Teh tarbo is doneskies
 

Well, I'm not sure how many of you guys have been following my threads, but lately I've been having some white smoke issues at idle. I hope I'm not the first Genpu with a blown turbo, cause I definitely have one.

About 2 days ago I finally put my KMD internals in and everything was running really well. I flashed the Stage 2 Cobb SF/TIH 93 map along with the install and I really wasn't hitting full boost. I ended up getting the Stage 2 Corksport SRI/TIH 93 map from somebody who posted on my thread. This one even ran worse, timing was really low, only hit a max of 12 psi, and running extremely rich. I decided that I wanted to run something pretty safe and wanted test different maps to make sure I could actually run full boost, so I just flashed Stage 1 CS SRI/TIH + CDFP. Everything was running perfectly fine, so after driving pretty normally for about 20 miles I decide to do a couple of pulls with my friend with a stock 07 STi. With my inexperience and dumbness, I said I was going to log them but completely forgot to. Our first race I held with him no problem and then after the second one he pulls on me with every gear. We turn around to go back home and when I slow down at the light, I hear metal sort of squeaking/spinning and my exhaust is super poppy. I get back to the house and the car starts white smoking like before, except the smoke is a little thicker. I was also idling very low, running rich as hell, and I can tell the turbo has trouble spooling up from idle rpm.

I flashed back to stock tune and unmarried the AP. Here are the videos before I leave to go back to my house and once I get back to my house. On my way there, I dumped so much smoke. It completely covered the four lane street.




Here's a shitty video from my friends phone. I'm sorry it's sideways and skinny.


I know that you can run a motor without a running turbo, but it obviously burns a lot of oil and is probably not great for the motor anyhow. That being said, the dealership I want to take it to is about 70 miles away back home. Do you think it's an awful idea to stock out and then drive it that far? Or should I just straight up tow it?

My other question is regarding stocking out for the dealership. The dealership is somewhat mod friendly, but there's obviously no way for me to be 100% sure.

Fuel internals... Keep them in? They only have about 200 miles on them and they running great.
Cat back exhaust... It was a pain in the ass to install, remove or not? I also would have to bring the stock exhaust back from my home 70 miles away and reinstall.

I've donated and I'm not a complete noob, so please don't treat me like one. I really need the questions answered so I can make a decision by tomorrow. Unfortunately, all this shit is happening during finals... FML

Thanks in advance.

i would stock out and tow it.. leave the fuel pump internals....

stock out with your cock out



then drive the fucker there...call a tow truck and tell them to be on standby

then its all good bro

if they replace the turbo...ask them for the old one...then get it rebuilt and BNR'ed and then sell it for mad money

You need to call them and tell them what's going on. Your car is warranteed, and they need to make the decision on tow or drive. If you drive, you risk voiding warranty on engine because they can easily say you did additional damage by driving.

Why would you insall the turbo? They will put it in for you.

There is no reason for them to pull the fuel pump. No tech is going to realize you have aftermarket internals. But, if, in their wisdom, they think the FP is to blame, they may just swap it and your internals go with it.

I wouldn't worry about the catback if they are AT ALL mod friendly. DO take out the SRI/TIP. It's easy enough, better to just do it.

Race Pipe should come out. should be easy.

I would say if they are mod friendly, leave the internals, and the cat back, but stock out the remainder.

I wouldn't drive the 70 miles, just in case they decide not to warranty the work and parts, you would be risking spending way more $ than the max towing fee.

Fwiw, I'm sorry to hear that something is wrong with your car.

Let us know the details from here on out, if you have the chance and do not mind.

Why do you need to take it to a dealership 70 miles away? Just stock out everything but the pump and CBE and get it fixed under warranty.

when i blew my turbo i took all my engine/exhaust modifications off except my cbe since i had to cut the old one off

i left everything else non engine related in (sways, shifter etc)

they bitched at me for oil change receipts so make sure you have all of them handy before you go

i got mine replaced after 4 visits btw, they "couldnt replicate it" the first 3 times

oh also one last thing......

make sure you drive around a little bit before towing, they're gonna check for dtc's and may become suspicious if the computer was recently reset

Everyone has good advice. All I can say is sell my your AP.

Hope things go well with the car

Seems like a lot of you have shitty service. Mazda knew of my smoking turbo. I made an appointment 3 weeks prior as I was not home...my stock stuff was there. Went home, stocked out the SRI, TIP, & BPV. Kept my RMM, TMM, and STS along with a few other little things. All was fine. Got the ventilation kit installed and was good to go. No mention of receipts, questions about modifying, nothing. This same dealership also saw my car with mods on when going in for the regular oil change intervals.

Being yours is a Gen2, I don't think the TSB applies. As stated, keep the internals and CBE. Hell, drive to the dealer, it's your primary means of transportation. Good luck.


Tapawhat?

I've been fooled! I was told it was the nator thing to do.. But strangely I don't mind :)
(As long as it doesn't have to be ass then mouth.)

shit austin that fucking blows about ur turbo :/

most people dont understand the concept of nator ...... it is all about working TOGETHER


WAIT.... u not down for ATM? fuck it....then we switch that shit up to MTA..... as long as that A is mine.....shit , fuck do i care about the order of events

It is the dealership where I've done all my oil changes, bought my car, and I the service manager is really cool.

Oh well man, some of us are luckier than others...


Thank you to everyone who responded. I will be definitely stocking out, driving the car a little before towing it, and get myself someone that wants to fuck me in the ass real good and stick his cock inside my mouth.....and hopefully I'll have him send me a replacement. lol

I will definitely update the thread as soon as I get more news. I'd like for Genpu's to know what to expect when they have their shit blow...

Damn I thought the 2010's were not having these kinds of issues

It's the same engine with the same turbo, just different ecu. Shit's bound to happen.

That definitely sucks, but just be thankful for the warranty. If you know that dealership and are pretty confident with them, I'd try to use them. You never know what a dealership is going to be like, so you have to be careful. Stock out except for the CBE and pump, as others have said. There's no reason to take chances when it's so easy to swap SRI/TIP/RP.

i had my gen 1 turbo replaces at 10K or something. I had an intake,and turbo back for engine mods and they still covered it. they actually installed an aftermarket exhaust manifold while they were down there. for free (just had to buy the mani myself of course)..you just need know how to talk to these dealers. now mine was an 08 and gen1's were known for smoking so it might of been easier..Im not sure about a gen2 and tsb about turbo...and as someone said.. provide oil change info.. they got on me for that as well..

Sorry for your loss. R.I.P. K04 :crying:

Gen2 has most of the issues resolved that were present in the 'Gen 1' vehicles. He just happened to get a bum turbo, or was pushing it to hard.

I definitely baby my car. I'm very selective when I go WOT, I always let it idle before shutting it off, and my mods are not crazy enough to do that much damage. Unless if it was the tuning at the end these last 3 months, then I would maybe agree. None of my maps ever ran well...

mine shit itself with just an intake, tip and 18psi tune......at less than 20k, 3k on the tune

some turbos are just shit from the start


new turbo has 7k on it and sees 21psi almost daily

Another suggestion, take your video's/ pictures of your car with license or VIN off the web where it connects your specific vehicle to your Mod's. Some dealership's are great, some are hell bent on rape. Just saying, better safe than sorry.

That is quite unfortunate. Let us know what happens pal

Did you lube the KMD internals with Seafoam....? Good luck with the dealer.

What oil were you using?

I read somewhere that using a 5W40 prevents the turbo from smoking. Maybe try changing your oil to the Rotella T6 5W40, and the smoking might go away, i'm not sure about the other noise, but this is just my 2 cents FWIW.

You had to quote his entire post?!

You've read here about 5w40.

which dealership?

Yeah, sorry about that.:shrug:

www.bobistheoilguy.com has some good info on Rotella T6 5W40.

Here is the link:

Oil for my Mazdaspeed3... - Bob Is The Oil Guy

Here is a thread from another forum:

Mazda acknowledges smoking turbo issue

Here too:

2008.5 MazdaSpeed 3 GT


Hope everything works out.

No I thought Elmer's glue might work better. Seriously, I lubed them up with some 5w30
Sounds good. All I know is that I hear my turbine spinning and hitting the sidewalls, so I'm sure it's not just a turbo seal or anything.

Gullo Mazda. As I said before, that's where I bought it and I've done my oil. What would you suggest?



Thanks for the help everyone. I'll be stocking out today and towing early enough to take it to the stealership.

Sorry, it looked like shit on my iPhone!

When my turbo went i physically went into the dealer to talk to the service manager about the mods on my car. He said he didn't think they could do the work with the catless downpipe on there. I told them I didn't want to take it off, and they said ok. Got turbo replaced with intake, catless exhaust, and other minor stuff. I did unflash my AP and put the stock FMIC back on.

Honestly I would just talk to them and see if they are mod friendly.

I was just wondering. I know they're on the good dealership list, so I just wanted to know if there was another you were going to.

Good luck man, but it sounds like you shouldn't have a problem if the service manager is cool.

good luck broah

Since when did our cars come with a stock FMIC?

Good luck man.

That surprises me. The only dealers I've dealt with have tried to find anything to blame the problem on, including the way I drive. Seriously, I've been asked the question, "Does it happen with normal driving, or only when you're driving it hard." I didn't buy the car to drive it like a Prius.

I agree with others that have posted here. Leave the internals and the CBE on, stock out on the rest. It's a risk no matter what dealer you take the car to. If they want to, they'll find anything they can blame the problem on. Don't make it any easier for them unless you're willing to take that chance and end up paying for the turbo yourself.

Haha yours didn't?

You have to remember that the burden of proof is on them. They have to prove that your modifications contributed to the failure. The best thing you can do is go in knowledgeable, be courteous but don't let them push you around.

With the smoking turbo there are a few TSB's out. I don't think they would make a huge deal out of modifications if you reference knowledge of the TSB and have full oil records. It would be pretty hard for them to prove that your smoking turbo was the cause of modifications and not related to the PCV/Turbo seal issue. I think many dealers just deny warranty work and hope the customer accepts it.

^^and you have to realize this is the real world

deleting the 2nd cat reduced backpressure putting more stress on the seals causing premature failure

/end...do not pass go do not collect new turbo

you gonna pony up a lawyer to fight that, i bet ur ass they have techs that will find any and all ways to nail it on the OP

and they dont just deny warranty work for the fuck of it, do you know how the warranty system works?

1. dealer files claim or makes repair depending on severity
2. dealer sends bill to Mazda corporate
3. dealer gets reimbursed for repair after corporate approves the work


now, if its a bullshit item, they do it no problem, but when the warranty work costs 2k in parts and 5hrs worth of labor, they arent going to do it without being absolutely sure they are getting their money, hence the call to mazda to come look before touching the car

mazda says no, u get a baseball bat up your ass

its that simple

That's the way it SHOULD work, but most of the time that's not the way it works. I agree that the TSB does help though.

As for your last point, many dealers deny the warranty work not because they hope the customer will accept it, but because they know the customer can't do anything about it unless they want to hire a lawyer.

@8.5MS3 I agree with you 100%.

Well I passed GO and collected my $200. My warranty work was approved from Mazda USA for the replacement turbo with the DP still on. I explained to the dealer that it was irrelevant if I was catless now because I had receipts from when the DP was put on and oil records that showed 5W-40 weight oil and smoking at idle tech notes that predated the catless DP. They still wanted the stock exhaust off but I told them I really did not want to do that and that the stock cats were likely fouled from the smoke. They were cool about it and did a good job on the replacement.

Maybe I just lucked out with a decent dealer. Dunno guess I will confirm or deny that notion because I have some serious slack in my timing chain and I am taking it in tomorrow to have it checked by a tech. They said it would be covered under the powertrain warranty and they know I am modded so I guess we will see.

So I finished putting back the stock intake and TIP, but I've gotta finish putting back my mid-pipe. Sweet Jesus, that thing is a pain in the ass to put back on... What do you guys think the Mazda tech's will think when they see my heat shield above my mid-pipe is FUBAR? It's really crumpled up from the install, and I hope it doesn't get worse with the reinstallation... Do you think it's worth asking them to put a new one back on while they are doing the warranty work?

Anywho, while I was taking off my stocking out, I managed to take a look at my turbo... Let's just say I'm not surprised with what I saw...


Here's another video of me smoking at cold start... I was driving to get it all this shit stocked out. Nothing special.

I will give you guys an update after I get it towed to the dealership tomorrow!!!

So I'm at the dealership right now. They said they should let me know tomorrow if it is covered under warranty. The service manager said it more than likely is going to be covered. I finally was able to remove the race pipe, but I'm burning and leaking oil like crazy...

Good news so far. I've got my fingers crossed for you!.

Hope this works out for you! Good Luck.

hope its all good man

do you have all 3 stooges with you in the first vid?

I have a good feeling that it'll work out well for you man!

Good luck!

Did you have Curly helping you out with the de-install? You either have a strong southern accent or you're pronouncing turbo wrong. It's turbo with a U. Not tarbo. LOL

BTW, good luck. Update?

Lol I'm not sure what my buddy was doing in behind me...

Are you asking me seriously or just joking? Of course I know how to pronounce "turbo," it's just a joke between my friends to say it like that...


UPDATE: Service manager called me and left me a message. He said that they would be giving me a new turbo! He added that they would get it sometime Monday-Wednesday and that they would have a one day turn around... YAY!

I'm gonna ask him what they're gonna do with all the oil inside my exhaust. Does anyone know if they usually pass gasoline through it or something? Also, are my catalytic converters fucked with that much oil through them?

Your cats likely need to be replaced... or you'll see them cracking and breaking way before they should..

I agree some turbos are just plain defective, as my original one was pushing 14.6psi of boost and the new one hits 15.4/15.6 all day with the odd spike above 17 in the colder months. My turbo was replaced with a dealer installed MazdaSpeed CAI and the same dealer did the turbo.

Also Mazda dealers will not fix anything that is not straight forward without getting authorization, hell dealer will not touch shit on my car to resolve issues I am still having without authorization not even diagnostic shit! 6mths and still waiting for a resolution on 1 issue!! Hows that for customer service!

Mazda's New slogan," if it's not worth driving it's not worth building"!! Really it should be ,"If you can't fix it if it breaks then it's not worth building"!

I'm glad the dealer isn't screwing you over man! Tell them you want your cats replaced while they are doing the turbo since the turbo caused the damage.

Just a couple of videos my friend took when I was taking it to their place to stock out. Please excuse my friends, they hadn't seen the white smoke till now and they were freaking out.



Just so you guys know, I wasn't boosting at all. I just had to speed up because the road we got on was 60 mph.


Another shaft play video... Again, please excuse my friend lol.

Glad it worked out for you!

UPDATE: So they told me they would be receiving the new turbo sometime Monday(today)-Wednesday. I just called in to check if it had come in and they told me the car was already finished... I guess it only takes a few hours to swap a turbo? Also, when I asked him if they had to replace the catalytic converters, he said that they didn't have to and everything is running great. I haven't seen the car yet, but I know for a fact that I had like tons of oil going through my exhaust... What does everyone think?

I think that you should take your car and run! ... J/k.

Bump for cat damage question. Congrats on a brand new turbo!

Is it possible to install a new turbo that quickly, even if you assume that they received it first thing this morning? Sounds fishy to me. Hopefully they're just that good.

Another update...

Car is running great. I don't know if it's my head or maybe the internals with the stock tune, but the turbo spools way faster than before. Maybe it's just that my turbo was fucked from the get go... I'm planning on going easy on it, but from what I'm reading, there really isn't a turbo break-in period. What does everyone think? What about running a OTS map and not going WOT?

I'll probably open up my exhaust and run some gasoline through it to clean it up. I'm not sure what I can do to make the dealership put new cats on my car. I told them before & after my turbo was replaced and they said that the cats were fine and didn't need replacing...

I haven't researched it much, but I would think any oil would burn out of the piping, and have never seen anyone successfully clean a cat.

If it were me, I'd just drive the hell out of the car.

they usually just drive them until they stop smoking... i have convinced mazda to replace customers cats because they were concerned about the amount of oil that had been passed through... mention it to the dealership and if they word it right you can get a new one...

Did they happen to tell you how much it would have cost you to have the turbo replaced if they had not honored your warranty?

Your cats are fine. They are warranty'd for 10 years/100k miles anyway (federal warranty). All of the oil speweing through the turbo will burn the second it comes out of the turbo, into the exhaust. No need to worry.

The local shop I go to in Boca Raton Florida, the guy that runs it was telling me to buy a oil catch can because it can stop the oil from going through the turbo and prevent things like this happening. true? Or is he being a salesman?

If I understood the parts guy correctly, he said that the turbo is about $1200. I have no idea on labor though.

Yeah, well I had oil dripping out of my exhaust and when I took out my race pipe, it was coated with oil. I'm taking the car to the dealership very soon. Pretty sure I blew my downpipe cat the other night.

I honestly don't know 100%. Maybe somebody can chime in and give a full explanation.

I'd love to know this too. Seems very logical though.