MS3 Vs. 2013 Mustang GT w/Track package handling

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by Voltwings Yeah sleeper doesn't mean shit, i was behind a lady who slammed on her brakes so hard when she saw the cop the tires smoked and i almost rear ended her, yet who got pulled over? The 21 year old behind her with an exhaust and hood scoop -_- gen 2 FTL

Oh I didn't know you guys had owned Mustangs in the past too. Should've done my research.

God that Challenger sounds great. Its a boat and is probably the one I'd pick. Mustangs and Camaros = dime a dozen.

[Atlanta]

He actually mentions Corvette ZR1, Z06, and even Caddy!

Originally Posted by GODspeed7 He never mentions the z06 unless I missed something???

But looking at it from a Manufacturer's point of view as well, look at what chevy has to offer comparted to Ford when it comes to a true " handling vehicle". Camaro ZL1 Corvette ZR1 Caddy CTS-V All vehicles that handle fucking AMAZING. And have had world RECORDS to thier class vs the infamous Nurburgring. Now the OP isnt buying these vehicles, but the point is, that Chevy's development is by far superioir in those terms. . What does Ford have ? Hmmm, lets see.....oh wait, nothing. Absolutely NOTHING. Shelby GT500 ? Barely keeps up with a fucking stock C6 Z06 >.> SO in terms of a manufacturor's standpoint, Chevy by far has the better package.

[tooslow10]

Question, why not get the speed and do some minor mods??? That way u have the best of both worlds...

[captain slow]

Originally Posted by x09MS3GT First off, comparing an F16 to biplane, wow, how many brain cells did you use to think of that one ? Pretty fucking weak. Second, the only thing a GT500 shits on , is itself any time its tracked. I brought in the thought of going for the Camaro over the Mustang because the OP was talking in terms of handling. If you want a car that " handles well " and your thinking of going down the " muscle car " route, the camaro is far superior. Oh my bad, didnt know " 4 seater muscle car " was a new class of vehicle. And you totally had me beat on the 50$k Shelby beating anything in its class...wait, the ZL1 ? Try again. A Whopping 4 grand difference for a way better vehicle. All you did in this post was come in here and fucking nerd rage like a fuckin 12 year old. Dont fuckin talk down to me you , you dont know me. While your thinking of a response, has itching and feminine odor got you down ? Do you need a hug ?

Dude, try again. Go research '13 GT500 vs '13 Camaro SS before you run your mouth. Just cuz you like GM doesn't mean they own every car out there. Ford has started to get their shit together with the Mustangs.

[Voltwings]

Originally Posted by tooslow10 Question, why not get the speed and do some minor mods??? That way u have the best of both worlds...

ehh define the best? in a straight line, fully bolted 5.0 vs fully bolted ms3 the Mustang wins, ask me how i know. Also if you're interested in road racing, Ford sells every single upgrade part available on the Boss 302 separately if you don't feel like looking for after market suspension/cooling. In my opinion starting with a solid platform is obviously very important, but once you start modding all bets are off, its just whoever pays more at that point is going to "win." Granted i may be slightly biased because i absolutely love mustangs. My ms3 is an absolute blast to drive though, i don't want it to sound like i'm dissing this platform haha.

[karl-hungus]

nice thing about the 5.0 is you don't have to mod for more power. i think i'd be happy just giving it boss / shelby suspension guts.

[GODspeed7]

Originally Posted by Atlanta He actually mentions Corvette ZR1, Z06, and even Caddy!

I stand corrected. Thank you sir!

[tooslow10]

Originally Posted by Voltwings ehh define the best? in a straight line, fully bolted 5.0 vs fully bolted ms3 the Mustang wins, ask me how i know. Also if you're interested in road racing, Ford sells every single upgrade part available on the Boss 302 separately if you don't feel like looking for after market suspension/cooling. In my opinion starting with a solid platform is obviously very important, but once you start modding all bets are off, its just whoever pays more at that point is going to "win." Granted i may be slightly biased because i absolutely love mustangs. My ms3 is an absolute blast to drive though, i don't want it to sound like i'm dissing this platform haha.

ok, i'm asking how u know? lol. i'm in a mustang club man, and my speed in a straight line, will roll with the 5.0 , and they don't even try anymore on the freeway..granted i have a little more than just simple bolt ons, but i'm still at way less money spent than just a stock one..best of both worlds would be a nice handling, decent powered vehicle that works in a straight line or curves..now of course, if u want to spend the $$ on the aftermarket parts for the stang, by all means go ahead and be happy..i was trying to keep cost somehow relevant as well. lol.

[Voltwings]

Originally Posted by tooslow10 ok, i'm asking how u know? lol. i'm in a mustang club man, and my speed in a straight line, will roll with the 5.0 , and they don't even try anymore on the freeway..granted i have a little more than just simple bolt ons, but i'm still at way less money spent than just a stock one..best of both worlds would be a nice handling, decent powered vehicle that works in a straight line or curves..now of course, if u want to spend the $$ on the aftermarket parts for the stang, by all means go ahead and be happy..i was trying to keep cost somehow relevant as well. lol.

No cost is a valid point, and what i meant by "bolt ons" was quite literally that haha, even on my e85 tune im trapping 112, 113 best in the quarter and a 5.0 does what 116-118? i dont remember exactly but more than enough to pull away from me.

[jkmags]

I would also go with the 5.0 if money wasnt an issue, I would love a Mustang but as others have said they are kinda popular (you see a lot of them along with the SS in my area vs the MS3) and for me the 5+k price difference, plus insurance costs and rear vs front drive for winter helped me make my decision. With all that said, i wouldn't complain if I had a 5.0 for fun and the MS3 as a DD.

[tooslow10]

yes sir, u are pretty accurate. i am almost dead even sea level where our 1/4 mile track is, and with a decent driver i have seen 120, but he was running lower tire pressure, and it is automatic too, which from what i have seen helps with the 60' times. but yes, simple bolt-ons and some e will get pretty close, and again, way less $. but, my oh my do the 5.0's sound like sex for sale with a good exhaust....lol

[JBThrasher22]

See what the chevy nut swinger is probably going off is the fact that the zl1 beat the boss 302 when they tested them on the track. Problem with that is the fact that it only beat the boss by a whopping 2.45 seconds even with the "shitty" live axle. Put the factory warrentied supercharger upgrade on the boss and where it actually lost time (which was the straight aways due to being underpowered vs the zl1) I promise you it would be a different outcome.

Also the ZL1 just posted up their quarter mile times on camaro5 and guess what it trapped 116. So it can barely hang with a 2012 GT500 , and you think it will be able to touch the new 2013 GT500 which is actually in its same class. Roflmao dude you need to give it up even hard core chevy fans are giving the proper respect to the new mustangs that they are due.

Back on topic OP test drive both and figure out which one meets your price range / limit of use better. People can recommend things all they want but it just boils down to what you want out of the cars.

[CajunBud876]

^----With the new launch system and extra 150hp the ZL1 is dead on the 1/4 mile.

[x09MS3GT]

Originally Posted by captain slow Dude, try again. Go research '13 GT500 vs '13 Camaro SS before you run your mouth. Just cuz you like GM doesn't mean they own every car out there. Ford has started to get their shit together with the Mustangs.

Im not running my mouth, im getting my information directly from proven lap times.

Look man, im not a fan of domestic vehicles in any sort honestly.

You guys are just not getting my point.
If you look at my post, i didnt say hey, the GT mustang sucks compared to the vette or the cts-v or the zl1. The point I was trying to get across was the fact that people need to LOOK and SEE where the development of Chevy was compared to Ford in general.
Where is FORD on anything ? Nowhere, because they have had nothing to offer for the past 10 years.

Is the newer mustang better than the Camaro SS ? Ok, yes....You got me there . Ford finally has a wildcard in play.
Everyone's on the bandwagon, the new mustang is the great new thing right now.
Now lets see where they go with it.

[analbumcover]

Originally Posted by x09MS3GT Im not running my mouth, im getting my information directly from proven lap times. Look man, im not a fan of domestic vehicles in any sort honestly. You guys are just not getting my point. If you look at my post, i didnt say hey, the GT mustang sucks compared to the vette or the cts-v or the zl1. The point I was trying to get across was the fact that people need to LOOK and SEE where the development of Chevy was compared to Ford in general. Where is FORD on anything ? Nowhere, because they have had nothing to offer for the past 10 years. Is the newer mustang better than the Camaro SS ? Ok, yes....You got me there . Ford finally has a wildcard in play. Everyone's on the bandwagon, the new mustang is the great new thing right now. Now lets see where they go with it.

What your fail to realize x09MS3GT is that the live axle is part of the mustang appeal. The mustang isnt built to be a lotus elise. its a muscle car which happens to also handle really, really well with the crude technology it has to work with. Ford contemplated IRS for the mustang but decided against it because it looses that crude, raw nature that cars like the MS3 have. Thats the feeling that draws people in.

On a side note, if I was getting a muscle car it would be the challenger 392. Drives like a boat but goes fast in a straight line and looks absolutely fantastic

@OP, i'll mention this again if it got lost.but if you're coming from a FWD (or that fake AWD) minivan that can barely get out of its own way to a 400+hp RWD its going to be quite a shock. I would say baby steps and opt for something less powerful or with AWD, especially for WI.

Have you looked at like a used G37x? Still quick, much more feature heavy and has a pretty good AWD system. Damn reliable too (at least compared to its german rivals)


@GODspeed7, I see you saw where the corvette mention was. No harm no foul. Confusing thread.

[BLK_MS3]

Originally Posted by Voltwings No cost is a valid point, and what i meant by "bolt ons" was quite literally that haha, even on my e85 tune im trapping 112, 113 best in the quarter and a 5.0 does what 116-118? i dont remember exactly but more than enough to pull away from me.

Stock 5.0's trap around 110-113 and run in the high 12's.

[Boatcop1]

Originally Posted by x09MS3GT Im not running my mouth, im getting my information directly from proven lap times. Look man, im not a fan of domestic vehicles in any sort honestly. You guys are just not getting my point. If you look at my post, i didnt say hey, the GT mustang sucks compared to the vette or the cts-v or the zl1. The point I was trying to get across was the fact that people need to LOOK and SEE where the development of Chevy was compared to Ford in general. Where is FORD on anything ? Nowhere, because they have had nothing to offer for the past 10 years. Is the newer mustang better than the Camaro SS ? Ok, yes....You got me there . Ford finally has a wildcard in play. Everyone's on the bandwagon, the new mustang is the great new thing right now. Now lets see where they go with it.

Actually yeah you did start off by just bashing the mustang because of its SRA. I used to be a huge Ford nut swinger bro and then I realized how frigging narrow minded i sounded. I love all performance vehicles foreign and domestic.

Ford hasent offered anything in the last 10 years huh? Ever here of the 2003/04 Ford Mustang Cobra aka Terminator? 390/390 stock with IRS! Add $1500 in mods and your putting down 450/450ish. Upgrade the blower to a TS and your at 600/600 with long tubes! Yeah Ford really screwed the pooch on that one! That DOHC block is absolutley insane what power level it can handle stock let alone building it. Ask me how I know. The new Ford Ecoboost line? V6's putting down V8 power numbers and tourqe. The new 5.0 Coyote is insane! Guys are fully bolting them to a reliable 550 and sometimes 600 RWHP on a stock block and good tune!

To be objective The ZO6 has always been one of my favorite rides ever period end of story. My first few cars were Gm's. I'm not a nut swinger or a hater just an objective car nut.

[Atlanta]

Ford GT? Hell, the Taurus SHO us pretty damn sweet and so is the Focus RS or whatever that green car is from the other thread.

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[Darth_Nuruodo]

Yeah, I would have said the exact opposite of his statement, seems to me Ford has really gotten its shit together in the last 10 years. The Mustangs keep getting better every couple of years, the Focuses that were released in Europe over the last several years have been pretty kick-ass, and are finally starting to show up here (ST later this year), the new SHO with the twin turbos is bad as hell for a family sedan. V6 Eco-boost truck motors kicking out V8 power and good gas mileage to boot like was mentioned above. They're getting better each year, and completely showing up the crap they put out in the 80s and 90s.

[671 grains of reason]

not reading this whole thread. now let me give you(OP) sage advice if it has been said, dont care.

you are coming from a 2004 sienna. a minivan. any car of a performance pedigree will be a huge change for you, not to mention a stick shift if you go ms3. a mustang has the potential of wrapping itself around a tree with a inexperienced driver or someone new to the rwd dynamic. now if i were you and wanted something sporty wait for the scion fr-s to come out later this year. please think about your choice and maybe go for something less likely to make you a statistic.

gotta start at the bottom before you go to the top, so to speak.

[Voltwings]

Originally Posted by BLK MS3 Stock 5.0's trap around 110-113 and run in the high 12's.

yeah enough to beat a stock ms3 but since i am fully bolted, i was making the comparison against a likewise modified mustang.

[fortressofcomfort]

In B4 @SWAY or @gearhead750 says this thread is full of ghey and fail.

[BLK_MS3]

Originally Posted by Voltwings yeah enough to beat a stock ms3 but since i am fully bolted, i was making the comparison against a likewise modified mustang.

But with a few mods a 5.0 will walk a fully bolted MS3 badly. One of my buddies I race my other car with has a '12 with manual, 3:73's, headers, catback, cold air and basic tune. On drag radials he runs 11.90's all day. I had to do a lot more to get my car car to run that years back. The new 5.0's are sick cars and a league above a Speed to me.

[bigspender]

Originally Posted by jakk Hello. I am planning to buy a new car over the next few months. I was originally debating the MS3 vs. a WRX, but I eliminated the WRX due to not being able to find one to test drive and also the lack of features vs. a speed3 for the price. Just for fun one day I began to look at the Mustang GT and found that they were more affordable than I had assumed and would be within my price range of vehicles to purchase (obviously not as cheap as a MS3, but that is not the point of this thread). I would plan on getting the GT with the GT track package which adds Brembos and upgrades the suspension as well as the tires. I know from a straight line the GT beats the MS3 no question. My main concern is how the MS3 will compare to the GT in terms of handling. The GT is about 400 lbs heavier. Has anyone on this forum driven a 2011+ Mustang GT so they could compare it to how a MS3 handles? Reviews seem to indicate that it pulls a slightly better skidpad number, but I don't know how that compares to real-world driving. I'm coming from driving an 04 Sienna (parent's car...), so I really have no idea of what "good" handling feels like, and am more concerned with how I will feel a year or so down the road with a new car. I know this seems like an odd comparison, but I thought I'd ask here as, like I said, I have no prior experience with "performance" vehicles. Thanks for your help.

get the stang if you got the cash thread/

[Dash08]

This whole thread is ridiculous.

OP, you'd be a damn fool to NOT buy the mustang. If you want performance, that coyote motor is ripe for the picking. Disregard suspension talk. Aftermarket parts and the right tuning can make anything a track monster.

I'm not saying the MS3 is garbage, it's one of the funnest cars I've owned. But, when you're talking to a gear head who prefers function over form, the mustang is the clear choice.

On another note, I find it strange how some folks just can't give credit where it's due.

For fucks sake, Ford got it right this time. Why is that so difficult to appreciate? People all over the world are raving about the new stangs for a reason...

They aren't a fad, they're fucking bad!!!!

[671 grains of reason]

^yeah that.

[Payne Racing 67]

Originally Posted by x09MS3GT ROFL, you sir, are indeed insane. A 2012 GT mustang better than a 2012 Camaro SS.....not by a longshot. You have no idea what your talking about.

Suck chevys dick some more buddy. My friend who works at a chevy dealer, and is a die hard Chevy guy, even admitted the new 5.0 shits on the new Shitmaro.

[gearhead750]

this thread is full of ghey and fail.

Jeez...it couldn't get any worse. Fucking Ford and Chevy. Two dogs with fleas....

And it keeps getting worse as I scroll upward. I read shit backwards bitches...

[SLOWHATCH]

Lol at even the Charger Srt8 beating the Crapmaro. I like the Charger Srt8 myself but didn't realize it was that much more expensive over the Gt.

[jakk]

Thanks for all of the replies. I have been going back and forth between dealers and am finding that I can get a better deal than I had thought on a Mustang, so I am leaning in that direction right now. The insurance between the speed3 and the Mustang was almost exactly the same, so that is a nice surprise as well. Regardless of which direction I end up going, I still think the speed3 is an awesome car and definitely can't be beat in terms of price/performance/practicality.

[MS3MYK]

Originally Posted by Dash08 This whole thread is ridiculous. OP, you'd be a damn fool to NOT buy the mustang. If you want performance, that coyote motor is ripe for the picking. Disregard suspension talk. Aftermarket parts and the right tuning can make anything a track monster. I'm not saying the MS3 is garbage, it's one of the funnest cars I've owned. But, when you're talking to a gear head who prefers function over form, the mustang is the clear choice. On another note, I find it strange how some folks just can't give credit where it's due. For fucks sake, Ford got it right this time. Why is that so difficult to appreciate? People all over the world are raving about the new stangs for a reason... They aren't a fad, they're fucking bad!!!!

couldn't be more right! This is the first time Ford has got it 100% right with the Mustang since the 03-04 Cobras. Chevy fanboiis hated on that car as well for one reason, it was BY FAR superior to the failmaro.

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[WAHBAM]

If you are keeping the Sienna, get the Mustang.

If you are getting rid of the Sienna, get the MS3.

Problem Solved...

[sheldonross]

Originally Posted by x09MS3GT Where is FORD on anything ? Nowhere, because they have had nothing to offer for the past 10 years.

Except for this little thing... But I suppose they did stop making it 6 years ago.

Ford GT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ford_GT

Oh and they actually made a Mustang continously... while Chevy dropped the Camaro. And Firebird.... and Pontiac

Oh and they didn't go bankrupt lol does that count for anything?

/offtopic

[BoogadyBoo]

The Mustang has come a long way since the last time I owned one (03 GT), I took care of my brothers 09 GT when he was over in Afghanistan and I was shocked at how well the car was, and it wasn't even the 5.0. So just like everyone else here has been saying, if price isn't an issue go with the mustang. My brothers is completely murdered out and ya, it turned heads everywhere I went with it. Good Luck

[karl-hungus]

Test drove a 13 base gt with brembos tonight with some retarded sales kid. I like the new front end and black gauges but the rear end is ghetto and the cloth seats suck.

I showed him the ms3 so he could see it was clean and grab the vin and mileage. Told him it was stock besides the rx-8 wheels as it was dark and he didn't bother to raise the hood.

Dealer has a few leftover 12 gt premiums with 3.73 rear end and hid/security package. Told him $29k out the door.

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by karl-hungus Test drove a 13 base gt with brembos tonight with some retarded sales kid. I like the new front end and black gauges but the rear end is ghetto and the cloth seats suck. I showed him the ms3 so he could see it was clean and grab the vin and mileage. Told him it was stock besides the rx-8 wheels as it was dark and he didn't bother to raise the hood. Dealer has a few leftover 12 gt premiums with 3.73 rear end and hid/security package. Told him $29k out the door.

And what'd you think?

[karl-hungus]

I think I want the 12 gt premium if I can give the dealer ass to mouth.

[Atlanta]

Originally Posted by karl-hungus I think I want the 12 gt premium if I can give the dealer ass to mouth.

His ass your mouth?

[Matthew Myers]

Originally Posted by x09MS3GT ROFL, you sir, are indeed insane. A 2012 GT mustang better than a 2012 Camaro SS.....not by a longshot. You have no idea what your talking about.

New 5.0 definitely beats the camaro in every comparison test... I don't know what your smoking

Originally Posted by jonspeed3 You're a fucking idiot. 2013 GT500 shits on anything within the same price range. And really fgt, comparing a 2 seater sports car to a 4 seater muscle car. While you're at it idiot go compare a F-16 to a Biplane. Dumbass. PS-Camaros are heavy, slow turds.

Thank you!

[Dash08]

Originally Posted by Matthew Myers New 5.0 definitely beats the camaro in every comparison test... I don't know what your smoking

Obviously, not any good shit when he's thinking the way he currently is.

Even crack heads know the new 5.0's are sick.

So yeah, what the fuck is he smoking?