Stock fuel pump limits

[Enki]

Neutering the VVT table with an AP can gain you additional headroom; at least it does on genwon.

[Voltron]

Like we said, every car reacts differently to mods. What's good and works for you may not work for others. In my opinion, everyone should have a fp and ap, or some type of way to monitor what's going on. I do logs few times a week, just for peace of mind, because you never know.

[jack_hammer]

dude, what the fuck are you carrying on about? you've been on the forum for a couple months and now you're an expert? you might be learning the concepts here but your knowledge is clearly surface deep.

there are so much bullshit in your posts i can't address it all but i'm going to do what i can

Originally Posted by SpdDemon89 Get an AP and autotechs. will make you car run right. if not, dont do anything to your car. just getting an intake wont help. i had AP and sri+TIP and i was having problems. so just because one person says they were fine, doesnt mean you will be. buy and ap and autotech internals, or buy a civic and sell the speed to someone who will run it right.

AP + AT or get a civic?
AP + AT does not guarantee your car will run right

Originally Posted by SpdDemon89 I never said anything about speed. Its about having your car run well. and you sir, will have a sick car. Either take the advice, or have a sick car. i brought up the civic because your OP sounds like a civic post with the "intake and CBE only" and the general disregard to tuning. i mean do whatever you want...but dont come on a forum, ask for help and answers, and then not listen. I had a problem and the people on this forum gave me ideas, and i followed them. the car is running GREAT!!!. read and learn baby

there are so many cars that can accept an intake and cbe w/o problems. it's not ridiculous to have that as the only mods planned. you didn't know you would need a FP before you installed your intake, did you? but you want to bash someone for finding out BEFORE hand?

Originally Posted by SpdDemon89 hey now guys vtec is a serious thing.... the new si's even come with a Vtec gauge!!!! great now these idiots are gonna think... 1. vtec is a/or is like a turbo 2. they will brag about their awesome boost gauge 3. they will try to brake boost 4. they will use it as an excuse when they lose to a speed 3 5. they will get an AP to "raise the limit" 6. they will occasionally monitor it to make sure it maintains normal "level". another thing these guys do is just buy an intake and cbe lololol @rfinkle2 is the man and he knows what hes talking about. do the right thing man!!! stage 3 turbo....sigh

another thing they do is just buy an intake and cbe? that's more than what you did before you ran into problems.

also, personal opinion here, is "they" also like to black our their car for that sick mudered out look, yo.

what is "sigh" about a stage 3 turbo? have you ever heard of BNR? i guess they suck, too?



try reading more and "helping" less.

[Enki]

Regardless of how far you're going to go, you should get an AP and FPI.

[mituc]

genjuan or genpu - NEVER EVER add any flow mods without proper calibrations (read TUNE).
So get the AP/Versatune/Hypertech/whatever first and then add the other mods (intake, HPFP internals, TMIC/FMIC, exhaust - ideally in about this order).

Probably the stock fuel pump will be fine with conservative tunes which don't have load targets higher than like 1.8-1.85 (even 1.9). But without a tune you will most probably spike to more than that with just the stock tune and some power mods such as a TMIC or turboback (catbacks don't matter at all when having the stock K04 so we will not discuss them here).

[Tadweezy]

Originally Posted by duappleganger OP basically you're not getting the answer you want. With just a CBE and SRI you would probably be fine but some peoples stock pumps have quit with as little as that. To be absolutely sure you need an Accessport and fuel pump internals. It's as simple as that, you are not going to get a yes or no answer on this.

OP This Guy is Correct, Look up KMD Tuning. They are Outa SaddleBrook NJ, They Manufacture Fuel Pump Internals. Our Fuel Pump has the same issues as the Fuel pumps on the 2004 Audi A4's Sad to say out FP will cause you issues. KMD is also a Certified Cobb Tuning Dealer as you can get an access port through them. Thats where ill be going to get mine once i save up the $595 for it.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Tadweezy OP This Guy is Correct, Look up KMD Tuning. They are Outa SaddleBrook NJ, They Manufacture Fuel Pump Internals. Our Fuel Pump has the same issues as the Fuel pumps on the 2004 Audi A4's Sad to say out FP will cause you issues. KMD is also a Certified Cobb Tuning Dealer as you can get an access port through them. Thats where ill be going to get mine once i save up the $595 for it.

Whats wrong with eric@edgeautosport.com? He has ap's in stock and autotech internals. Support our vendors man, because he looks out for us. Try walking into kmd and telling him you own a speed, let me know the words that come out of his mouth. He loves mazdas haha.

[Tadweezy]

Originally Posted by voltron Whats wrong with eric@edgeautosport.com? He has ap's in stock and autotech internals. Support our vendors man, because he looks out for us. Try walking into kmd and telling him you own a speed, let me know the words that come out of his mouth. He loves mazdas haha.

my boss owns an audi a4 and he asked the owners at kmd tuning if he does MS3 and thats how i got hooked up with KMD. i havent really found any other tuners in north NJ.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Tadweezy my boss owns an audi a4 and he asked the owners at kmd tuning if he does MS3 and thats how i got hooked up with KMD. i havent really found any other tuners in north NJ.

Do researching on kmd internals. As for tuning, there's tons of tuners out there. I etune with @rfinkle2, but he's in jersey. Buddy of mine went into kmd few months ago as kmd is local to him, guy was like oh jeez, another Mazda guy? You here to bitch and complain? I went with autotechs for peace of mind. Pm me if u want more info.

Originally Posted by Tadweezy my boss owns an audi a4 and he asked the owners at kmd tuning if he does MS3 and thats how i got hooked up with KMD. i havent really found any other tuners in north NJ.

Pm me if u want more info.

[Tadweezy]

Originally Posted by voltron Do researching on kmd internals. As for tuning, there's tons of tuners out there. I etune with @rfinkle2, but he's in jersey. Buddy of mine went into kmd few months ago as kmd is local to him, guy was like oh jeez, another Mazda guy? You here to bitch and complain? I went with autotechs for peace of mind. Pm me if u want more info. Pm me if u want more info.

Im Good With KMD : My Boss Been using them for 8 years and he hooked me up with them they know i got a MS3 and they were nice about it. here a short list of what KMD did for my Bosses old VW Jetta before getting a Audi A4. Hence Y im going to use them.

Engine:
KMD custom built 3.2L VR6 motor
3208cc
Lightened and Balanced
Diamond Forged Pistons, 84mm
Eurospec rods
Eurospec, OEM spec crank, ground down to allow rods to fit
Schrick 268º cams
CR: 10.1:1
Ported, honed and extruded head
OEM valves x 12
OEM lifters and springs
KMD custom 3.2L software
Milltek cat-back exhaust w/ custom hangers
K&N drop in filter
Smoothed out air box
Truechoice motorsports 3" Ram air duct, 3/4 length

Also who did hw talk to @ KMD im shocked they would be so mean. Keri is the front desk and The owner is Danny.

[Voltron]

He's good with them, I'm just saying that they got so used to people calling and complaining about failed internals. They inspected his pump and internals, and installed a new set. They thought it was faulty install causing pressure drops, opened it up, everything was good. Turned out to b his relief valve, but gave him a new set anyways. If you have a repore, then by all means do you. I wasn't willing to go with them after reading multiple threads about them failing. And they are local to me also. Like I said, for me it was piece of mind.

[Tadweezy]

Originally Posted by voltron He's good with them, I'm just saying that they got so used to people calling and complaining about failed internals. They inspected his pump and internals, and installed a new set. They thought it was faulty install causing pressure drops, opened it up, everything was good. Turned out to b his relief valve, but gave him a new set anyways. If you have a repore, then by all means do you. I wasn't willing to go with them after reading multiple threads about them failing. And they are local to me also. Like I said, for me it was piece of mind.

Can you post a link to a thread were u see the KMD interanals failing. I know the Stock FPI suck, and i know KMD manufactures and tests there own so. by all means if u know that they also fail please post a link so i can see it before i do go with the KMD Internals. OTher wise ill need a new place in North NJ to find.

[Spoofmastafly]

Originally Posted by Tadweezy Can you post a link to a thread were u see the KMD interanals failing. I know the Stock FPI suck, and i know KMD manufactures and tests there own so. by all means if u know that they also fail please post a link so i can see it before i do go with the KMD Internals. OTher wise ill need a new place in North NJ to find.

Just search KMD and a lot of threads will pop up with failed internals. Their bad rap started with me, I was on their wait list for 6 months. Every week i called or emailed them there was another issue why the internals weren't ready.. Coating issues, mill issues etc.. I got tired of waiting and cancelled my order. Was one of the first to install Autotechs and have never had an issue. The guys that stayed on the wait list has issues with that first batch. The internals seized, with barely any milage on them. KMD claims another bad batch.. People get replacements and just get rid of them because they already bought Autotechs due to the time it took KMD to redo the coating issues and supply replacements. They even tried to say it was user install failure and wanted a certified mechanic to install the internals. Since your local and your allowing them to install your internals you may not have an issue. If you do it will get warrantied by them. I personally would go with Autotechs. The few threads on here about their failures were due to user error (not installing the spring clips/top hat correctly) or relief valve failure.

[mituc]

We're tired of your boss already.
The other thing is that I'm not sure you understand the difference between a normally aspirated 3.2l engine reviing not much higher than probably 7200-7500rpm and a turbocharged engine, VAG or Ford/Mazda or whatever, revving almost as much. So I'm not really sure you understand the fuelling needs differences between the two on the whole rev range in all boost conditions, as the engine in our cars will be fine with the stock pump internals producing way more power than that tuned version your has.

Now, if you don't have any pictures with your boss sucking his own dick please spare us and stop mentioning him. Mazdaspeed owners have bosses just like they have underwear, and we don't worship our underwear.

[jack_hammer]

kmd fail

[G26]

I've tuned 2 people that had failing KMD pump internals and they didn't know shit until I checked their logs. They both now have autotechs with no fuel pressure issues.

[Voltron]

Like its been said, some kmds are fine, some have failed. I havent to my knowledge seen any posts about autotechs shittin the bed yet. Your car, your money, and if you guys are cool with the guys at kmd go for it. Me, I'll pay for the peace of mind.

[Weazsel]

Originally Posted by rfinkle2 To confuse the situation even more...17 - 17.5 psi is the key boost level here (with a few exceptions). The more flow, the more chance of spike, higher boost levels etc. Here is the course of events that lead people to get internals: 1) install flow mod and flow mod increases boost > 17 psi 2) ecu dumps excess fuel due to ecu getting cranky @ <1600 psi fuel pressure 3) car runs silly rich (9.xx afr's rich) 4) flow mod $ wasted due to excessively rich afr's - I have seen stock pumps fail @ < 17 psi too, but most will hold that level. IMO, stay bone stock, or get an AP, and fuel pump internals.

+1... I'm going through this shit right now. With just an intake, not even a TIP, my stock fp is a limp peepee.

Internals going in hopefully the weekend before or after Independence day.