Scion FRS vs WRX vs MS3

[CaptObvious75]

My stockers are starting to crack between the threads! The fuck...

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[Easter Bunny]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 All season tires are just that. The worst possible option in all seasons.

Jack of all trades, master of none, not that i care, they are fine for what i need from the car 99% of the time, and if i want to go fast i have a bike.

[breakfstincluded]

i no has money to go through lots of tires frequently

it rains a lot here

what rubber i has get

[Tokay444]

Michelin super sports.

[smurugby12]

Someone should post this on ft86club.com's forum

[BLK_MS3]

Originally Posted by SpdDemon89 4 doors....thank you awd......thank you sedan or hatch.....thank you straight line drag or track day you'll be a force to reckon......thank you

Depends on what you like, to me:

2 doors over 4 doors, just looks way better.
RWD over AWD if you can drive.
Coupe over hatch or sedan, again looks better.
Most average drivers will be quicker on a track in the FR-S/BR-Z as they seem to be very forgiving and easy to control.

[breakfstincluded]

I think there's a very fun factor in beating someone in a front wheel drive car.

Just my opinion but if you're the one driving out of your friends often, more than one guy getting out of a 2 door anything looks just slightly homo. Maybe a Father and younger son I can take.

But win if you just spend all week wine and dining with gf.

I think the CTS-V Wagon is the one I'd go for before the coupe and sedan.



I also like how the E36 M3 looks best in the rarer 4 door model.

Disregarding price, I think the GT86 looks pretty fun, for a noob like me, all NA 200hp would be plenty and probably give me more confidence on the track.

[ztnedman1]

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny Ditching the dunlops and going to continental dws all seasons was an upgrade on my pu.

Upgrade?! LOL I have some you can buy...

Worst tire ever. If the MS3 cam ewith gummy bear tires like that I would have never bought it. Do your self a favor and pass.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 You're* Smartass=natural predator of dumbass. It's a coupé. Not a roadster. Awd no thank you. Since when does the wrx have a strong tranny? What record does wrx/sti have in stock form? I already stated if they had put the tires on the other two cars, the speed would have come out on top, as it did when they were on stock tires with the frs.

The WRXs transmission since 2009 uses thicker legacy GT gears. While not "strong" it will hold 380- 400wtq as a daily driver. Hardly the old glass transmission.

Originally Posted by Tokay444 V12's aren't even on par with the potenzas that came on the Genwon.

Bullshit. I went from the crap potenzas to the V12. Better turn in and lateral grip. Straightline grip was the same though.

Originally Posted by Easter Bunny I kind of agree with that statement, while the sidewall is pretty soft and the feel is nowhere near the same, I feel that I the compound is better, even in the high heat we have had recently to the point where I can corner faster.

I tracked my car with DWS's a few weeks back. Sidewall flex is bad and when they get heated they start to get greasy. Good all arounder for daily driving but I know I am giving up cornering performance for all weather capabilities.

[spokelse]

I just got an MS3, with the crap Dunlop sport tires, took it out for autocrossing and a track day already, (I'm one of those guys), jesus, its a great track car, autocross, not so much, the turbo bogs down unless you left foot break, which I hate doing, anyway, this car has amazing performance capabilities that have nothing to do with drag racing, putting a huge big turbo on it, etc, , for the money, there really isn't anything like this, yes you can get a dialed in rear wheel or all wheel drive, but really for far more money. The actual price you'll pay is far less than invoice, I got mine for 21.5, what else is even close to this?

[Tokay444]

Nothing.

[dbrier]

I agree about the performance for value.
The new Mustang GT and MS3 are the two best performance cars for the dollar on the market right now.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by spokelse I just got an MS3, with the crap Dunlop sport tires, took it out for autocrossing and a track day already, (I'm one of those guys), jesus, its a great track car, autocross, not so much, the turbo bogs down unless you left foot break, which I hate doing, anyway, this car has amazing performance capabilities that have nothing to do with drag racing, putting a huge big turbo on it, etc, , for the money, there really isn't anything like this, yes you can get a dialed in rear wheel or all wheel drive, but really for far more money. The actual price you'll pay is far less than invoice, I got mine for 21.5, what else is even close to this?

The Cobalt SS/TC was and the new Focus ST will be a direct competitor. I agree with you that the cars fantastic capabilities really shine in the corners. 21.5k for a brand new MS3 is a borderline robbery. lol

[slow k24]

ive roll raced a few WRXs and beat them in my stock car vs there modded cars for the guy saying how great the WRX is in drag racing.

[Design]

I think there's another pretty compelling element in this test. On the FRS, diameter/weight aside, there was NO increase in cornering speed with a 20mm wider tire of the same compound. I've talked to many racers who swear by aspect-ratio-to-wheel-width over fitting the widest tire possible under the wells. And I think this community could benefit from that approach as well.

After driving several variants, I'm convinced that 225/40/18 on an 8-8.5" wheel is a match made in heaven for our cars.

[Tokay444]

But 235/40/18 is the closest thing to stock rollout diametre.

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by slow k24 ive roll raced a few WRXs and beat them in my stock car vs there modded cars for the guy saying how great the WRX is in drag racing.

Jesus fucking Christ. It never ends. You talk about drag racing and use an example of a highway roll race to prove your point. Don't you see how stupid that is?

[x09MS3GT]

Originally Posted by another 6cms6 Sorry to inform you that the frs/brz isnt built for ultimate grip out of the box. You dont need grip to have fun and I think that is the premise of the car. The rear stock ms3 suspension is not something I would wabt to be comparing anything to either.

Here, compare it to this

Is that a good rear suspension ? Tee Hee

[breakfstincluded]

yeeeyyyaa netflix movie about wrx drag racing (:

Honestly, I didn't hate it.

Apparently we can do 10's in a subaru with a single parts trip to pep boys.

[breakfstincluded]

2013 Scion FR-S vs 2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T R-Spec : Car Reviews

I'd take the FRS vs the new 274hp gencoupe, despite price/power ratio.

I'd be very motivated to get on the track often.

[Easter Bunny]

Meh I'd take a used rx8 over both of them

[Tokay444]

I'd wait for something good to come out.

[spokelse]

I agree with the aspect ratio approach and think Mazda should be given credit here, they really made the new MS3 very much a driver's car, aggressive toe and camber, a more dialed in suspension compared to the previous generation, mostly in regard to compliance, and I guess they can be forgiven putting the dunlops on, they are serviceable for what I do, and after I shred them, I'm probably going with the Bridgestone's. Does anyone have other suggestions. I use the star specs on my neon acr and have had good autox results on it, but its a much lighter and lower powered car. And in terms of the FRS, etc, they are apparently quite well sorted for handling, probably an ultimate stock momentum car. I do know that the toyota/subaru differences are more about different flavors, etc, if you want to do A, then pick the Toyota/Scion, if you want to do more B then pick Subaru, etc

[Tokay444]

Apparently if you want more hp, pick the baru.
If you live in japan, pick the yot.
If you have a vagina, pick the scion.

[breakfstincluded]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Apparently if you want more hp, pick the baru. If you live in japan, pick the yot. If you have a vagina, pick the scion.

LOL

I bet there's a few owners cringing with their new vagina that are paying for express shipping for Toyota badges.

[671 grains of reason]

so from what i gather from this thread, nearly everyone only cares about drag racing. lulz.

damn fast and the furious generation.

[Tokay444]

Nope. I'm a circuit racer. And my car is still faster then the rwd scion.

[Nliiitend1]

I think a lot of people are really "missing the point" of the new FR-S/FT86/BRZ.

It's not always about lap times and "the numbers."

It's about bringing a wonderfully balanced, low COG, RWD car to the masses. One that, while not the fastest thing around a racetrack, just might be one of the most fun to drive in such a manner, and isn't so high strung that most novices can't really extract most of what it has to offer without a ridiculous amount of seat time.

It's like the SV650 of cars.

[Fatguy729]

Originally Posted by Nliiitend1 I think a lot of people are really "missing the point" of the new FR-S/FT86/BRZ. It's not always about lap times and "the numbers." It's about bringing a wonderfully balanced, low COG, RWD car to the masses. One that, while not the fastest thing around a racetrack, just might be one of the most fun to drive in such a manner, and isn't so high strung that most novices can't really extract most of what it has to offer without a ridiculous amount of seat time. It's like the SV650 of cars.

I hate to say it, but that kinda sounds like a miata!

[slow k24]

Originally Posted by dsmluck Jesus fucking Christ. It never ends. You talk about drag racing and use an example of a highway roll race to prove your point. Don't you see how stupid that is?

we dont have any tracks near where i live and we did some dig runs too so we just race where we can

Originally Posted by breakfstincluded yeeeyyyaa netflix movie about wrx drag racing (: Honestly, I didn't hate it. Apparently we can do 10's in a subaru with a single parts trip to pep boys.

as long as you no lift shift

[NoTraction]

I have driven all 3
If they ever came out with a turbo brz/frs sti variant etc. I'd choose that over the speed3.. But since its slow as balls the way it is now.. MS3 FTMFW!!!!! the wrx can eat 5 dicks

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by NoTraction I have driven all 3 If they ever came out with a turbo brz/frs sti variant etc. I'd choose that over the speed3.. But since its slow as balls the way it is now.. MS3 FTMFW!!!!! the wrx can eat 5 dicks

Says the guy with more cosmetic mods than power mods. Who are you kidding you would feel right at home in an old riced out bug eye WRX.

[NoTraction]

Originally Posted by dsmluck Says the guy with more cosmetic mods than power mods. Who are you kidding you would feel right at home in an old riced out bug eye WRX.

I Don't have any cosmetic mods... Avatar's of my last speed3 that was fully bolted.. My current one is bone stock execpet for HID's cosmetically.. Nice try troll!

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by NoTraction I Don't have any cosmetic mods... Avatar's of my last speed3 that was fully bolted.. My current one is bone stock execpet for HID's cosmetically.. Nice try troll!

Cpe 75 Duro RMM, TIP, Gutted RP, 3000k HID headlights, Corksport SRI, Denso ITV22's Sitting in Garage: 8k lows, 3k fogs, CS LED kit, My interior(stripped) WANTED SOON: Raceland Coilz(worth it?)Bc coilz, JBR SSP, foglight tint, AP, Tial QR, TMIC w/tubes, AT HPFP, CS DP, DO METH stg1, 20% Tint, Black roof wrap and Side Engine Mounts

Cosmetic...

[NoTraction]

Originally Posted by dsmluck Cosmetic...

Parts off the last speed3 are in my garage. Like I said 3k lows are my only cosmetic mod.
Next mods in this order are HPFP, AP and coilz.. How do you like that Wrx btw.. I like the car but just not as much as my GenWon

[dsmluck]

Originally Posted by NoTraction Parts off the last speed3 are in my garage. Like I said 3k lows are my only cosmetic mod. Next mods in this order are HPFP, AP and coilz.. How do you like that Wrx btw.. I like the car but just not as much as my GenWon

It boils down to this. The WRX is much cheaper to get power out of than the MS3. At about 350-380who you reach the "safe" limit of the engine and transmission on the car. The MS3 can go beyond that. With Front and Rear sways the WRX feels about the same as my old MS3. WRX is easier to corner for a noob like me because of AWD. Interior goes to the MS3. Launching obviously goes to the WRX. Both cars are great. Basically I chose the WRX because its bang for buck cannot be touched by the MS3 up to a point and I like AWD, always have.

As for reliability at sane power levels I would say its a toss up. Both cars have known weak spots but the reliability seems decent. I had issues with my k04 on the MS3 at 15k miles. The WRX has yet to have an issue.

[Mchart]

Fuck ya'll.

Ford Transit is more fastest and most furiously.

[NoTraction]

Originally Posted by dsmluck It boils down to this. The WRX is much cheaper to get power out of than the MS3. At about 350-380who you reach the "safe" limit of the engine and transmission on the car. The MS3 can go beyond that. With Front and Rear sways the WRX feels about the same as my old MS3. WRX is easier to corner for a noob like me because of AWD. Interior goes to the MS3. Launching obviously goes to the WRX. Both cars are great. Basically I chose the WRX because its bang for buck cannot be touched by the MS3 up to a point and I like AWD, always have. As for reliability at sane power levels I would say its a toss up. Both cars have known weak spots but the reliability seems decent. I had issues with my k04 on the MS3 at 15k miles. The WRX has yet to have an issue.

Maybe I need to drive one with suspension mods. I always wanted one growing up. And fwd does get annoying at stoplights with the v8's in Michigan

[bigx5murf]

Originally Posted by breakfstincluded yeeeyyyaa netflix movie about wrx drag racing (: Honestly, I didn't hate it. Apparently we can do 10's in a subaru with a single parts trip to pep boys.

you didn't actually watch that movie did you? If you did, you'd known in a junk yard, there exists parts to turn a bugeyed wrx into a 06 sti. Also, to be fair, that finished sti was used on a street circuit race, very obviously fast forwarded while running against a skyline.

[breakfstincluded]

I must have bad memory, I don't remember a bugeye wrx, a street circuit race, junkyard or a skyline in that movie? Am I misunderstanding your question?

I remember his dad selling a buick GNX to fund the parts for his car, of which he got "hooked up" with by an old friend at pep boys.