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blake0521 06-23-2014 11:04 AM

Scary/good find
 
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So I bought a 2010 used mazda speed3 and keep finding parts the dealer did not notice. So far I know the car has a cobb tip and sir. This morning i had the car on a lift and discovered it has a cobb dp as well or maybe a knock off. Wanted to know what you guys thought about it. I looked at all of the installed pictures on this web site and it looks the same but with one minor change. The o2 sensor has a weird dish like piece of metal around it. Can anyone help me figure out what it is?

I am going to try and get the contact info for the guy that sold the car to the dealership so I can get the complete mod list from him. If he did not do autotech internals yet should I get those first and install them or just drive the car easy and get an access port first?

Good news is I dont have to buy a dp now, bad news is I do not know what other parts are on the car....fml.

Yatta 06-23-2014 11:14 AM

its a heat shield, its a good thing; if you are planning on mods, please get internals first (SRI first is ok, but you already have a DP, is it catted?) find out about internals, they are pretty easy to remove, DP not so much, possible that someone didn't want to go through the pain of removing the DP, or they got you on a good start).

Quigs 06-23-2014 11:15 AM

Yes, that is a Cobb downpipe, though it looks like it's been painted/coated. And the stock primary O2 sensor usually has that plate around it like that, so that looks normal.

ABOSWORTH 06-23-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by blake0521 (Post 2626433)
So I bought a 2010 used mazda speed3 and keep finding parts the dealer did not notice. So far I know the car has a cobb tip and sir. This morning i had the car on a lift and discovered it has a cobb dp as well or maybe a knock off. Wanted to know what you guys thought about it. I looked at all of the installed pictures on this web site and it looks the same but with one minor change. The o2 sensor has a weird dish like piece of metal around it. Can anyone help me figure out what it is?

I am going to try and get the contact info for the guy that sold the car to the dealership so I can get the complete mod list from him. If he did not do autotech internals yet should I get those first and install them or just drive the car easy and get an access port first?

Good news is I dont have to buy a dp now, bad news is I do not know what other parts are on the car....fml.

I really hope the previous owner wasn't stupid enough to put a SRI/TIP and a DP on the car with no internals. You need to find out ASAP. If you can't get his contact info, pull the pump and inspect it. Take pictures and post them on here if you don't know what you're looking for and we can tell you.

From what I understand, you can pop your motor even going partial throttle without internals so simply babying it might not be good enough. If you have a little bit of wrenching skill and some tools, you can pull the pump and inspect it pretty quickly. It's really not a hard job and there are plenty of videos on youtube and threads here that explain the procedure in great detail.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

Yatta 06-23-2014 11:17 AM

heh, you might actually be safer at WOT without internals, a lot of ZZB's occur at partial throttle. but I wouldn't test that theory.

Dizzy Turbo 06-23-2014 11:18 AM

Don't get heavy into boost or wot and you'll be ok with the fp
until you get Shit sorted.

Yatta 06-23-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ABOSWORTH (Post 2626455)
I really hope the previous owner wasn't stupid enough to put a SRI/TIP and a DP on the car with no internals. You need to find out ASAP. If you can't get his contact info, pull the pump and inspect it. Take pictures and post them on here if you don't know what you're looking for and we can tell you.

From what I understand, you can pop your motor even going partial throttle without internals so simply babying it might not be good enough. If you have a little bit of wrenching skill and some tools, you can pull the pump and inspect it pretty quickly. It's really not a hard job and there are plenty of videos on youtube and threads here that explain the procedure in great detail.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

http://cdn3.volusion.com/sweft.sttav...jpg?1369670360


looks like a cobb. not a cheap part at least.

scubasteve711 06-23-2014 11:20 AM

Definitely necessitates going on a fact finding mission with the internals... Be glad that DP is in there though - not that fun of a job to do and you have a good DP!

Dizzy Turbo 06-23-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yatta (Post 2626463)
heh, you might actually be safer at WOT without internals, a lot of ZZB's occur at partial throttle. but I wouldn't test that theory.

Internals are an issue when it can't supply enough fuel, which is not an issue put of boost or low throttle. The part throttle zzb, are rpm and timing related not hpfp

blake0521 06-23-2014 11:23 AM

Fuck! Ok thanks guys. I will try and get that done tonight!

Ok so I will not go into boost until I find out. Should getting an access port on there and checking the fuel pressure be good enough to figure it out or do I really need to open her up? I only have experience with installing intakes and exhaust so I am not all that good at wrenching.

Dizzy Turbo 06-23-2014 11:25 AM

It's a pretty simply install/uninstall. Ap probably won't tell much unless you do a wot log and fp dips, but that's very risky. Theres a great how to on here and maybe you can ask your local NATOR

Yatta 06-23-2014 11:25 AM

and I see it has a cat (grainy photo but its there) if you are handy with tools opening the HPFP and checking the internals isn't difficult and there are plenty of photos on forum that show the differences. look at the fuel line on the bottom of the hpfp, if there is a cable tie (to stop that stupid clip) you at least know someone had improved internals in place once (might have parted them out).

blake0521 06-23-2014 12:19 PM

Ok guys GREAT new! So the guy did leave the auto tech internals in the pump! Thank you sweet baby Jesus! Now onto the next issiue. Am I in dire need of a ap now since he said he un flashed the ecu? Thanks for the help guys! They are worth every penny!

KyleMS32010 06-23-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by blake0521 (Post 2626605)
Ok guys GREAT new! So the guy did leave the auto tech internals in the pump! Thank you sweet baby Jesus! Now onto the next issiue. Am I in dire need of a ap now since he said he un flashed the ecu? Thanks for the help guys! They are worth every penny!

Get one ASAP, your stock tune was not designed for those mods. Also get an E-tune, worth every penny!

blake0521 06-23-2014 01:19 PM

That's what I thought. Just ordered a v3. I am going to wait on the etune until I get my build finished.

Yatta 06-23-2014 01:21 PM

did he tell you what else was left on? you might have gotten a great head start.

blake0521 06-23-2014 01:23 PM

Everything in my signature minus the ap and bpv.

Vader 06-23-2014 01:36 PM

Did you do a compression check? There is usually a reason, one would unload a fully bolted car.

Yatta 06-23-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vader (Post 2626743)
Did you do a compression check? There is usually a reason, one would unload a fully bolted car.

Was thinking this as well, OP, did the original owner tell you if they were on MSF ? might be some good historical for you to read if they were.

++ for the compression check. number 3 seems pesky on these.

blake0521 06-23-2014 01:44 PM

He sold
It to the dealership I work at. Everything looked good from the mech that worked on it. He sold it to buy and suv because he is starting a fam. He was going to unbolt
It but never got to it.

Jtaylor 06-23-2014 02:14 PM

Be glad you didn't to tackle that bitch of an install

blake0521 06-23-2014 02:19 PM

So should I get it compression tested even if it is running fine and my shop said it was in good shape? It goes off warranty in a few thousand miles so
I think that's the main reason he sold.

Frenchy11 06-23-2014 02:21 PM

We just had a local guy ditch a nearly fully bolted speed for a 370Z. Didn't take anything off. Sometimes people just do it. Get the compression test done though make sure it's good to go.


Murica'

manila 06-23-2014 02:35 PM

Just pull the pump to see.
It doesn't take long at all

Johnasaurus 06-23-2014 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blake0521 (Post 2626812)
So should I get it compression tested even if it is running fine and my shop said it was in good shape? It goes off warranty in a few thousand miles so
I think that's the main reason he sold.

Yes, get the compression test done.


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