Production Totals?
 

I've been poking around this site, and the internet in general, trying to find the production totals for the MS3. When I first got my GTO, I was able to find this site:

All GTO Specifications - UltimateGTO.com

It isn't the most tidy site you'll see today, but it has some good info. Even breaks down production totals by exterior color, interior color, and transmission (about the only options the 04-06 models had).

Is there any information like that for the MS3? Even if the info isn't that detailed, is there anything on production totals?

I don't think you'll find this info. I believe i read a while back speed3's are lumped into the normal mazda3 VIN sequence, meaning that its the same way we cant tell how many 3sport vs 3grand touring models are built. the "speed3" is just another trim level.

And even so, Mazda apparently doesn't divulge their production numbers too easily. At least they didn't for the Speed6. There was a couple guys many years ago on 6Club who tried to contact Mazda for some numbers, but had no luck.

In my mind, the closest thing you will get to, especially for trim and color specifics, is a user/owner database. Kinda like the one an enthusiast made for the Speed6.

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The real question is: why would you care? I own my car because it's fun to drive, not because it's rare or somehow special.

I see. Thanks for the info.

I found some similar inquiries from the MS6 guys and their searches seemed to end just as you described. I wonder why Mazda doesn't make the numbers available?

Ahhh....That is the real question? Thanks for enlightening us :rolleyes:

It isn't a matter of caring, it is a matter of being curious or interested. My GTO was 1 out of about 1,000 in its particular configuration. Sold for $30k when new. 8 years later? You could get one in really good shape for $10k. How "special" is that? Hell, it looked like a damn Cavalier.

Furthermore, if I was truly wanting a rare and special vehicle, I certainly wouldn't have bought a 2 year old Mazda hatchback that was worth $25k brand new. The car is entertaining, has a little utility, 4-doors to help with the upcoming kid, and gets appreciably better fuel mileage than the car it replaced. Seems like my purchase was justified long before production totals were mentioned.

I think your "holier than thou" post was a little misguided.

My MS3 is 4535 of 45677686858754. Stupid rare.

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Ha ha...rare indeed.

Even if no hard numbers, a breakdown, by percentage, of colors would be interesting.

Sounds like that info is inaccessible, though. I'll just keep tally with the pen and paper I keep in the car. :wink1:

this is the closest i have seen to #'s but they dont list the individual trim on this list...but im sure like what 1%-3% would be speed3's ?

http://www.mazdausamedia.com/2012-10...EPTEMBER-SALES

Interesting read. Thanks for the link.

When i had my S2k and was active in the s2k forums there was an entire section devoted to production #'s by year and individual color. Especially for the CR's. They had each number listed and whether or not they were on the forum and if the car had been totaled or not. I will say i do like having a more rare vehicle, however i dont feel like the s2k was any more rare than my MS3. I see just as few Speeds as i do s2k's.

The US has DMVs run at the individual state level.. so no collaboration.

But in England:

3 MPS....1871 on the road

6 MPS... 981 on the road.

There are more aston martins in th eUK that Mazda MPS cars.

New Zealand had 199 gen1 mps3's.

I emailed Mazda USA a while back asking about production numbers for the MS3 and there response summed up to "we don't know". The VINs for MS3s are non-specific (numbered alongside regular 3s) and they said they don't track colors. They also said that there was no specific year to year output pre-planned. So, it would seem that Mazda makes however many they want (or curtail to demand) and any search for specific numbers will result in nothing.

In today's computer age, Mazda has a record of every car and configuration that has left the factory and could get any info we need.
I'm going to say that Mazda doesn't care enough to dedicate resources to generating numbers like that. It's not worth it to them.

Good to know someone else has at least been curious about the info. That answer seems pretty lazy, though (Mazda's, not yours). If they are trying to track demand, it'd be an awfully good idea to know what has sold in the past. These aren't built to order. I can believe that the people that you or I would be able to converse with may not know, but I can't believe that Mazda doesn't know.

Quite feasible. I'd like to think that a simple file dump in an Excel file would be easy enough to sort through in a couple of hours, but I don't know how they have everything categorized. At any rate, they certainly are under no obligation to share the info, so I don't fault them for not doing so. Oh well, it was worth a shot.

I think this would be a safe bet, a number <1%. I live in St. Louis, we have a total of like 4 MS3's in-stock at dealers.

That link says 14,000 mazda's sold in sept. I'd imagine maybe a 100 were speed 3's.

In the UK we have this website to find out how many cars of any make are on the road.

How Many Left?

Thought you'd have something similar in the US.

Thanks man. Looks like year over year sales for the 3s have been stonking while every other model is suffering big time for Mazda.

Let's think about this: If Mazda sells about 100,000 3s a year (it seems about that much from looking at the data) then even if 5% of them were speed3s then that's only about 5,000 cars that year. And I bet that 5% is really lower, like 2 or 3%. So while I wouldn't consider Mazdaspeed3s rare, I'd say that there certainly aren't alot of them out there. If you add up all the years, what's that 7 years of production at say 2,500 speeds a year = 17,500 MS3s total. Not many at all. I'm sure way less than the Golf/Jetta GLI thing. It would be neat to see a breakdown by color, option(s), etc.

So yeah like about 2,000 were made in 2012 it says, that makes sense if we use the constant of "2% of all 3s are actual MS3s/MPS3s."

But aren't you measuring something different in your report (registrations just in the UK ?)

Yes, it is how many cars are registered each year so only shows how many are on the road in the UK. Not sure how it works in the US but we have to get a tax disk each year so it's fairly easy to keep track on how many car of a specific make/model are driving about.

I'm with you. It isn't "rare" in the sense that some little kid is going to drop his ice cream cone if he sees one drive by, but 17,500 isn't that many. Double even to 35,000 and that really isn't a very big number, either.

Breakdowns by:

Year
Color
Trim (or Tech/Non-Tech)

Would be interesting.

I can say that these guys who say that the VINs are lumped into the general Mazda3 pool appear to be correct. When I purchased my 2012 MS3, I called up the insurance company to get full coverage listed on the car and there is no specific Mazdaspeed3 as far as the listings are concerned. The VIN comes back as just a 2012 Mazda Mazda3.

Mine is the only black mica GT with scratches on the rear door; über rare.


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While I can believe that it all falls under the same model number, wouldn't it have to call out other aspects of the car?

The number indicates a variety of things and I would have guessed that engine type, at least, would be among them.

I'd be curious to see if insurance would quote the same price for the VIN off of a Mazda3 and a Mazdaspeed3.

I specifically asked them about it and they said that it is all lumped under Mazda3 as far as the insurance company is concerned and the Mazdaspeed is just a trim level to them, similar to the i-touring or i-sport. I thought the same thing and checked a few times with them but they said it all goes by the VIN and the VIN from Mazda says it is a 2012 Mazda 3.

I would assume that when they take actual value into account they go by the current moment in time and the exact trim model, accessories, and options... but as far as the coverage goes they lump it all together under the same policy and rate.

Let me guess: GEICO

Nope.

State Farm

Don't coupe and sedan versions of the same car often have different insurance rates? Might there be a different rate for a sedan and a hatch? I only ask to suggest that it is possible that not all Mazda 3s (Speed or not) are treated equally by the insurance company and that they base it off of the VIN.

Lucky! When i gave my insurance company my vin # for my ms6, i was hoping it would just come up as Mazda 6, hoping my insurance would drop since i owned an '09 6 before the speed. but lo and behold...the ms6 was separate and they knew it was a turbo "sports" car :fuckyou:

Interesting. I did several quotes with different companies (almost all of them) and when I entered my VIN, they all came back with MS3. I have USAA and when I gave them the VIN they quoted back to me "2012 Mazdaspeed3".

Based upon my experience I would say that your car registering as a MZ3 instead of an MS3 is an exception, not the rule.

I could be wrong, I often am.

that sounds low. they made 10k ms6s for the usdm market in only 2 years, and I'm sure they've put out more ms3s per year than they every did ms6s. In reality we're probably looking at 40k+ ms3s that have been produced over the lifespan in the US. as @Raider is proving day in and day out, lots of them have been totaled and will likely never see the road again. I see quite a few speeds driving around personally, and I'm sure that different cars sell very differently around the country.

I have state farm. They see my car as a Mazda3, speed3 trim. $450 for 6 months. Just turned 21, had the car for a year.

I check with Metlife as the company i work for was getting a "discount". Metlife wanted $1400 for 6 months. They classified the car as a Mazdaspeed3.

If i were you guys, I very strongly suggest you find an insurance company that see's the speed3 as a trim level.

I pay a little less than that for my car and we have Nationwide. It came down a little bit from where my GTO was. When I got my quote, I didn't have them specify how the car was classified (trim or actual model), but I'm a bit curious now. The quote came back quite reasonable I thought, so I didn't ask any further.

What you are saying makes a lot of sense, though. I have to believe that a VIN has enough info to differentiate a standard Mazda3 sedan, a hatch, and an MS3.

The engine code is in the VIN, and the MS3 engine has a different code than the regular 3; so yes, you can tell it's a speed just from the VIN.

I have Progressive, and my insurance card calls it a Mazdaspeed 3.