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wink 01-07-2012 06:28 PM

Monitor Water Temperature and other Paramaters
 
Hello,

Just took delivery on a 2012 Speed3. Interesting that it was about $300 less than I expected to pay. However without the tech package it did NOT have the Bose stereo. It seems that after the earthquake Mazda was in a rush to get some 2012 Speed3 into the pipeline but they did not have the Bose system ready yet. You can tell which of the 2012 non-tech packages have the NON-BOSE because the window sticker has an "R" in it and an MSRP of $23,700 instead of $24,000.

That is fine with me as I was happy to save the money. I have heard many complaints about the Bose system. That included the sales person who sold me the car.

I have also installed a "ScanGauge II Ultra Compact 3-in-1 Automotive Computer with Customizable Real-Time Fuel Economy Digital Gauges" . This is available on Amazon at


It provides real-time info from the ODBII Port. It will show four parameters at a time and includes water temperature, Air inlet temperature and MAP reading. I will try and post some pics of the install tomorrow.

My last car was a Neon SRT-4 and as it got older the temperature started to occasionally go a bit to high. I would never have seen that with the idiot lights on the MS3. The fix was a simple change out of the thermostat. By the way, the SRT-4 is available if any-one is interested.

If any-one else has installed the Scan Gauge, there are some custom routines that can be programmed. This is partly trial and error. Has any-one here taken advantage of some of the custom routines? Some include monitoring the output of the Oxygen sensors and fuel pressure.

I got the car on New Years Eve and have about 550 miles on it already. I got the snow tires (16 inch steelies with 205/50-16 General Altimax studded) from Town Fair Tire.

Can't wait to play in the snow and see how the Traction Control and Limited Slip work.

"oh" it is liquid silver in color.

Thanks
-Scott

Tokay444 01-07-2012 06:33 PM

We knew about the "r's" being cheaper.
Now we know definitively why.

bigriver 01-07-2012 06:35 PM

I have the scangauge but its pretty useless now. I'm going to pull it out and put my ashtray back in.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...zda/photo6.jpg

Read the instructions on creating x-gauges on the scangauge site.

Sid3wayS 01-07-2012 07:21 PM

Thats an interesting alternative to the DH. Also what complaints are there about the BOSE system? I love mine

SamInAustinTX 01-07-2012 07:25 PM

Ultragauge FTW

86AmishMs3 01-07-2012 07:25 PM

go big turbo, should fix your problem.

pingaboo 01-07-2012 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid3wayS (Post 1199012)
Thats an interesting alternative to the DH. Also what complaints are there about the BOSE system? I love mine

I don't know about the non tech ones, but I don't really like my BOSE, it doesn't have enough bass. My old protege was better than this.

ahfunaki 01-07-2012 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigriver (Post 1198959)
I have the scangauge but its pretty useless now. I'm going to pull it out and put my ashtray back in.

http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/h...zda/photo6.jpg

Read the instructions on creating x-gauges on the scangauge site.

Why is it useless?

Also what did you make that mount out of? Want to send it my way when you put your ash tray back in?

Sid3wayS 01-07-2012 08:01 PM

Realy? Mine is a 2010 tech and it aint no kicker comp but I think it has a decent lil thump to it.

@bigriver you have an ashtray there? Mine is just a pocket with a 12v port

SamInAustinTX 01-07-2012 08:13 PM

@bigriver I knew what you meant by ashtray

bigriver 01-07-2012 08:20 PM

@ahfunaki - I have an AP and DashCommand app on my phone so I don't really use the SG. Plust the SG I have cannot monitor fuel rail pressure. The mount is just a piece of felt over a plastic cutout that was glued to the back of the face piece. Nothing fancy but looks good. But I don't use the SG anymore.

@Sid3wayS - hahah, I'm an old guy so I still call that space an ashtray. but you are correct, its just the pocket with 12v plug.

@SamInAustinTX - Thanks!

ahfunaki 01-07-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigriver (Post 1199116)
@ahfunaki - I have an AP and DashCommand app on my phone so I don't really use the SG. Plust the SG I have cannot monitor fuel rail pressure. The mount is just a piece of felt over a plastic cutout that was glued to the back of the face piece. Nothing fancy but looks good. But I don't use the SG anymore.

@Sid3wayS - hahah, I'm an old guy so I still call that space an ashtray. but you are correct, its just the pocket with 12v plug.

@SamInAustinTX - Thanks!

Awesome, I'm probably going to have to do something like that for mine. I was going to mount it up high but I think I might like it there better...

ArcticSpeed3 01-07-2012 08:26 PM

IDK, my non-tech and non-bose 2011 hits pretty decent with all the dubstep and progressive house music I listen to...

Sid3wayS 01-07-2012 09:07 PM

Damn I got all excited for nothing.

Damon 01-07-2012 09:19 PM

I have a 2012 non tech that has a Bose system, guess I got lucky as I love it!

SamInAustinTX 01-08-2012 01:19 AM

I found the non bose to be ok until about half volume.

f-castrillo 01-08-2012 01:28 AM

Meh, I've never been too much of an audiophile. I love my music, and it has to sound decent as far as output quality, but I can't discern a 320kbps CD rip vs. the actual CD, or FLAC vs. compressed audio, etc. I love my Bose in my tech package (might be brand name association), but if I had a non-Bose setup, I'm sure I would still like it.

Anyways, if you own an Android phone, I'm gonna recommend the PLX Kiwi Bluetooth OBD-II scantool, along with the Torque app. It turns your phone into a scantool capable of showing/clearing DTCs, and reading the basic PIDs from the ECU (extended PIDs like BATs and KR are not available to us Genpu guys yet).

Tokay444 01-08-2012 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damon (Post 1199199)
I have a 2012 non tech that has a Bose system, guess I got lucky as I love it!

Or you spent the extra 300 bucks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by f-castrillo (Post 1199360)
Meh, I've never been too much of an audiophile. I love my music, and it has to sound decent as far as output quality, but I can't discern a 320kbps CD rip vs. the actual CD, or FLAC vs. compressed audio, etc. I love my Bose in my tech package (might be brand name association), but if I had a non-Bose setup, I'm sure I would still like it.

Anyways, if you own an Android phone, I'm gonna recommend the PLX Kiwi Bluetooth OBD-II scantool, along with the Torque app. It turns your phone into a scantool capable of showing/clearing DTCs, and reading the basic PIDs from the ECU (extended PIDs like BATs and KR are not available to us Genpu guys yet).

On a good stereo you'd most definitely be able to tell the difference between compressed and un compressed.

SamInAustinTX 01-08-2012 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 1199363)
On a good stereo you'd most definitely be able to tell the difference between compressed and un compressed.

Couldn't agree more, upgraded my system and now I cant stand Sirius audio quality.

f-castrillo 01-08-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 1199363)
Or you spent the extra 300 bucks.



On a good stereo you'd most definitely be able to tell the difference between compressed and un compressed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamInAustinTX (Post 1199370)
Couldn't agree more, upgraded my system and now I cant stand Sirius audio quality.

I guess it helps that I've never upgraded the audio systems in my cars. I don't feel so bad about missing out when I've never heard an upgraded system

wink 01-08-2012 03:18 PM

If I want to listen to music I go to the living room and turn on the sound system (David Hafler 220 w/full calibrated equalization, Infinity speakers etc. ) The reason for a high performance car like the MS3 is to drive and enjoy the ride. Sure I like to have music available. I have an 8 hour drive to Washington DC this weekend and it is nice to have some tunes and traffic reports, but a car is not anyplace close to an ideal listening environment so why spend an arm and a leg to have a system that can reproduce every note of which you cannot hear half of them. I do want a system that is able to be loud enough to listen to without distortion.

By the way, the two people I spoke with about the BOSE said the bass was ok but the highs sounded flat.

Also, the expression riding shotgun came about from the passenger in the car taking out the idiot with the car stereo next to them, who insisted on the entire city block listen to them playing Achy-Break y-Heart!!!

SamInAustinTX 01-08-2012 05:01 PM

Uhh...cause cruisin in the speed3 with some beats and a J is the shit?

Southernace76 01-09-2012 08:41 PM

Ultra Gauge.

Printman 07-31-2012 05:17 PM

I have a 2012 MS3 with tech and the Bose and compared to the Bose in my wife's 08 CX9 it is not even a comparison. The CX9 system blows the MS3 system away. But like others have posted I do not crank it up because the sound of the engine throughout the rpm range is music in itself even with stock exhaust.

Yatta 10-12-2012 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigriver (Post 1199116)
@ahfunaki - I have an AP and DashCommand app on my phone so I don't really use the SG. Plust the SG I have cannot monitor fuel rail pressure. The mount is just a piece of felt over a plastic cutout that was glued to the back of the face piece. Nothing fancy but looks good. But I don't use the SG anymore.

@Sid3wayS - hahah, I'm an old guy so I still call that space an ashtray. but you are correct, its just the pocket with 12v plug.

@SamInAustinTX - Thanks!

Two thumbs up on Dash command, I have that and a Bluetooth odb2 reader, the combo gives me all the gauges Mazda omitted including EGT, IAT, FP, O2, WT, timing, on and on... Plus you can make custom gauges...

theurgy 10-12-2012 01:57 PM

Do any of these gauges monitor KR... cause if not they they are useless in my mind.

JDR767 10-12-2012 02:15 PM

"No highs, no lows....must be Bose!"

Tokay444 10-12-2012 02:55 PM

How do you get egt without a temp sensor?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yatta (Post 1678100)
Two thumbs up on Dash command, I have that and a Bluetooth odb2 reader, the combo gives me all the gauges Mazda omitted including EGT, IAT, FP, O2, WT, timing, on and on... Plus you can make custom gauges...

.

Yatta 10-12-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 1678211)
How do you get egt without a temp sensor?

.

Likely the same way it's polling which gear I am in, air/fuel and timing, the Mazda ECU, if I were to guess I would guess that either our o2 sensors provide this or its being computed by combining output from several sensors, or there is an egt sensor in line... sensing for advanced emissions.. Dash command will recognize and report on live monitor items, in this case EGT is being reported by the ECU and displayed. The odbII register is Exhaust Gas Temp BX-SX.

Yatta 10-12-2012 03:45 PM

Looks like its polling at the cat, that would have to be O2? I've got a spot IR that's good in the range for checking exhaust, next time I've got time to play ill check reported versus read readings from the IR

Tokay444 10-12-2012 10:31 PM

Lol. Cat temperature is NOT exhaust gas temperature.

I have cat temp on my dashhawk.
Thanks for playing.

Yatta 10-13-2012 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokay444 (Post 1678946)
Lol. Cat temperature is NOT exhaust gas temperature.

I have cat temp on my dashhawk.
Thanks for playing.

Yeah your right, it's still useful.

theurgy 10-13-2012 03:05 PM

The gauge is $150 and still unable to tell you one of the most important things to monitor.
Dashhawk or Aeroforce Interceptor are some of the only OBD2 based gauges that can tell you knock retard.

Don't waste you money on anything else.
The Dashhawk can also datalog, and the Interceptor fits in a standard 52mm round gauge pod.


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