Sooooo....gonna have some money to mod soon

[anavrinIV]

30 pages of EFR info

I'm interested too...gonna have to read through that whole thing soon.

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by Mase Hmmm tell me more about this EFR setup....

Enjoy! They'll be on the market very soon!

Full Race EFR Kit Coming Soon

Mazdaspeed Prostock Turbo Manifold ( 2.3 DISI MZR ) - Full-Race.com

[Mase]

Wow...looks to be a nice kit...Will have to watch this closely

[hsraffety]

I have a buddy who works at Full Race. They started out in Mesa, AZ where I'm from. He's a welder.

[richkidone]

Originally Posted by hsraffety I have a buddy who works at Full Race. They started out in Mesa, AZ where I'm from. He's a welder.

Cool story bro^^^

Im on same boat as @Mase with the money but cant spend it all
so im getting my ap & internals for fuel pump rite im confused mods in sig

i was looking at a order of mod list earlier and i cant find it now any help.

thanks in advance

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by richkidone Cool story bro^^^ Im on same boat as @Mase with the money but cant spend it all so im getting my ap & internals for fuel pump rite im confused mods in sig i was looking at a order of mod list earlier and i cant find it now any help. thanks in advance

I think the general forum consensus is:

RMM
internals
intake
AP (edit: custom tune)...
TP
TIP/TIH

IMO, the ms3 really benefits from a shift plate as well.

Cobb's recommended upgrade path here:

http://accessecu.com/support/docs/su...%20Support.pdf

[anavrinIV]

Originally Posted by richkidone Cool story bro^^^ Im on same boat as @Mase with the money but cant spend it all so im getting my ap & internals for fuel pump rite im confused mods in sig i was looking at a order of mod list earlier and i cant find it now any help. thanks in advance

just look around...those lists are everywhere. find a post by @Raider and check the links in his sig, they're full of useful information. You already wasted money on a bov that would have been much better spent toward fp internals...search around so that doesn't happen again.

[Lex]

Mod list engine wise should be:

Rear motor mount
Intake
Fuel Pump
1 step colder plugs
AP + Custom Tune
Race Pipe
Intercooler
Big Turbo
Re-tune
Downpipe
Bigger Intake
Re-tune
Manifold
Re-tune
... by this time you know what you're doing ... and the suspension should be setup as well.

[richkidone]

Originally Posted by anavrinIV just look around...those lists are everywhere. find a post by @Raider and check the links in his sig, they're full of useful information. You already wasted money on a bov that would have been much better spent toward fp internals...search around so that doesn't happen again.

LOL bov was only 80 bucks and i have a little ricer in me thats why i got it. thanks for help...

[richkidone]

Originally Posted by Lex Mod list engine wise should be: Rear motor mount Intake Fuel Pump AP + Custom Tune Race Pipe Intercooler Big Turbo Re-tune

thank you thats what i was looking for... i just couldnt find that thread again theres alot if good stuff on here.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by richkidone LOL bov was only 80 bucks and i have a little ricer in me thats why i got it. thanks for help...

Some stockers do leak...

I have some ricer in me as well.

[h.h.sk1nny]

Full Race kit is hands down the best kit for our platform. Very top notch. You can get it with Borg Warners new EFR turbo. It'll be a complete bolt on kit. I'd pick that up and get a nice tune. Then your done. The kits aren't quite available yet.

[Raider]

Someone want my sig links?

[richkidone]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 Some stockers do leak... I have some ricer in me as well.

LOL^

my stock was fine just couldnt pass up a deal.

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by Lex Mod list engine wise should be: Rear motor mount Intake * (and Turbo Inlet Pipe / Hose) Fuel Pump AP + Custom Tune Race Pipe Intercooler Big Turbo Re-tune

^^ what he said. this is the "best bang for the buck" upgrade path.

But I prefer the slight shifting clunkiness to all the vibration (have driven both, and have owned a car in the past with solid mounts) so I would move RMM down in the list. But Lex is spot on for the other stuff. For Intake I would also do the Turbo Inlet Pipe at that time too.

[Lex]

I will add to this:

Rear motor mount
Intake
Fuel Pump
1 step colder plugs
AP + Custom Tune
Race Pipe
Intercooler
Big Turbo
Re-tune
Downpipe
Bigger Intake
Re-tune
Manifold
Re-tune
... by this time you know what you're doing ... and the suspension should be setup as well.

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort ^^ what he said. this is the "best bang for the buck" upgrade path. But I prefer the slight shifting clunkiness to all the vibration (have driven both, and have owned a car in the past with solid mounts) so I would move RMM down in the list. But Lex is spot on for the other stuff. For Intake I would also do the Turbo Inlet Pipe at that time too.

I found a good compromise. The CS rear motor mount inserts don't add much vibration if at all (and I am picky) and they stopped the IC from hitting the fire wall.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by h.h.sk1nny Full Race kit is hands down the best kit for our platform. Very top notch. You can get it with Borg Warners new EFR turbo. It'll be a complete bolt on kit. I'd pick that up and get a nice tune. Then your done. The kits aren't quite available yet.

I like the idea of a harmonious kit as well, but the completion time of this kit kinda sucks for us that are already fully bolted.

[richkidone]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort ^^ what he said. this is the "best bang for the buck" upgrade path. But I prefer the slight shifting clunkiness to all the vibration (have driven both, and have owned a car in the past with solid mounts) so I would move RMM down in the list. But Lex is spot on for the other stuff. For Intake I would also do the Turbo Inlet Pipe at that time too.

I have the inserts for rmm they are ok waiting for sure rmm to come im going to copy the list thanks guys and im getting inlet too

adding to my list
ap
fp internals
inlets all at same time

[fortressofcomfort]

Originally Posted by Lex I found a good compromise. The CS rear motor mount inserts don't add much vibration if at all (and I am picky) and they stopped the IC from hitting the fire wall.

Thanks Lex, I will have to check that out.

I would think that, using your list, somewhere around racepipe is when you would hit that magic 300whp mark would you agree?

[Lex]

Originally Posted by fortressofcomfort Thanks Lex, I will have to check that out. I would think that, using your list, somewhere around racepipe is when you would hit that magic 300whp mark would you agree?

Correct - with a good tune you're around that mark and 330-350 ft lbs at the wheels.

The IC is there for consistency on hot days. If you add no more hardware and run 2 gallons of E85 per tank and tune for it you're around 330-340whp with close to 400 ft lbs at the wheels.

[TriO]

I would think 300 from just racepipe and intake plus tune would be a bit of a stretch

[Lex]

Originally Posted by TriO I would think 300 from just racepipe and intake plus tune would be a bit of a stretch

And a fuel pump. Want to take me up on this?

Edit:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...341wtq-102374/

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by TriO I would think 300 from just racepipe and intake plus tune would be a bit of a stretch

@ the time, I was tuning Kritz's car on pure 93 pump gas and he only had an intake, internals and race pipe:

(he since started e85 tuning with Phate, but linked to are his pump #'s ... 335 wtq/285hp)

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...ml#post1104499

Edit: green line = ots, and blue and red are post tune, same modifications.

[TriO]

Now 298 I can believe... But never 300.

Just kidding man.

I'm not arguing or doubting anyway. I just always thought u needed to be more bolted to see 300 at the wheels.

[richkidone]

This is good info thanks again guys

[bigriver]

Originally Posted by Lex Mod list engine wise should be: Rear motor mount [done] Intake [done] Fuel Pump [done] 1 step colder plugs [added to list] AP + Custom Tune [etune in progress] Race Pipe [done] Intercooler [done] Big Turbo [added to list] Re-tune [added to list] Downpipe Bigger Intake Re-tune Manifold Re-tune ... by this time you know what you're doing ... and the suspension should be setup as well.

I nominate @Lex and @rfinkle2 for knighthood

I like that DP is after re-tune on BT. I've been thinking about BT with stock DP because of California emissions (visual inspection). I know it bolts up, but was concerned about flow.

Wow, ok this is my new shopping list.

[rfinkle2]

Originally Posted by bigriver I nominate @Lex and @rfinkle2 for knighthood I like that DP is after re-tune on BT. I've been thinking about BT with stock DP because of California emissions (visual inspection). I know it bolts up, but was concerned about flow. Wow, ok this is my new shopping list.

Lex is light years ahead of me in terms of automotive knowledge.

He has experience tuning standalone ecus, manufacturing his own electronics for different platforms etc.

Check out Lex's site (he is a bit modest):

Stratified Automotive Controls

[bigriver]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 Lex is light years ahead of me in terms of automotive knowledge. He has experience tuning standalone ecus, manufacturing his own electronics for different platforms etc. Check out Lex's site (he is a bit modest): Stratified Automotive Controls

Amazing!

@Raider this thread is GOLD.

[TriO]

And he is representing Canada woop woop

[Lex]

There are many factors to consider here but the rule of thumb is that it takes just a few flow modifications to start really being choked off flow wise by the stock turbo. Once this limit is reached you can only gain power through timing and the two big things there are fuel quality/E85 and charge air cooling.

Once a bigger turbo is in play, then it makes more $$ sense to open up the airways and exhaust.

[bigriver]

Originally Posted by Lex There are many factors to consider here but the rule of thumb is that it takes just a few flow modifications to start really being choked off flow wise by the stock turbo. Once this limit is reached you can only gain power through timing and the two big things there are fuel quality/E85 and charge air cooling. Once a bigger turbo is in play, then it makes more $$ sense to open up the airways and exhaust.

Thanks Lex!

I feel like "Grasshopper" at 0:38

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[Mase]

Sigh...I keep going this way and that on what I should do. But viewing Lex's recommended list makes me think I should head into BT now...TIP, race pipe, intercooler, and Big Turbo seems attainable for less than $5k leaving spare for my tune?

Just not sure if I wanna go down the BT path just yet. I mean if 300+ whp is attainable without a BT then I might want to sideline that for a bit. But I want her to sound nice too (dp,cbe?).

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Mase Sigh...I keep going this way and that on what I should do. But viewing Lex's recommended list makes me think I should head into BT now...TIP, race pipe, intercooler, and Big Turbo seems attainable for less than $5k leaving spare for my tune? Just not sure if I wanna go down the BT path just yet. I mean if 300+ whp is attainable without a BT then I might want to sideline that for a bit. But I want her to sound nice too (dp,cbe?).

300whp is definitely attainable without BT and the sounds depends on what you like. A BT won't really affect the sound

[Mase]

Originally Posted by Lex 300whp is definitely attainable without BT and the sounds depends on what you like. A BT won't really affect the sound

Heh kk. To get a decently powerful exhaust note I need cbe right? If I do racepipe and cbe should I just go ahead and do dp too? If I have ANY thoughts of going BT in the future should I just go ahead with fmic vs. top? Thanks for all this great advice. Once I settle on parts and installed I will be making an appt.

[TriO]

Dp and tp will make the stock cbe sound pretty decent. And free up some good power. I'd do that first and see if you're happy before you drop the Monty on a CBE.

As for top verses front mount I think generally front mount is preferred for BT. although I believe there are a few people running with uprated top mount too... Have a search you should will find more details

[Lex]

The DP and racepipe themselves make the exhaust quite a bit louder - you feel it a lot more in the floor of the car. Is there anyone local to you that can give you a ride in a car with these mods or a CBE? - hard to describe this over the web.

The FMIC is definitely a good idea even with the K04. If you're planning on going BT, I would more strongly consider the DP versus just a racepipe.

[Mase]

Originally Posted by Lex The DP and racepipe themselves make the exhaust quite a bit louder - you feel it a lot more in the floor of the car. Is there anyone local to you that can give you a ride in a car with these mods or a CBE? - hard to describe this over the web. The FMIC is definitely a good idea even with the K04. If you're planning on going BT, I would more strongly consider the DP versus just a racepipe.

Aye. There are several MS3ers in the area. I just have to stop being such an introvert and get out and meet up with these guys

I really really love the cpe fmic so I will most likely land on it.

[anavrinIV]

Lex, I'm going to thank you for saving me the money on a downpipe. I ordered a racepipe from a guy on here and I'm soon getting a new TMIC too, then the necessary additions to run stage 2. I almost went full DP anyway but I can't afford the money and down time IF something happens during or after the install...but the RP should put me right where I want to be.

[Proshop]

Originally Posted by anavrinIV Lex, I'm going to thank you for saving me the money on a downpipe. I ordered a racepipe from a guy on here and I'm soon getting a new TMIC too, then the necessary additions to run stage 2. I almost went full DP anyway but I can't afford the money and down time IF something happens during or after the install...but the RP should put me right where I want to be.

Taking the same route as you, thanks to Lex's advice on mod list.

[rfinkle2]

Here is another example of a guy without a laundry list of mods making good power.

(If you are on the Perm list, I'm sure any of the guys on their team could get you similar numbers)

national speed dyno