New Member - Potential Buyer Questions

[Stingray69]

One Big Mac special sauce stain and them fag ass plaid seats will never be the same. Get the MS3. Save your typing time to tell us how sick the GF feels after the first 60 MPH cloverleaf! Iv'e seen guys buy dealerships quicker than you are buying one car.






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[ANITIX87]

Originally Posted by G26 I just looked at a pic of the GTI interior, that shit looks mad boring. Looks like every other boring ass interior out there.

Originally Posted by adlpb I agree, I don't see what the hype is with the interior. It looks plain and old (minus the screen) which is an additional package itself. You can get a screen for the MS3 for $400. The leather seats are an additional $3K or so. No thanks

It may not look interesting, but the quality is fantastic. Everything is built perfectly, the screen is awesome, the dials are sweet. I love the interior.

As for the leather seats, you don't buy a GTI and pass on the incredible classic plaid seats. The leather is for those who don't know what a GTI means to the automotive world and have too much money to spend.

TIS

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by ANITIX87 It may not look interesting, but the quality is fantastic. Everything is built perfectly, the screen is awesome, the dials are sweet. I love the interior. As for the leather seats, you don't buy a GTI and pass on the incredible classic plaid seats. The leather is for those who don't know what a GTI means to the automotive world and have too much money to spend. TIS

It seems like you had your mind made up before you asked the question. So I suggest you visit the VW dealer tonight and buy the GTI

[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by adlpb It seems like you had your mind made up before you asked the question. So I suggest you visit the VW dealer tonight and buy the GTI

Or this is the weakest troll ever

[analbumcover]

Originally Posted by adlpb It seems like you had your mind made up before you asked the question. So I suggest you visit the VW dealer tonight and buy the GTI

be nice. before i came here i went to the hyundai genesis forums to see why a genesis might be better than a MS3 and i did the same thing, showed that the MS3 is cheaper, more practical, quicker, more reliable (arugably), better resale etc etc. They said the same thing you guys are saying "your mind is made up, etc etc". He just wants to be proved differently and we should try.

As of now, the only thing i see that the GTI has better is the interior and say what you want. the GTI interior IS better. If you dont think it is, go sit in one, touch everything, push all the buttons. Everything is executed with precision and perfection.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by analbumcover be nice. before i came here i went to the hyundai genesis forums to see why a genesis might be better than a MS3 and i did the same thing, showed that the MS3 is cheaper, more practical, quicker, more reliable (arugably), better resale etc etc. They said the same thing you guys are saying "your mind is made up, etc etc". He just wants to be proved differently and we should try. As of now, the only thing i see that the GTI has better is the interior and say what you want. the GTI interior IS better. If you dont think it is, go sit in one, touch everything, push all the buttons. Everything is executed with precision and perfection.

How was I not being nice? You want me to blow hugs and kisses? You're acting like I insulted him.

And yes, as a matter of fact, I did sit on a GTI not more than a month ago. My girlfriend bought an EOS and I went to the dealership with her. I was definitely NOT impressed by the interior. The plastic in the trim looks weak. And the seats make me want to throw up. I mean who makes such disgusting stitch pattern in this day and age?

Am I saying the MS3 has a better interior? No. But if both have interiors which are lower quality, and one car has superior performance, then there's no question to what you should buy. But this is my point of view. And what I commented was a suggestion.

But since you want me to be even nicer, them XOXO for you.

[Elusivellama]

Originally Posted by ANITIX87 The three I've narrowed it down to are: VW Golf GTI Mazdaspeed3 Ford Focus ST (if it comes to US dealers before I'm ready to buy). I've test-driven the VW and the MS3, and right now, it comes down to one key question: Am I willing to sacrifice the MS3's far, far superior performance for the GTI's much nicer interior and more supple ride? I'm leaning towards no, because I was very underwhelmed by the GTI's acceleration off the line, but that interior really is absolutely fantastic.

I'm trying to understand the rationale behind picking a slower car that doesn't perform as well based on the plaid seats and better interior. I didn't think the interior was absolutely fantastic (sat in a few over the past few months), but I do concede that it is a nice interior nonetheless.

BTW the MS3 isn't far, far superior in performance - that's an exaggeration. It's about a notch and a half above that of a GTI. Even in stock form, the acceleration will kill a GTI.

To that end, I've got some questions for the MS3 owners in here, especially the ones who live in the Northeast or Canada, where weather and road quality are notoriously worse than in SoCal or Florida! 1) Suspension - many reviews criticise the MS3 for having much too harsh a ride. When I test-drove, I didn't get the impression it was something I wouldn't be able to live with every day, but the sensation is always different in the driver's seat and the test-drive was way too short to really get a good impression. How does the suspension hold up to little imperfections in the road (I do the vast majority of my driving on local streets at 30-50MPH that have small holes, manholes, and general inconsistencies)?? How does the suspension handle any really problematic, neglected roads (especially after a harsh winter)?? I drive through New York City and the outlying highways a lot, and I cringe at a lot of the stuff my little Focus has to deal with on a daily basis. As I've spend more on suspension repairs and replacements for the Focus than I did to buy the car in the first place, I'd like a car that will be able to handle anything the roads here will throw at it and not break my back (or the bank). I've also got to consider the comfort levels of the passengers, as I tend to be the chauffeur for my friends and especially my girlfriend who gets nauseous easily. Has this been a problem for anybody?

No problem at all, whatsoever. It wasn't designed to be a sofa on wheels, so you will feel the bumps and such, but they have never gotten to the point where I felt like I was beat up everytime I got out of the car. Driving technique also helps - just don't drive over the large potholes and manholes....a large enough pothole will rip you and your car a new one if you drive into it, no matter what passenger car you're driving.

Just keep in mind that reviewers like to sensationalize their articles by making exaggerations like 'mountain of torque steer' or 'punishing ride that feels like a massage by an RMT named Olga', or other bullshit like that.

2) The Navigation Package - Again, reviews cite it as being too small and low-resolution to be useful in reading, though the voice commands are clear and accurate. Anybody have more input on this? I'd especially be interested in seeing some images from the driver's point-of-view of the system working and showing directions. I like the things the tech-package offers (HIDs, Sound system, BSM, keyless, etc), but I can't justify the premium if the navigation isn't going to be useful and if I'll find myself using my cell phone more often (or buying a TomTom or something).

TBH, just buy a Garmin or TomTom, or use your iphone. The problem isn't the screen size or resolution... the problem is the software and how you're locked into it. First, street names sometimes don't even show up even when I'm driving on established roads - leading me to guess at where I am. Second, it's $200 (cdn) to get map updates from Mazda... for each year. Screw that.

Web-based stuff is where it's at... that, or free lifetime map updates.

That said, the Tech Pkg is useful for other things such as:

- 265 watt stereo w/ 10 speaker
- push button start (I love this)
- HIDs with AFS swivelling lights (AFS definitely works as advertised)
- probably forgot some other feature

3) Winter - This is a big one for those who have experience. Obviously, my first purchase would be a set of winter wheels/tires, but is the 263HP and 280lb-ft something that will make driving in snow/ice miserable even with a great set of M/S tires? Even my current Focus (130HP) makes winter starts on an uphill a tedious task, and I don't want to hate my car for 4 months out of the year.

I'm in Canada. I ran 16" steelies and Hankook w409s this past winter. I never got stuck, even going uphill during a blizzard. To make the point clearer, instead of swearing or cursing like I did with my previous 2 non-turbo 4-cyl cars (without winter tires), I was curiously silent. All I could think of was "goddamn I'm ever glad I spent that chunk of change on these tires" as I drove home without any incident.

Control the power with your right foot and common sense - just because you have 263hp/280lb-ft tq doesn't mean you have to jam on the throttle.

4) Longevity - Here's my biggest "concern." Whichever car I buy will be in my garage for 10+ years. I tend to keep my cars until I really need a new one and while it's possible I'll be able to afford a more "sensible" daily driver before then, I really want to be confident this next car will make it through the long-haul. In the GTI, I drove 5 minutes and knew it was incredibly built, solid, reliable, and able to handle everyday life. The MS3 really shone when I asked it to perform in ludicrous ways, but some of the features (no power seats and the bad driving position, some of the materials on the inside, the button layout, etc) made me think I may yearn for a nicer place to be a few years from now, when the novelty of having the best-performing hot-hatch wears off. I realize there aren't many high-mileage Gen2 MS3s out there, so it's hard to judge for sure, but I am curious what experiences others have had with repair costs, maintenance costs, and general reliability and "everyday quality".

Thus far, no repair costs... maintenance is $25 an oil change (I bring my own oil), going for my 3rd oil change next week. Drove the car through some very nasty snowstorms and rainstorms, left the car out in the freezing cold for 8hrs a day when I'm at work - starts up without any issue (this is where the push button start is very useful, you can open and start the car even with thick gloves on).

Everyday quality is excellent for a car like this. Nothing is falling off, no lights are shorting out, doors open and shut reassuringly, brakes work very well, all the switches look and feel good, etc. I felt that the shifting was too rubbery and notchy, but have since installed a 650gm JBR heavy shift knob and that made the shifting action a lot better. The CPE 75 duro Rear motor mount also helped with the shift feel (looking at getting a JBR passenger motor mount for even more solidity). This car doesn't like to be driven and shifted under 2500rpm - stick to 3000 - 4000 for shifting in everyday driving, and shift at 5500rpm when driving spiritedly. Remember to rev match and not to granny shift or the car will jerk and thump.

Aside from that, the interior quality is something that takes you about a couple weeks to adjust to. The majority of the plastics used are nicely grained - the upper door panels, in particular, are quite attractive, as well as the soft-touch dash), all of the controls look and feel good and don't give you the impression that they're cheap, and all of the parts that you touch are designed to look and feel good - aside from the seat patterning. I'm not a fan of the splashed red design on the seats, but you don't even notice them when you're sitting and driving... so... meh.

What I'm still impressed with, even after only 9 months after taking delivery of it, is the handling, the feeling that the car is in tune with you and responds to your input in a predictable manner, along with its power delivery once you have it in the proper power band. Simply put, the whole 'Jinba-Ittai' thing that Mazda likes to talk about can be felt right here when you drive the MS3.

Thanks to everybody for your input. I really look forward to getting some good insight, having a nice discussion, and getting to know the people on these forums (and hopefully avoiding some flaming). ANITIX87

Well, ultimately it is your money and your decision. I was in pretty much the same boat as you were about a year ago with regards to the VW GTI and the MS3. The GTI has a nicer interior and better fuel economy... that's about it. The MS3 just feels better to drive. It isn't more comfortable and docile (not to be confused with 'better to drive') than the GTI.

As for the Focus ST coming out next year, it is definitely something to look out for, though the use of an e-diff instead of a real LSD is a major downer.

In the end, you have to ask yourself just how patient you are as a consumer. Can you wait a couple years to see how the 3rd gen MS3 looks like? Chances are Mazda is going to hit it very hard with the revision stick - my guess is new SkyActiv turbo engine that gets better power and fuel economy than the current 2.3L MZR DISI, new chassis, new in-house 6 speed transmission, Kodo styling (nicer than the Nagare styling!), much more updated cabin tech and safety tech, etc.

[G26]

Originally Posted by analbumcover be nice. before i came here i went to the hyundai genesis forums to see why a genesis might be better than a MS3 and i did the same thing, showed that the MS3 is cheaper, more practical, quicker, more reliable (arugably), better resale etc etc. They said the same thing you guys are saying "your mind is made up, etc etc". He just wants to be proved differently and we should try. As of now, the only thing i see that the GTI has better is the interior and say what you want. the GTI interior IS better. If you dont think it is, go sit in one, touch everything, push all the buttons. Everything is executed with precision and perfection.

It may use high quality materials, but the design resembles a rental car. Meanwhile IMO, the design of the interior of the gen 2 ms3 is great, not to mention using high quality cusiony materials etc.

Kids drive gtis. i see one on every block, along with civic si's and now the hyundai genesis. I rarely see a MS3 out there, not to mention performance wise, it will take a shit on any of those other cars.

[ANITIX87]

Originally Posted by stingray One Big Mac special sauce stain and them fag ass plaid seats will never be the same. Get the MS3. Save your typing time to tell us how sick the GF feels after the first 60 MPH cloverleaf! Iv'e seen guys buy dealerships quicker than you are buying one car.

Sorry. I'll try not to make any rational decisions. I won't be buying for a little while. Trying to get as much research in as possible. I never make any decisions quickly, and I make sure what I do buy is perfect for me. Took me 7 weeks to buy a tennis racket last year. And I plan to keep it for years and years.

Originally Posted by adlpb It seems like you had your mind made up before you asked the question. So I suggest you visit the VW dealer tonight and buy the GTI

Not even close. Every fiber of my being wants the MS3. I came here to see what kinds of experience the owners have. To assure myself it's the perfect buy.

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny Or this is the weakest troll ever

Not a troll. Sorry!

Originally Posted by analbumcover As of now, the only thing i see that the GTI has better is the interior and say what you want. the GTI interior IS better. If you dont think it is, go sit in one, touch everything, push all the buttons. Everything is executed with precision and perfection.

Exactly. Like I said above, it may not look oodles better, but it's just made in a different class.

Originally Posted by adlpb My girlfriend bought an EOS and I went to the dealership with her. I was definitely NOT impressed by the interior. The plastic in the trim looks weak. And the seats make me want to throw up. I mean who makes such disgusting stitch pattern in this day and age?

What's funny is that tons of people say the same thing about the black/red design of the Speed3 seats.

Thanks for your awesome feedback. I've taken it all to heart. I really appreciate it. Sadly, I don't think my current car will last until Gen3, but I'm certain it can hold out until the ST is out and about.

Originally Posted by G26 I see one on every block, along with civic si's and now the hyundai genesis. I rarely see a MS3 out there, not to mention performance wise, it will take a shit on any of those other cars.

That's another big argument for the MS3. The people who drive GTIs tend to be less than tolerable, and there are thousands of GTIs all over the place.

TIS

[adlpb]

I researched this car and the GTI for a while. Not to offend you, but I did not go to the GTI/MS3 forums for opinions. You are obviously going to get biased results. It's always best to do your own independent research. Then go see both cars and see what you like for yourself.

[Rustysocket]

Originally Posted by adlpb I researched this car and the GTI for a while. Not to offend you, but I did not go to the GTI/MS3 forums for opinions. You are obviously going to get biased results. It's always best to do your own independent research. Then go see both cars and see what you like for yourself.

Plaid seats and all........

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by Rustysocket Plaid seats and all........

Yea those seats are a major shit factor

[dsmluck]

The GTI is slower in every pertinent performance category than the MS3.

If you want a smoother car get the GTI.
If you want much more performance get the MS3.

When I was shopping for new cars it was a no brainer. The MS3 was a car I had only slightly considered. Once I took it for a drive and compared it to the WRX and the GTI I ended up buying the car an hour later. I drive aggressive though and even today with the big turbo in there find reasons each day to punch it. Stop over thinking the decision and decide which is more important comfort and style or blistering performance?

[mazdaspdmike]

Didn't bother to read a lot of the posts beyond the first few. Take a drive in a new Focus, even without being the ST, you'll get a feel for how you like the layout of the interior and how it handles. The NA Focus for 2012 has a great suspension, in fact it's almost identical to the MS3 suspension, albeit a little softer with thicker sidewall tires, so you don't get as much road noise and harshness. It's a GREAT handling car, no doubt about it, just remember you don't have the power the ST will have.

Also, the new Ford EcoBoost 2.0 will most likely be pushing the mpg into the low 30s. Considering the 2.3 MZR DISI is now 5-6 years old and was co-developed by Ford, they've certainly learned some new tricks. For instance... carbon deposits definitely form in the MS3s intake valves, Ford apparently has done their homework and employs a method with their new GDI EcoBoost engines that nearly eliminates carbon deposit, and after some extensive testing, one of their EcoBoost engines had lost only 1 horsepower after a simulated (extensively) 80,000 miles I believe it was.

I'm definitely the new Focus fanboy if there is one on these forums, but for good reason, I've done a LOT of homework regarding the car. I've only had mine for a month but trust me, after owning my Gen1 MS3 for 3 years, I don't regret jumping ship. Even without modding the car it has it's hiccups and annoyances, especially with the engine. It's an oil burner for sure, the car doesn't get great gas mileage, and the suspension especially on the 2nd gen is harsh. After driving the Focus, the MS3 definitely had a harsh ride, and the suspension is a little up-rated on the 2nd gen MS3, so expect a bumpy ride, I hated mine on crappy roads.

The ST might not be any better in this regard but so far the car handles like a dream and still has a ride to be praised for.

I'd hold off if you can until the spring of next year when ST's hit showrooms, I know I for one wouldn't want to buy a car only to hate the decision I made compared to the next big thing when it comes out a few months later.

[zedekias]

Originally Posted by G26 It may use high quality materials, but the design resembles a rental car. Meanwhile IMO, the design of the interior of the gen 2 ms3 is great, not to mention using high quality cusiony materials etc. Kids drive gtis. i see one on every block, along with civic si's and now the hyundai genesis. I rarely see a MS3 out there, not to mention performance wise, it will take a shit on any of those other cars.

I've had my car for probably over a month now and I still haven't run into another MS3.

[Jake5713]

Op I understand you researching, I did for a full year as I was saving funds.
If you want better performance go with ms3,
Interior go with GTI
I have a , and I enjoy the interior ride isn't too rough (will improve once you ditch the dunlops) and it doesn't have plaid seats!!!
Ick plaid

But if you wanna keep it mostly stock don't read too much here. That was my plan and now I can't wait to go BT. Definitely not good for the wallet!!

Feel free to post or PM me any questions!!

[embibb]

I have owned a PR5 since '01 and from a reliability standpoint, Mazda is superb and has gained my loyalty. With that being said, I test drove a MS3 and have been lurking on these boards and at this point, I will be placing my order for a Pearl Wht/Tech MS3 in three weeks.

VW is a shop whore cause its HILTER'S REVENGE.....

[ANITIX87]

Originally Posted by adlpb You are obviously going to get biased results.

That's exactly why I came here. To see the biased opinions and see how MS3 owners feel about the aspects of the car I asked about after owning them for a while. I have driven both cars on extended test-drives, done a lot of research, and explored them in-depth. I had some questions, and came here. No offense taken to your comment, but I am well-versed in the two cars and was looking for some additional feedback. Not having owned either, it's hard for me to know what it's like living with one every day.

Originally Posted by adlpb Yea those seats are a major shit factor

To each their own, I guess!

Originally Posted by dsmluck Stop over thinking the decision and decide which is more important comfort and style or blistering performance?

To me, it's the performance. But as I said from the get-go, I plan to keep this car a long time. If it's going to break down on me, or hurt my back on extended drives, or be uncomfortable for passengers, then I may have to sacrifice the performance. I came here to see how the MS3 deals with an "everyday" life and what I can expect to throw at it. Not over-thinking. Just researching. What better place to learn about a car than amongst its owners?

Originally Posted by mazdaspdmike I'd hold off if you can until the spring of next year when ST's hit showrooms...

I don't plan to buy until the spring anyway, so this is definitely a factor for me. I'll be in the Ford dealer on the first day the ST is out.

Originally Posted by Jake5713 But if you wanna keep it mostly stock don't read too much here. That was my plan and now I can't wait to go BT.

I plan on deviating very little from factory-spec, but in the 5 days I've been here I've already found a ton of stuff I would love to do to the car. However, as I plan to keep the car for a long time and don't know much about doing this stuff hands-on and taking care of it once I do, I think I'll stay away from major mods until my warranty is gone.

Originally Posted by embibb I have owned a PR5 since '01 and from a reliability standpoint, Mazda is superb and has gained my loyalty.

Good to hear. If reliability is consistent across several models of a maker's line, it's safe to assume a given car won't be too far behind.

TIS

[Jake5713]

Haha same thing I said exactly to the word

[dsmluck]

I have driven multiple road trips in my MS3. The seats never bothered me. In fact I always felt engaged even on long trips because the car is soo damn fun to drive. I daily drive the hell out of my car. Its an 09 with 50k miles. In that time it has seen track duty between a road course and the drag strip. I can't even count the number of 1/4 mile runs it has done. It survived me plowing into another car on High Plains Raceway. The only issues I have had with the car through 50k miles of horrendous abuse was a leaking axle seal from wheel hopping too much and a broken plunger on the master cylinder. Right now it sees 23 psi daily on the 3076 and loves it. I honestly and truly believe if this was any other car in the price range it would not be running right now.

Seriously if I had ever abused any of my old DSMs this way they wouldn't have lasted a month.

[OmgitsSexyChase]

Im in the same boat as you, I've been in the market for a hot hatch and I've been deciding on the GTI and MS3, it's been going back in forth for me I can't really decide for sure yet but right now I'm leaning more towards the ms3.

I've been looking and doing my research on the two for about a month now, reading multiple forums, reviews, and talking to people with past experience with both company's.From what I've gathered VW have quite a lot of small maintenance over the years of a lot of little things going wrong and past electrical problem history. Most people I talk to tend to recommend the Mazda because they have generally been a more reliable brand in the past and Japanese cars are cheaper to repair then German built.

I wanted the VW for the great gas mileage and nicer interior to live with for a daily Driver and from what I've read you can run it on cheaper gas without any significant side effects other than a slight lose of power, while I've heard the MS3 is more picky about what you run it on and while sputter and run crudely (not that I would put cheap gas in it, but I have family who would drive the car who are cheap).

I test drove a Mazdaspeed 3 with a tech package and the screen seemed like it was placed well and small but just as small as a tom tom or cell phone so it worked just fine, and for me HID's are a must and everything else like push start, rain sensing wipers in just a plus. You just seem to get more for the Price. But Im not to happy about the Motor mount problems but I can live with just installing a new one.

Also the Community for Mazda's seem to be more helpful.

Hope that helps you in deciding.

[adlpb]

Originally Posted by OmgitsSexyChase Im in the same boat as you, I've been in the market for a hot hatch and I've been deciding on the GTI and MS3, it's been going back in forth for me I can't really decide for sure yet but right now I'm leaning more towards the ms3. I've been looking and doing my research on the two for about a month now, reading multiple forums, reviews, and talking to people with past experience with both company's.From what I've gathered VW have quite a lot of small maintenance over the years of a lot of little things going wrong and past electrical problem history. Most people I talk to tend to recommend the Mazda because they have generally been a more reliable brand in the past and Japanese cars are cheaper to repair then German built. I wanted the VW for the great gas mileage and nicer interior to live with for a daily Driver and from what I've read you can run it on cheaper gas without any significant side effects other than a slight lose of power, while I've heard the MS3 is more picky about what you run it on and while sputter and run crudely (not that I would put cheap gas in it, but I have family who would drive the car who are cheap). I test drove a Mazdaspeed 3 with a tech package and the screen seemed like it was placed well and small but just as small as a tom tom or cell phone so it worked just fine, and for me HID's are a must and everything else like push start, rain sensing wipers in just a plus. You just seem to get more for the Price. But Im not to happy about the Motor mount problems but I can live with just installing a new one. Also the Community for Mazda's seem to be more helpful. Hope that helps you in deciding.

You can get a motor mount for $90-120 (depending on hardness) from JBR shipped. Installation takes about 15 minutes and the change is huge. So I wouldn't call it a major problem.

Good job on doing your research and good luck with whatever you choose.

[CaptObvious75]

1. Suspension- From what I have heard, this one is more livable. You can live with it

2. Nav- Don't buy the tech package just for this. You will be better off with a $200 Garmin unit or w/e is good these days.

3. Winter- LSD+ good winter tires= BOSS. Seriously... but also respect the weather and if there is a fresh foot or two of snow, expect to get stuck. I never play with all- season tires.

4. Longevity- If you know how to do an oil change, then PP or Rotella is the usual stuff needed to be used to avoid heavy shearing from the richness of the MS3. To be safe, every 3000 miles. If you don't mod and take care of her, she will take care of you. If you mod, you always play with fire.

As for MS3 vs GTI... i will always take a mechanical LSD over some electronic one- wheeled glorified ABS "electronic limited slip diff." Thats just me though... but I am still a fan of the GTI. Very balanced car that has a bit of everything (including class).

Fuel economy wise, google mpgomatic.com's review of the 2011 Speed3... they got 34mpg on the highway with it.

[IRONBAR]

all three are great cars no doubt (personally iv'e owned modded mustangs and had a ford lightning) got tired of paying at the pump for guzzling V8s in order to achieve high hp.

that being said i also was in ur position and had to choose between the three
i know u would be satisfied with either vehicle but price for power the mazda wins plus ur looking at a whole market of upgrades avail. too , get the volkswagon if u are a regular driver,get the speed 3 if u love to take the turns hard and punch it
as far as the focus ST well thats a simple choice when u wake up in the morning do u want to see a big frown on ur car (ST) or do u want to see ur car smiling back at u saying drive me? (MS3)