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smalltownbird 06-10-2014 04:01 AM

Question About Dealer
 
I bought my 12 speed new this past October. It is due for an inspection this month and since I get it free from the dealer I wanted to take it there. While I was there I wanted to get them to adjust some of the personalization options. I've never owned a new car so I've never had a dealer do any work on my cars. My question is, I have a few mods but the only two they would notice is the test pipe and SRI. Should I remove these before going? Or do you guys think it will be an issue? I have a guy a couple towns away that I usually use for inspections because he ignores exhaust modifications but I'm working everyday this month and can't get there. The dealer is within walking distance of my hob so I could just drop it off. Thanks for the help.

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predapio 06-10-2014 04:15 AM

If you have a warranty, leave the test pipe, take off the SRI.

untitledav 06-10-2014 07:23 AM

It really depends on the Dealer i take my car to the dealer and he does not care about my SRI+TIP. If the part you have on the car is not causing any issues they should ignore it.

Regards

smalltownbird 06-10-2014 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by predapio (Post 2612648)
If you have a warranty, leave the test pipe, take off the SRI.

I still have a warranty but wouldn't a missing cat be an issue? We don't have emissions testing here in VA but they are supposed to do a visual check. I guess it isn't too hard to put the cat back on and swap the air box around. I've never dealt with dealer's because they can be shady and I don't want to receive a letter in the mail that says because of modifications my warranty is void.

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predapio 06-10-2014 07:43 AM

Well then, you have your answer.

AJsMS3 06-10-2014 07:45 AM

If anything, they will get you for the test pipe and not the SRI since the test pipe is in place of a removed federal emissions device. But it all depends on what is involved in the inspection. If they don't have to put it up on the lift, your good, they won't even see that you have the test pipe. Dealers can be picky. They can decide to void warranty for both.

someguy 06-10-2014 07:49 AM

A dealer can't void a warranty for aftermarket parts. If you have issues however and they prove that the aftermarket part causes/caused the problem then they won't cover it. So say your MAF sensor stops working, if you have an SRI, it won't be covered.


See mods in sig...basically fully bolted and my dealer doesn't give me any hassle with warranty issues. I've gotten a new clutch pedal, new front strut, front sway bar bushings, all done under warranty without even fighting for it.

predapio 06-10-2014 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by someguy (Post 2612803)
A dealer can't void a warranty for aftermarket parts. If you have issues however and they prove that the aftermarket part causes/caused the problem then they won't cover it. So say your MAF sensor stops working, if you have an SRI, it won't be covered.


See mods in sig...basically fully bolted and my dealer doesn't give me any hassle with warranty issues. I've gotten a new clutch pedal, new front strut, front sway bar bushings, all done under warranty without even fighting for it.

Wrong on all levels. Just because YOU found a dealer and got lucky. It doesn't me any Joe Shmo can go into a dealership and get stuff done, not in the least bit.

You'd be surprised what dealers do. I hope you found your Huckleberry dealer and all is good fo you no matter what happens.

AJsMS3 06-10-2014 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by someguy (Post 2612803)
A dealer can't void a warranty for aftermarket parts. If you have issues however and they prove that the aftermarket part causes/caused the problem then they won't cover it. So say your MAF sensor stops working, if you have an SRI, it won't be covered.


See mods in sig...basically fully bolted and my dealer doesn't give me any hassle with warranty issues. I've gotten a new clutch pedal, new front strut, front sway bar bushings, all done under warranty without even fighting for it.

Until you take it in for a engine related issue, then their tune will change. Powertrain warranty and bumper to bumper warranties are different.

someguy 06-10-2014 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by predapio (Post 2612806)
Wrong on all levels. Just because YOU found a dealer and got lucky. It doesn't me any Joe Shmo can go into a dealership and get stuff done, not in the least bit.

You'd be surprised what dealers do. I hope you found your Huckleberry dealer and all is good fo you no matter what happens.

Uh no, legally a dealership cannot void your entire warranty for aftermarket parts. Of course if the aftermarket parts cause the issue, then of course they won't cover it...but it's not as though as soon as they see an intake they'll write in your file in big red letters WARRANTY VOID.


What Voids Your Vehicle's Warranty? -- Edmunds.com
Quote:

Aftermarket parts or modifications: This aspect of warranty coverage has a great deal of gray area. Although many dealers would have you think otherwise, simply having an aftermarket part or modifying your vehicle cannot void your warranty.

Some dealerships may say, for example, that just because you have a performance part such as a cold air intake on the car that the whole vehicle warranty is void, says Loren Wong, a car enthusiast and a former warranty administrator for BMW and Acura. "That's not true," he says.

The saving grace for consumers is the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. The act states that a dealer must prove that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before it can deny warranty coverage.

However, if the reason for a parts failure is unclear, a dealer will usually charge you to diagnose the vehicle. If the aftermarket part was not properly installed or a modification led to a component failure, it is within the dealer's right to void the warranty for that part, and you will have to pay for the repairs out of pocket. If the aftermarket parts had nothing to do with the repairs in question, you will be refunded the fee for the diagnosis.

Any aftermarket performance parts on your vehicle can cause a dealer to suspect that you either drive the car hard or possibly race it. "Although they may not void warranties," Wong added, "modifications may raise a red flag when vehicles are in for service. If consumers who mod their cars do a little research, they may find certain dealerships that are a little more 'mod-friendly.'"
Magnuson?Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

predapio 06-10-2014 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by someguy (Post 2612850)
Uh no, legally a dealership cannot void your entire warranty for aftermarket parts. Of course if the aftermarket parts cause the issue, then of course they won't cover it...but it's not as though as soon as they see an intake they'll write in your file in big red letters WARRANTY VOID.


What Voids Your Vehicle's Warranty? -- Edmunds.com


Magnuson?Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Really Magnuson Moss?

Are you for real?

Must be the air up there in canuckistan.

That piece of paper is as useless as tits on a bull.

The dealers can and will void you warranty on aftermarket parts, If they have a reason.

Plenty of guys on here who are living proof of that.

Even guys like you that came in waving the MM act.

Gtfo.

someguy 06-10-2014 09:01 AM

Sounds like someone is a bit bitter with their dealership for not covering something...the fact is a couple aftermarket parts such as the OP's intake/testpipe is not going to void his entire warranty.

swd120 06-10-2014 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by predapio (Post 2612865)
Really Magnuson Moss?

Are you for real?

Must be the air up there in canuckistan.

That piece of paper is as useless as tits on a bull.

The dealers can and will void you warranty on aftermarket parts, If they have a reason.

Plenty of guys on here who are living proof of that.

Even guys like you that came in waving the MM act.

Gtfo.

It sucks that to get your rights honored, you have to drag a business through court. I bet if those people sued the dealer over it - they'd settle / fix it before the first hearing.

predapio 06-10-2014 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by swd120 (Post 2612893)
It sucks that to get your rights honored, you have to drag a business through court. I bet if those people sued the dealer over it - they'd settle / fix it before the first hearing.

You'd be surprised.

Quote:

Originally Posted by someguy (Post 2612884)
Sounds like someone is a bit bitter with their dealership for not covering something...the fact is a couple aftermarket parts such as the OP's intake/testpipe is not going to void his entire warranty.

Bitter?. Not at all, just surprised that people still continue to talk about MMA.
Good luck to you, may you never get denied.

AJsMS3 06-10-2014 10:05 AM

So now that we have covered the finer points of warranty claims and issues, @smalltownbird; if you feel that you won't have any issues with taking it to the dealership, then do that, otherwise stick with the guy you know and not have any worries.

smalltownbird 06-10-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AJsMS3 (Post 2612971)
So now that we have covered the finer points of warranty claims and issues, @smalltownbird; if you feel that you won't have any issues with taking it to the dealership, then do that, otherwise stick with the guy you know and not have any worries.

I wish I could go with the guy I know but then I would be driving around with an expired inspection. I'll leave the SRI but swap the test pipe. they charge you if you fail...

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Yousuf 06-11-2014 12:24 AM

My dealer even attributed rear motor mount issues to the fucking after market intake, saying it could be the only thing causing the symptoms from what they could tell -_-, I said the hell with them and found a torn bushing in it, beats me how they "inspected it" without taking it off

Dealers are assholes, like certain cops.. You have rights but still..

LOL MS3 06-11-2014 06:21 AM

If you're worried about failing, just put the stock parts back on.....You obviously can, so just do that, instead of asking us if its ok...

Your warranty is similar to the law...its rules that can be interpreted differently by different people. One dealer may say its ok, and the other will say warranty is denied.

No dealership in the United States will cancel your warranty. Dealerships don't own the warranty. They will submit the warranty claims for certain issues, and the motor company will deny/reject the claim. Like if upgrade your HPFP and start using e85, and bring the car in for a fuel related issue and want it covered under warranty, they MAY deny the claim because a non-oem part is installed. If you put on a CBE and bring the car in for a front strut clicking, they wont deny the claim.

Danfriscia3 06-11-2014 12:27 PM

its really hit or miss with dealers. I have taken mine for the past year for oil changes and regular maintenance and not a word has been said. And surprisingly, I just took it to get inspected for the first time, and they passed it, emissions and safety, even with all the mods in my sig. And believe me I got the hell out of there as soon as I got all the paper work back.

smalltownbird 06-11-2014 02:20 PM

I'm going to leave the SRI but I did put the cat back on. Its simple enough I just left the plate off that covers it. I'll swap it back when I get off work tomorrow

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Danfriscia3 06-11-2014 06:07 PM

Let us know how it works out

smalltownbird 06-12-2014 10:12 AM

No issues. I removed the test pipe but left the SRI, SSP, AP map and OBD splitter and they passed it with no questions

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Coats 06-12-2014 10:19 AM

I went to the dealer waving the mma when they were dicking me around about my smokey k04.

In the end i read up inside msf and switched to Rotella :smokin: problem solved....for now.

Bottom line my dealer didnt care for over two years about my mods so they said. That was until it came time for them to possibly retrofit or replace the turbo. Then the games began.

Best mechanics are in your NATOR.

mrshoulders 06-14-2014 05:41 PM

why would you even risk it? really you dont have have an hour in your day to go to your buddy? Rather risk the dealer making notes that you have mods

smalltownbird 06-14-2014 06:03 PM

It's almost an hour away and it's one of those shops that open 9-5 Mon-fri. I work a 7-6 shift so I can never make it

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And the dealer was fine, they didn't pop the hood or put it in the air. Just checked the usual. They probably spent more time trying to figure out the personalization options than the inspection

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japscrapnut 06-15-2014 11:17 AM

I just had my 13 BM Speed serviced at stealership as soon as I stepped out of car the serv. manager and the ?master mech.? lol were telling me about another speed that was black and had a CS SRI (as do I), said customer was using rotella diesel oil and had a turbo failure, they said that when they submitted a warr. claim to mazda they said to check pcm, warr. denied because of overwrite to pcm (tune) mechanic said that they were pushing 20 psi boost, also told me about another speed that had wire harness damage from SRI inst. and asked me who inst. my SRI/TIP and of course I said I did and I made sure the clamps weren't rubbing on any harness area and they were quick to look at my installation that of course was a proper install.

Long story short they said pretty much all mods wouldent void warr. exept a COBB AP I kinda say BS until I have a failure, Im probably going to wait on AP V3 and further mods until warr. is up from mileage (I drive 140 miles a day so pretty soon) Im also on very very good terms with my stealership my 2nd car from them and wife/ mo in law/ sis in law have been with them for about 15 years we are all VIP customers actually got my speed OTD for 28 with a 2010 3 trade I owed way too much for and had 140,000 miles on clock.

Needless to say If I have a failure don't know how shady they will be Im in cols. GA.

Frenchy11 06-15-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by japscrapnut (Post 2618305)
I just had my 13 BM Speed serviced at stealership as soon as I stepped out of car the serv. manager and the ?master mech.? lol were telling me about another speed that was black and had a CS SRI (as do I), said customer was using rotella diesel oil and had a turbo failure, they said that when they submitted a warr. claim to mazda they said to check pcm, warr. denied because of overwrite to pcm (tune) mechanic said that they were pushing 20 psi boost, also told me about another speed that had wire harness damage from SRI inst. and asked me who inst. my SRI/TIP and of course I said I did and I made sure the clamps weren't rubbing on any harness area and they were quick to look at my installation that of course was a proper install.

Long story short they said pretty much all mods wouldent void warr. exept a COBB AP I kinda say BS until I have a failure, Im probably going to wait on AP V3 and further mods until warr. is up from mileage (I drive 140 miles a day so pretty soon) Im also on very very good terms with my stealership my 2nd car from them and wife/ mo in law/ sis in law have been with them for about 15 years we are all VIP customers actually got my speed OTD for 28 with a 2010 3 trade I owed way too much for and had 140,000 miles on clock.

Needless to say If I have a failure don't know how shady they will be Im in cols. GA.


Holy story batman. Take a deep breath.


Murica'

japscrapnut 06-15-2014 11:42 AM

Yea Yea run on sentence :haha:

Dizzy Turbo 06-15-2014 11:56 AM

28k? That's almost a Fucking new 5.0.

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japscrapnut 06-15-2014 12:34 PM

meh to each his own will never want nor own a rust stain . If I had da cash Id have a slow marrow. hence I have da POO.

Dizzy Turbo 06-15-2014 01:07 PM

I was just stating cause its crazy the price rise from whenbi bought my 2010 new for 20k

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steevieg 06-15-2014 01:22 PM

20k? jesus.. I got my 13 for 22k, came to ~25k after tax, license, and fees.

although I am in California so yea.

japscrapnut 06-15-2014 01:38 PM

Well I Still owed more on trade in and this was with 0 down what really sux is a year and a half ago I could have gotten a speed for the price of my 2010 3 around 20k.
In the end even though Ive paid too much I have the car I wanted since 2010 when I "settled" for the base 3. And Its the last year of the Gen Pu.

How long are we going to wait for another speed model ?

MazdaspeedKills 06-15-2014 01:47 PM

Dude, if you're worried about voiding the warranty, just take the car to an independent shop to get your inspection sticker. It's worth paying for that than losing the warranty.

mazdaspeed333 06-30-2014 09:41 AM

LOL this thead. im guna be in the same boat having a long ass extended warrenty modding my car


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