustang GT was limited to a very brief test-drive in a car with an automatic transmission, so it's difficult to compare it to the MS3 I've driven every day since last September. I personally would not consider the Mustang as a daily-driver unless you live in a warm climate or can afford a second vehicle for the winter (you didn't list a location).

If you really don't have very much experience with performance-oriented vehicles, I would highly recommend getting some seat time in as many as you have time for. Test drive other performance cars that you're not currently considering so you at least have a basis of comparison. Borrow or ask for a ride in a performance car owned by a family member, co-worker, or friend.

The Mustang GT w/Track package is a VERY capable car, but then again so is a MS3 with $6k in mods. Nevertheless you're still comparing apples to oranges. If a dedicated performance vehicle is what you're after, I'd lean towards the Mustang. If you just want a performance-oriented daily driver that's both fun and economical, definitely save your money and go with the MS3. You really can't go wrong with either vehicle.

The only point your proving is that you are a GM nut swinger over Ford, and it was irrelevant to even bring in the other cars. A Camaro is a fat piece of shit compared to the Mustang we aren't talking F bodies anymore. Maybe if the fatass camaro lost weight and it would be a better car. Comparing a Mustang GT and a MS3 is an apples and oranges comparison. If you want something more practical get the MS3.

Not trying to start a chevy vs ford thing here but now you are comparing a 3800lb 4 seater sports car to a 3300lb 2 seater sports car. Thats nonsense to say that the GT500 barely keeps up to the zo6. Of course you would expect the zo6 to edge out the gt500.....the zo6 is 500lbs lighter (more than makes up for the 50 less hp).

op if you want good mpg and room to store shit but be able to have some fun...its a no brainer get the ms3. If you are gonna have a vehicle to do other shit with and you are just looking for a toy you can dd...get the gt

Are you serious? Gt500-corvette? How about 2013 gt500-ZL1? And if you really want to start getting off topic, what about the ford GT? He's talking about mustangs, not the manufacturers background, or we could bring in the gt40's and Shelby/roush, gtfo

I debated this same question and ended up with the ms3, but more of a practicality of it I couldn't justify selling one mustang (03 v6) for one with more power. I got more power and funtion out of the very fun to drive ms3 don't regret it a bit.

Go test drive the 5.0, then climb in the ms3. It will feel slow as shit. As long as your not doing any crazy ass driving the Stang will be able to meet your handling needs....I suggest driving the SS too. Just see what you like. I myself will either have a ZL1 or Shelby in my drive way after my deployment.

Mustang 5.0 any day of the week. Upwards of 28 mpg ( prolly won't ever get that ) over 400 hp and with under $500 bucks you can push upwards of 450hp. Cheapest car of those fully loaded, you can't beat it. Fords doing it right in the last few years.

I dont think its been mentioned but if you're coming from a FWD (or that fake AWD) minivan that can barely get out of its own way to a 400+hp RWD its going to be quite a shock. I would say baby steps and opt for something less powerful or with AWD, especially for WI.

Have you looked at like a used G37x? Still quick, much more feature heavy and has a pretty good AWD system. Damn reliable too (at least compared to its german rivals)

You're a fucking idiot.

2013 GT500 shits on anything within the same price range.

And really fgt, comparing a 2 seater sports car to a 4 seater muscle car.

While you're at it idiot go compare a F-16 to a Biplane.

Dumbass.

PS-Camaros are heavy, slow turds.

First off, comparing an F16 to biplane, wow, how many brain cells did you use to think of that one ? Pretty fucking weak.
Second, the only thing a GT500 shits on , is itself any time its tracked.

I brought in the thought of going for the Camaro over the Mustang because the OP was talking in terms of handling. If you want a car that " handles well " and your thinking of going down the " muscle car " route, the camaro is far superior.

Oh my bad, didnt know " 4 seater muscle car " was a new class of vehicle.
And you totally had me beat on the 50$k Shelby beating anything in its class...wait, the ZL1 ? Try again.
A Whopping 4 grand difference for a way better vehicle.

All you did in this post was come in here and fucking nerd rage like a fuckin 12 year old.
Dont fuckin talk down to me you , you dont know me.
While your thinking of a response, has itching and feminine odor got you down ? Do you need a hug ?

I just want to point out. You're going to be in the minority. You're correct that the camaro has a better suspension (IRS vs Live) and thus SHOULD have better handling. But it doesnt. The '13 mustang runs rings around a camaro. Assuming stock vs stock.

You can't bring the corvette in this argument because its not the same class of car. If we want to argue like idiots, than a caterham CSR handles better. /end.

@x09MS3GT Give it up man...car and driver and all the other car mags say the mustang wins....they got alot more rep than you. :stups:

The ms3 is a fun practical fairly quick daily driver. Coming from a Sienna, the ms3 will put a nice smile on your face. If little less cargo room and rwd winter time driving is no biggie, and you want to be "faster" then go Mustang, 2 different cars, I suggest you test drive them both.



Wont go too far into the 5.0 vs Camaro ss topic. I will say everytime I turn around I hear awesome things on the 5.0, and thats from hardcore chevy guys. It will fun 117-120mph traps with bolt ons and good tires. In articles "I" have read, it handles very good on the track. The 2013's are rolling out with options like recaro seats and track pack.
Track pack iirc is like 2500, and you get Brembo brakes,3.73 axle with carbon fiber cluthc plates,boss 302 oil cooler, upgraded radiator, Torsen differntial. A LOT of car for the money, quite impressive. But if you think the stang is garbage, thats your opinion, In my logical mind however, I just do not come up with that conclusion.

Good luck op :)

I was just trying to open the OP up to some different ideas is all. Too see a one sided view of vehicle choice just isn't fair.

Lol funny post coming from you.

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So what, Ford still uses a solid rear axle, the current Mustang is a hell of a car.

Chevy still uses Pushrods for gods sake, but they do make them work in the Corvettes

First off I own a modded '00 Camaro SS, so I like Camaros. BUT, you have no idea what you're talking about. As far as the new cars go the Mustang out handles the Camaro easily. Add in the track pack and even more so. I have driven multiples of both. Also, what are you talking about in regards to the IRS and 12 years? First year was 2010.

my brother has the 2012 5.0 & that thing is a fucking blast to drive ... would literally take a shit on an SS.. hes got the roush catback as well, the car sounds like pure sex... beastly rumble at idle... def go 5.0 if money aint a thang

still thinking about a '12 gt premium w/ 6 speed manual, 3.73 rear end and this (+1.0g on the skidpad)... FORD RACING 2005-2012 MUSTANG GT COUPE HANDLING PACK -- M-FR3-MGTA

told the dealer $28k out the door and $16k for the trade in. we shall see.

Two things very important not mentioned:

1) 4 doors if family
2) Stealth factor

In the MS3 you can go 100mph and not get pulled over. In the Mustang you will get pulled over for going the speed limit.

Not to make you look really stupid, because I was just going to troll and stay out of this, but he never brought the corvette into this. The ZR1 is the corvette. The ZL1 which is the car he mentioned is the new supercharged camaro that they have coming out this year I believe. So if you are going to bring the gt500 into this he is completely within his rights to bring up the new ZL1. That is apples to apples. Might want to do a little research before you end up with egg on your face, again.

The same post where the GM-jerker brought up the ZL1 he also mentioned the Z06. Which even though the Z06 is not in the same class as the GT500, the new 2013 will actually give it good competition at a better price. ZR1, well let's not even bring $100k+ cars into this discussion because then we're just getting silly.

Pretty sure he was referring the the BMW, which is most definitely NOT FWD. Somebody early in the thread mentioned how the 5.0 was only a few seconds behind the BMW M3, and I'm pretty sure that's what the comparison was referring to.

My bad, thought he was talking about a Speed3. Read it too fast.

Speaks the truth 100%

If tickets are not a factor, speed3 will keep you happy.

:smashfreakB:

He never mentions the z06 unless I missed something???

Handling = settled, may we move on.

You're right, I read it again, and it wasn't the Z06 mentioned, it was the ZR1.

i have a family but i'm in the car by myself 95% of the time. wifey and kids are rooting for the mustang.

i love having a sleeper (genwon) but still managed to get pulled over doing 100 mph.

Yeah sleeper doesn't mean shit, i was behind a lady who slammed on her brakes so hard when she saw the cop the tires smoked and i almost rear ended her, yet who got pulled over? The 21 year old behind her with an exhaust and hood scoop -_- gen 2 FTL

Oh I didn't know you guys had owned Mustangs in the past too. Should've done my research.

God that Challenger sounds great. Its a boat and is probably the one I'd pick. Mustangs and Camaros = dime a dozen.

He actually mentions Corvette ZR1, Z06, and even Caddy!

Question, why not get the speed and do some minor mods??? That way u have the best of both worlds...

Dude, try again. Go research '13 GT500 vs '13 Camaro SS before you run your mouth. Just cuz you like GM doesn't mean they own every car out there. Ford has started to get their shit together with the Mustangs.

ehh define the best? in a straight line, fully bolted 5.0 vs fully bolted ms3 the Mustang wins, ask me how i know. Also if you're interested in road racing, Ford sells every single upgrade part available on the Boss 302 separately if you don't feel like looking for after market suspension/cooling. In my opinion starting with a solid platform is obviously very important, but once you start modding all bets are off, its just whoever pays more at that point is going to "win." Granted i may be slightly biased because i absolutely love mustangs. My ms3 is an absolute blast to drive though, i don't want it to sound like i'm dissing this platform haha.

nice thing about the 5.0 is you don't have to mod for more power. i think i'd be happy just giving it boss / shelby suspension guts.

I stand corrected. Thank you sir!

ok, i'm asking how u know? lol. i'm in a mustang club man, and my speed in a straight line, will roll with the 5.0 , and they don't even try anymore on the freeway..granted i have a little more than just simple bolt ons, but i'm still at way less money spent than just a stock one..best of both worlds would be a nice handling, decent powered vehicle that works in a straight line or curves..now of course, if u want to spend the $$ on the aftermarket parts for the stang, by all means go ahead and be happy..i was trying to keep cost somehow relevant as well. lol.

No cost is a valid point, and what i meant by "bolt ons" was quite literally that haha, even on my e85 tune im trapping 112, 113 best in the quarter and a 5.0 does what 116-118? i dont remember exactly but more than enough to pull away from me.

I would also go with the 5.0 if money wasnt an issue, I would love a Mustang but as others have said they are kinda popular (you see a lot of them along with the SS in my area vs the MS3) and for me the 5+k price difference, plus insurance costs and rear vs front drive for winter helped me make my decision. With all that said, i wouldn't complain if I had a 5.0 for fun and the MS3 as a DD.

yes sir, u are pretty accurate. i am almost dead even sea level where our 1/4 mile track is, and with a decent driver i have seen 120, but he was running lower tire pressure, and it is automatic too, which from what i have seen helps with the 60' times. but yes, simple bolt-ons and some e will get pretty close, and again, way less $. but, my oh my do the 5.0's sound like sex for sale with a good exhaust....lol

See what the chevy nut swinger is probably going off is the fact that the zl1 beat the boss 302 when they tested them on the track. Problem with that is the fact that it only beat the boss by a whopping 2.45 seconds even with the "shitty" live axle. Put the factory warrentied supercharger upgrade on the boss and where it actually lost time (which was the straight aways due to being underpowered vs the zl1) I promise you it would be a different outcome.

Also the ZL1 just posted up their quarter mile times on camaro5 and guess what it trapped 116. So it can barely hang with a 2012 GT500 , and you think it will be able to touch the new 2013 GT500 which is actually in its same class. Roflmao dude you need to give it up even hard core chevy fans are giving the proper respect to the new mustangs that they are due.

Back on topic OP test drive both and figure out which one meets your price range / limit of use better. People can recommend things all they want but it just boils down to what you want out of the cars.

^----With the new launch system and extra 150hp the ZL1 is dead on the 1/4 mile.

Im not running my mouth, im getting my information directly from proven lap times.

Look man, im not a fan of domestic vehicles in any sort honestly.

You guys are just not getting my point.
If you look at my post, i didnt say hey, the GT mustang sucks compared to the vette or the cts-v or the zl1. The point I was trying to get across was the fact that people need to LOOK and SEE where the development of Chevy was compared to Ford in general.
Where is FORD on anything ? Nowhere, because they have had nothing to offer for the past 10 years.

Is the newer mustang better than the Camaro SS ? Ok, yes....You got me there . Ford finally has a wildcard in play.
Everyone's on the bandwagon, the new mustang is the great new thing right now.
Now lets see where they go with it.

What your fail to realize x09MS3GT is that the live axle is part of the mustang appeal. The mustang isnt built to be a lotus elise. its a muscle car which happens to also handle really, really well with the crude technology it has to work with. Ford contemplated IRS for the mustang but decided against it because it looses that crude, raw nature that cars like the MS3 have. Thats the feeling that draws people in.

On a side note, if I was getting a muscle car it would be the challenger 392. Drives like a boat but goes fast in a straight line and looks absolutely fantastic

@OP, i'll mention this again if it got lost.but if you're coming from a FWD (or that fake AWD) minivan that can barely get out of its own way to a 400+hp RWD its going to be quite a shock. I would say baby steps and opt for something less powerful or with AWD, especially for WI.

Have you looked at like a used G37x? Still quick, much more feature heavy and has a pretty good AWD system. Damn reliable too (at least compared to its german rivals)


@GODspeed7, I see you saw where the corvette mention was. No harm no foul. Confusing thread.

Stock 5.0's trap around 110-113 and run in the high 12's.

Actually yeah you did start off by just bashing the mustang because of its SRA. I used to be a huge Ford nut swinger bro and then I realized how frigging narrow minded i sounded. I love all performance vehicles foreign and domestic.

Ford hasent offered anything in the last 10 years huh? Ever here of the 2003/04 Ford Mustang Cobra aka Terminator? 390/390 stock with IRS! Add $1500 in mods and your putting down 450/450ish. Upgrade the blower to a TS and your at 600/600 with long tubes! Yeah Ford really screwed the pooch on that one! That DOHC block is absolutley insane what power level it can handle stock let alone building it. Ask me how I know. The new Ford Ecoboost line? V6's putting down V8 power numbers and tourqe. The new 5.0 Coyote is insane! Guys are fully bolting them to a reliable 550 and sometimes 600 RWHP on a stock block and good tune!

To be objective The ZO6 has always been one of my favorite rides ever period end of story. My first few cars were Gm's. I'm not a nut swinger or a hater just an objective car nut.

Ford GT? Hell, the Taurus SHO us pretty damn sweet and so is the Focus RS or whatever that green car is from the other thread.

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Yeah, I would have said the exact opposite of his statement, seems to me Ford has really gotten its shit together in the last 10 years. The Mustangs keep getting better every couple of years, the Focuses that were released in Europe over the last several years have been pretty kick-ass, and are finally starting to show up here (ST later this year), the new SHO with the twin turbos is bad as hell for a family sedan. V6 Eco-boost truck motors kicking out V8 power and good gas mileage to boot like was mentioned above. They're getting better each year, and completely showing up the crap they put out in the 80s and 90s.

not reading this whole thread. now let me give you(OP) sage advice if it has been said, dont care.

you are coming from a 2004 sienna. a minivan. any car of a performance pedigree will be a huge change for you, not to mention a stick shift if you go ms3. a mustang has the potential of wrapping itself around a tree with a inexperienced driver or someone new to the rwd dynamic. now if i were you and wanted something sporty wait for the scion fr-s to come out later this year. please think about your choice and maybe go for something less likely to make you a statistic.

gotta start at the bottom before you go to the top, so to speak.
:burnout:

yeah enough to beat a stock ms3 but since i am fully bolted, i was making the comparison against a likewise modified mustang.

In B4 @SWAY or @gearhead750 says this thread is full of ghey and fail.

But with a few mods a 5.0 will walk a fully bolted MS3 badly. One of my buddies I race my other car with has a '12 with manual, 3:73's, headers, catback, cold air and basic tune. On drag radials he runs 11.90's all day. I had to do a lot more to get my car car to run that years back. The new 5.0's are sick cars and a league above a Speed to me. :D

get the stang if you got the cash thread/

This whole thread is ridiculous.

OP, you'd be a damn fool to NOT buy the mustang. If you want performance, that coyote motor is ripe for the picking. Disregard suspension talk. Aftermarket parts and the right tuning can make anything a track monster.

I'm not saying the MS3 is garbage, it's one of the funnest cars I've owned. But, when you're talking to a gear head who prefers function over form, the mustang is the clear choice.

On another note, I find it strange how some folks just can't give credit where it's due.

For fucks sake, Ford got it right this time. Why is that so difficult to appreciate? People all over the world are raving about the new stangs for a reason...

They aren't a fad, they're fucking bad!!!!

^yeah that.

Suck chevys dick some more buddy. My friend who works at a chevy dealer, and is a die hard Chevy guy, even admitted the new 5.0 shits on the new Shitmaro.

this thread is full of ghey and fail.

Jeez...it couldn't get any worse. Fucking Ford and Chevy. Two dogs with fleas....

And it keeps getting worse as I scroll upward. I read shit backwards bitches...

Lol at even the Charger Srt8 beating the Crapmaro. I like the Charger Srt8 myself but didn't realize it was that much more expensive over the Gt.

Thanks for all of the replies. I have been going back and forth between dealers and am finding that I can get a better deal than I had thought on a Mustang, so I am leaning in that direction right now. The insurance between the speed3 and the Mustang was almost exactly the same, so that is a nice surprise as well. Regardless of which direction I end up going, I still think the speed3 is an awesome car and definitely can't be beat in terms of price/performance/practicality.

couldn't be more right! This is the first time Ford has got it 100% right with the Mustang since the 03-04 Cobras. Chevy fanboiis hated on that car as well for one reason, it was BY FAR superior to the failmaro.

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If you are keeping the Sienna, get the Mustang.

If you are getting rid of the Sienna, get the MS3.

Problem Solved...

Except for this little thing... But I suppose they did stop making it 6 years ago.

Oh and they actually made a Mustang continously... while Chevy dropped the Camaro. And Firebird.... and Pontiac

Oh and they didn't go bankrupt lol does that count for anything?

/offtopic

The Mustang has come a long way since the last time I owned one (03 GT), I took care of my brothers 09 GT when he was over in Afghanistan and I was shocked at how well the car was, and it wasn't even the 5.0. So just like everyone else here has been saying, if price isn't an issue go with the mustang. My brothers is completely murdered out and ya, it turned heads everywhere I went with it. Good Luck

Test drove a 13 base gt with brembos tonight with some retarded sales kid. I like the new front end and black gauges but the rear end is ghetto and the cloth seats suck.

I showed him the ms3 so he could see it was clean and grab the vin and mileage. Told him it was stock besides the rx-8 wheels as it was dark and he didn't bother to raise the hood.

Dealer has a few leftover 12 gt premiums with 3.73 rear end and hid/security package. Told him $29k out the door.

And what'd you think?

I think I want the 12 gt premium if I can give the dealer ass to mouth.

His ass your mouth?

New 5.0 definitely beats the camaro in every comparison test... I don't know what your smoking

Thank you!

Obviously, not any good shit when he's thinking the way he currently is.

Even crack heads know the new 5.0's are sick.

So yeah, what the fuck is he smoking?

The '13 is a big step up on the '12 to me. Love the new front, and the new tails look cool. Best of all is the body color rocker panels. The black on the older ones looks cheap.

As for the seats, get the Recaros. Best $1500 you can spend. I want a 6/speed with track pack and recaros. I'd like leather, but have no desire for all the crap you have to get with it.

i was looking at the base 13 w/ track pack and recaros but the premium 12s are so cheap right now. if i bought one, some of my part out proceeds would go towards either the ford racing or eibach suspension kit.

Really, as long as you get a '12+ you're in good shape. They're the ones that got the upgraded motor and that's what really counts haha. Hell, '12 V6 > '11 GT to be honest.

Um, no the '11 got the 5.0. The '10 was the old 4.6...

Ooops, my bad, I had that off by a year.

the new functional heat extractor hood is my new favorite addition, thats a wicked looking hood.

How's the brake pedal feel with the brembos? I drove a normal GT before and wasn't a huge fan of the brake feel. But that 5.0 is sweeeettt!!!

dealer offered me auction value ($10k) for my clean 37k mile ms3. fucking rapists.

does anyone know anyone at rousch? supposedly rousch sold 5 or 6 identical (except for color) leftover 12s to my dealer and i'm trying to figure out what my dealer paid for them. the things have been sitting on their lot for 3 months.

New the stage 3 roush were like $45k weren't they? Granted its gonna be hard to talk them down much because its still a sweet car but you may be able to pull the "its last years model." I've always held the assumption that if you can go in and you know more about the car than the sales guy (not hard to do) and you own the conversation, they're pretty much at your disposal because you're making it obvious they have no idea what they're talking about.

these were leftover roush's that roush didn't upgrade since the 13s were right around the corner. roush sold them to one dealer and i bet the dealer got a good deal.

screw the trade in. got a blank check from nfcu (60 months @ 1.79%).

ms3 > new mustang simply because I think mustangs are for old people (dunno the OP's age)

I would rock the Boss model tho... hell of a machine that thing is!

I agree the Boss, even without the Laguna Seca package, is the one I'd get. F the Shelby, give me that high revving 5.0 with what 444hp? I think Motor Trend got 0-60 in 3.9 seconds out of it. WHOA (nellie).

I love the Laguna Seca package too, so awesome. Nothing says RACECAR like having no back seats from the factory.

and a 12.3 1/4 bone stock, hard to say no to that.

Too many cars are simply too heavy today. Have you seen the curb weights of cars like the newer Camaros and Challengers? Sheesh. The Mustang is lighter than either of them by several hundred pounds or more. Ford is doing a great job with their cars esp over the last 5 years or so. And to think they didn't even need bailout money. Good for them. GM needed how much 30 billion taxpayer dollars and we get a fucking 4,000lb Transformer for a Camaro. I would've done what Bush said and fuck the domestic auto industry let it collapse. Ford would then be able to compete with Toyota and VW for market share. Really. But we have Osama I mean Obama sigh. Remember kids, in November, vote for ABO (anybody but Obama). Fuck it write in a Democrat if you must stick with your crappy party line.

Hah Ford actually survived by selling its 33% share of Mazda back to Mazda, but thats part of business, when you're having a hard time you bite the bullet. So it is going to be interesting to see what the next few years of this platform hold since its not solely under Mazda's control

Spoken like an idiot. The big three support nearly 3 million jobs in this country, many more millions across the world. Thats 3 million people out of work, on unemployment and welfare and not paying taxes for YOUR city, YOUR police department, YOUR schools.

Getting rid of GM and Chrysler would add many more imports to America and reduce our GDP, we would send even more money overseas. (TLDR, fewer american cars, fewer american jobs, fewer jobs for YOUR kids)

What you, and much of the country, fail to realize is how powerless people like the president are to these issues. If you've got a problem with the auto industry get rid of the UAW. Problems solved. Its genuinely impressive that we blame the president for everything, not just Obama but every president. "WAAAA, gas is expensive, its the presidents fault!", "WAAA, taxes are high, its the presidents fault", "WAAA, high unemployment, its the presidents fault."

People like YOU cause high gas prices, unemployment and taxes. People like YOU create an aggressive, hostile business environment where expansion and growth isn't promoted because of a lack of safeguards.

This country still runs a relatively free market, if the president tried to fix your high gas prices someone (YOU) would bitch about, "this isnt a free market, blah blah."

So, please, rather than regurgitating the shit your hear on Rush Limbaugh, do some research, read a book and maybe you'll realize where the power is held and why the decisions this country makes are made.

Lastly, voting with the, "ABO" method is the most idiotic thing I've read. Goes to show your level of intelligence and ignorance. Lets not use facts and knowledge but shit-for-reasoning. Herp derp, anyone but obama. Trump for president.

/end rant.

At the end of the day, they are very different cars with very different price points. I think the MS3 is about as good as you can get with FWD

But the Mustang is a great car too, if you want RWD and can afford it

I think it is a great car for the money. Just not the type of car i'm interested in anymore TBH. For a modern/new car for performance i'd take something like the TTRS / 1 Series M. If I wanted a muscle car i'd opt classic.

Sheesh wasn't trying to start anything here.

Doesn't Ford also employ UAW workers? They don't seem to have any issue with turning out globally competitive products.

Ever heard of an executive order? Yeah that thing Obama has been utterly abusing over the last year or so? On quite a few issues, yes it is his fault.

I make $115,500 a year. I spend nearly $30,000 of that to support the federal government alone. Another $10k or whatever goes to the state of MD. Tell me, how much did you help out your government (the people) last year? Did you even pay taxes last year (subtracting out your refund)? I would also bet, over the last 5 years, that I helped out more senior citizens get their Medicare coverage, more retirees get their Social Security checks, and more Marylanders get their food stamps and WIC checks and send their kids to school, than you will do in your lifetime. I know your type, its all logic this, logic that, read this, read that, I'm so fucking smart, but when the rubber hits the road you got nuttin and don't do nuttin so stfu lol