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2010Speed3

Well, I'm not sure how many of you guys have been following my threads, but lately I've been having some white smoke issues at idle. I hope I'm not the first Genpu with a blown turbo, cause I definitely have one.

About 2 days ago I finally put my KMD internals in and everything was running really well. I flashed the Stage 2 Cobb SF/TIH 93 map along with the install and I really wasn't hitting full boost. I ended up getting the Stage 2 Corksport SRI/TIH 93 map from somebody who posted on my thread. This one even ran worse, timing was really low, only hit a max of 12 psi, and running extremely rich. I decided that I wanted to run something pretty safe and wanted test different maps to make sure I could actually run full boost, so I just flashed Stage 1 CS SRI/TIH + CDFP. Everything was running perfectly fine, so after driving pretty normally for about 20 miles I decide to do a couple of pulls with my friend with a stock 07 STi. With my inexperience and dumbness, I said I was going to log them but completely forgot to. Our first race I held with him no problem and then after the second one he pulls on me with every gear. We turn around to go back home and when I slow down at the light, I hear metal sort of squeaking/spinning and my exhaust is super poppy. I get back to the house and the car starts white smoking like before, except the smoke is a little thicker. I was also idling very low, running rich as hell, and I can tell the turbo has trouble spooling up from idle rpm.

I flashed back to stock tune and unmarried the AP. Here are the videos before I leave to go back to my house and once I get back to my house. On my way there, I dumped so much smoke. It completely covered the four lane street.

YouTube - 2010 Mazdaspeed3 White Smoking (Part 1)

YouTube - 2010 Mazdaspeed3 White Smoking (Part 2)

Here's a shitty video from my friends phone. I'm sorry it's sideways and skinny.

YouTube - 2010 MazdaSpeed3 White Smoke

I know that you can run a motor without a running turbo, but it obviously burns a lot of oil and is probably not great for the motor anyhow. That being said, the dealership I want to take it to is about 70 miles away back home. Do you think it's an awful idea to stock out and then drive it that far? Or should I just straight up tow it?

My other question is regarding stocking out for the dealership. The dealership is somewhat mod friendly, but there's obviously no way for me to be 100% sure.

Fuel internals... Keep them in? They only have about 200 miles on them and they running great.
Cat back exhaust... It was a pain in the ass to install, remove or not? I also would have to bring the stock exhaust back from my home 70 miles away and reinstall.

I've donated and I'm not a complete noob, so please don't treat me like one. I really need the questions answered so I can make a decision by tomorrow. Unfortunately, all this shit is happening during finals... FML

Thanks in advance.

jracer

i would stock out and tow it.. leave the fuel pump internals....

Monotonous ONE

stock out with your cock out

then drive the fucker there...call a tow truck and tell them to be on standby

then its all good bro

if they replace the turbo...ask them for the old one...then get it rebuilt and BNR'ed and then sell it for mad money

xfeejayx

You need to call them and tell them what's going on. Your car is warranteed, and they need to make the decision on tow or drive. If you drive, you risk voiding warranty on engine because they can easily say you did additional damage by driving.

Why would you insall the turbo? They will put it in for you.

There is no reason for them to pull the fuel pump. No tech is going to realize you have aftermarket internals. But, if, in their wisdom, they think the FP is to blame, they may just swap it and your internals go with it.

I wouldn't worry about the catback if they are AT ALL mod friendly. DO take out the SRI/TIP. It's easy enough, better to just do it.

Race Pipe should come out. should be easy.

rfinkle2

I would say if they are mod friendly, leave the internals, and the cat back, but stock out the remainder.

I wouldn't drive the 70 miles, just in case they decide not to warranty the work and parts, you would be risking spending way more $ than the max towing fee.

Fwiw, I'm sorry to hear that something is wrong with your car.

Let us know the details from here on out, if you have the chance and do not mind.

Mchart

Why do you need to take it to a dealership 70 miles away? Just stock out everything but the pump and CBE and get it fixed under warranty.

8.5MS3

when i blew my turbo i took all my engine/exhaust modifications off except my cbe since i had to cut the old one off

i left everything else non engine related in (sways, shifter etc)

they bitched at me for oil change receipts so make sure you have all of them handy before you go

i got mine replaced after 4 visits btw, they "couldnt replicate it" the first 3 times

oh also one last thing......

make sure you drive around a little bit before towing, they're gonna check for dtc's and may become suspicious if the computer was recently reset

3mazdaspeed

Everyone has good advice. All I can say is sell my your AP.

Hope things go well with the car

08.5MS3

Seems like a lot of you have shitty service. Mazda knew of my smoking turbo. I made an appointment 3 weeks prior as I was not home...my stock stuff was there. Went home, stocked out the SRI, TIP, & BPV. Kept my RMM, TMM, and STS along with a few other little things. All was fine. Got the ventilation kit installed and was good to go. No mention of receipts, questions about modifying, nothing. This same dealership also saw my car with mods on when going in for the regular oil change intervals.

Being yours is a Gen2, I don't think the TSB applies. As stated, keep the internals and CBE. Hell, drive to the dealer, it's your primary means of transportation. Good luck.

Tapawhat?

rodrigo

i recommend this op, get yourself someone that wants to fuck u in the ass real good and stick his cock inside your mouth.....and have him send u a replacement

Boost Seduced

Originally Posted by lenny127

i recommend this op, get yourself someone that wants to fuck u in the ass real good and stick his cock inside your mouth.....and have him send u a replacement

I've been fooled! I was told it was the nator thing to do.. But strangely I don't mind

(As long as it doesn't have to be ass then mouth.)

TexasSpeed3

shit austin that fucking blows about ur turbo :/

rodrigo · 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Boost Seduced

I've been fooled! I was told it was the nator thing to do.. But strangely I don't mind

(As long as it doesn't have to be ass then mouth.)

most people dont understand the concept of nator ...... it is all about working TOGETHER

WAIT.... u not down for ATM? fuck it....then we switch that shit up to MTA..... as long as that A is mine.....shit , fuck do i care about the order of events

2010Speed3

Originally Posted by Mchart

Why do you need to take it to a dealership 70 miles away? Just stock out everything but the pump and CBE and get it fixed under warranty.

It is the dealership where I've done all my oil changes, bought my car, and I the service manager is really cool.

Originally Posted by TexasSpeed3

shit austin that fucking blows about ur turbo :/

Oh well man, some of us are luckier than others...

Thank you to everyone who responded. I will be definitely stocking out, driving the car a little before towing it, and get myself someone that wants to fuck me in the ass real good and stick his cock inside my mouth.....and hopefully I'll have him send me a replacement. lol

I will definitely update the thread as soon as I get more news. I'd like for Genpu's to know what to expect when they have their shit blow...

ztnedman1

Damn I thought the 2010's were not having these kinds of issues

2010Speed3

It's the same engine with the same turbo, just different ecu. Shit's bound to happen.

Nataphen

That definitely sucks, but just be thankful for the warranty. If you know that dealership and are pretty confident with them, I'd try to use them. You never know what a dealership is going to be like, so you have to be careful. Stock out except for the CBE and pump, as others have said. There's no reason to take chances when it's so easy to swap SRI/TIP/RP.

specvspeedfreak

i had my gen 1 turbo replaces at 10K or something. I had an intake,and turbo back for engine mods and they still covered it. they actually installed an aftermarket exhaust manifold while they were down there. for free (just had to buy the mani myself of course)..you just need know how to talk to these dealers. now mine was an 08 and gen1's were known for smoking so it might of been easier..Im not sure about a gen2 and tsb about turbo...and as someone said.. provide oil change info.. they got on me for that as well..

xsilent13x

Sorry for your loss. R.I.P. K04

Mchart

Originally Posted by specvspeedfreak

i had my gen 1 turbo replaces at 10K or something. I had an intake,and turbo back for engine mods and they still covered it. they actually installed an aftermarket exhaust manifold while they were down there. for free (just had to buy the mani myself of course)..you just need know how to talk to these dealers. now mine was an 08 and gen1's were known for smoking so it might of been easier..Im not sure about a gen2 and tsb about turbo...and as someone said.. provide oil change info.. they got on me for that as well..

Gen2 has most of the issues resolved that were present in the 'Gen 1' vehicles. He just happened to get a bum turbo, or was pushing it to hard.

2010Speed3

I definitely baby my car. I'm very selective when I go WOT, I always let it idle before shutting it off, and my mods are not crazy enough to do that much damage. Unless if it was the tuning at the end these last 3 months, then I would maybe agree. None of my maps ever ran well...

8.5MS3

mine shit itself with just an intake, tip and 18psi tune......at less than 20k, 3k on the tune

some turbos are just shit from the start

new turbo has 7k on it and sees 21psi almost daily

FridayGt

Another suggestion, take your video's/ pictures of your car with license or VIN off the web where it connects your specific vehicle to your Mod's. Some dealership's are great, some are hell bent on rape. Just saying, better safe than sorry.

boostislove

That is quite unfortunate. Let us know what happens pal

xsilent13x

Did you lube the KMD internals with Seafoam....? Good luck with the dealer.

WillyH

Originally Posted by 2010Speed3

Well, I'm not sure how many of you guys have been following my threads, but lately I've been having some white smoke issues at idle. I hope I'm not the first Genpu with a blown turbo, cause I definitely have one.

About 2 days ago I finally put my KMD internals in and everything was running really well. I flashed the Stage 2 Cobb SF/TIH 93 map along with the install and I really wasn't hitting full boost. I ended up getting the Stage 2 Corksport SRI/TIH 93 map from somebody who posted on my thread. This one even ran worse, timing was really low, only hit a max of 12 psi, and running extremely rich. I decided that I wanted to run something pretty safe and wanted test different maps to make sure I could actually run full boost, so I just flashed Stage 1 CS SRI/TIH + CDFP. Everything was running perfectly fine, so after driving pretty normally for about 20 miles I decide to do a couple of pulls with my friend with a stock 07 STi. With my inexperience and dumbness, I said I was going to log them but completely forgot to. Our first race I held with him no problem and then after the second one he pulls on me with every gear. We turn around to go back home and when I slow down at the light, I hear metal sort of squeaking/spinning and my exhaust is super poppy. I get back to the house and the car starts white smoking like before, except the smoke is a little thicker. I was also idling very low, running rich as hell, and I can tell the turbo has trouble spooling up from idle rpm.

I flashed back to stock tune and unmarried the AP. Here are the videos before I leave to go back to my house and once I get back to my house. On my way there, I dumped so much smoke. It completely covered the four lane street.

YouTube - 2010 Mazdaspeed3 White Smoking (Part 1)

YouTube - 2010 Mazdaspeed3 White Smoking (Part 2)

Here's a shitty video from my friends phone. I'm sorry it's sideways and skinny.

YouTube - 2010 MazdaSpeed3 White Smoke

I know that you can run a motor without a running turbo, but it obviously burns a lot of oil and is probably not great for the motor anyhow. That being said, the dealership I want to take it to is about 70 miles away back home. Do you think it's an awful idea to stock out and then drive it that far? Or should I just straight up tow it?

My other question is regarding stocking out for the dealership. The dealership is somewhat mod friendly, but there's obviously no way for me to be 100% sure.

Fuel internals... Keep them in? They only have about 200 miles on them and they running great.
Cat back exhaust... It was a pain in the ass to install, remove or not? I also would have to bring the stock exhaust back from my home 70 miles away and reinstall.

I've donated and I'm not a complete noob, so please don't treat me like one. I really need the questions answered so I can make a decision by tomorrow. Unfortunately, all this shit is happening during finals... FML

Thanks in advance.

What oil were you using?

I read somewhere that using a 5W40 prevents the turbo from smoking. Maybe try changing your oil to the Rotella T6 5W40, and the smoking might go away, i'm not sure about the other noise, but this is just my 2 cents FWIW.

08.5MS3

You had to quote his entire post?!

You've read here about 5w40.

PunjabiPlaya

which dealership?

WillyH

Originally Posted by 08.5MS3

You had to quote his entire post?!

You've read here about 5w40.

Yeah, sorry about that.

www.bobistheoilguy.com has some good info on Rotella T6 5W40.

Here is the link:

Oil for my Mazdaspeed3... - Bob Is The Oil Guy

Here is a thread from another forum:

Mazda acknowledges smoking turbo issue

Here too:

2008.5 MazdaSpeed 3 GT

Hope everything works out.

2010Speed3

Originally Posted by xsilent13x

Did you lube the KMD internals with Seafoam....? Good luck with the dealer.

No I thought Elmer's glue might work better. Seriously, I lubed them up with some 5w30

Originally Posted by WillyH

What oil were you using?

I read somewhere that using a 5W40 prevents the turbo from smoking. Maybe try changing your oil to the Rotella T6 5W40, and the smoking might go away, i'm not sure about the other noise, but this is just my 2 cents FWIW.

Sounds good. All I know is that I hear my turbine spinning and hitting the sidewalls, so I'm sure it's not just a turbo seal or anything.

Originally Posted by PunjabiPlaya

which dealership?

Gullo Mazda. As I said before, that's where I bought it and I've done my oil. What would you suggest?

Thanks for the help everyone. I'll be stocking out today and towing early enough to take it to the stealership.

08.5MS3

Originally Posted by WillyH

Yeah, sorry about that.

Sorry, it looked like shit on my iPhone!

dsmluck

When my turbo went i physically went into the dealer to talk to the service manager about the mods on my car. He said he didn't think they could do the work with the catless downpipe on there. I told them I didn't want to take it off, and they said ok. Got turbo replaced with intake, catless exhaust, and other minor stuff. I did unflash my AP and put the stock FMIC back on.

Honestly I would just talk to them and see if they are mod friendly.

PunjabiPlaya

Originally Posted by 2010Speed3

Gullo Mazda. As I said before, that's where I bought it and I've done my oil. What would you suggest?

I was just wondering. I know they're on the good dealership list, so I just wanted to know if there was another you were going to.

Good luck man, but it sounds like you shouldn't have a problem if the service manager is cool.

Monotonous ONE

good luck broah

08.5MS3

Originally Posted by dsmluck

I did unflash my AP and put the stock FMIC back on.

Since when did our cars come with a stock FMIC?

JS + MS3

Good luck man.

indianaryan

Originally Posted by dsmluck

When my turbo went i physically went into the dealer to talk to the service manager about the mods on my car. He said he didn't think they could do the work with the catless downpipe on there. I told them I didn't want to take it off, and they said ok. Got turbo replaced with intake, catless exhaust, and other minor stuff. I did unflash my AP and put the stock FMIC back on.

Honestly I would just talk to them and see if they are mod friendly.

That surprises me. The only dealers I've dealt with have tried to find anything to blame the problem on, including the way I drive. Seriously, I've been asked the question, "Does it happen with normal driving, or only when you're driving it hard." I didn't buy the car to drive it like a Prius.

I agree with others that have posted here. Leave the internals and the CBE on, stock out on the rest. It's a risk no matter what dealer you take the car to. If they want to, they'll find anything they can blame the problem on. Don't make it any easier for them unless you're willing to take that chance and end up paying for the turbo yourself.

dsmluck

Originally Posted by 08.5MS3

Since when did our cars come with a stock FMIC?

Haha yours didn't?

dsmluck

Originally Posted by indianaryan

That surprises me. The only dealers I've dealt with have tried to find anything to blame the problem on, including the way I drive. Seriously, I've been asked the question, "Does it happen with normal driving, or only when you're driving it hard." I didn't buy the car to drive it like a Prius.

I agree with others that have posted here. Leave the internals and the CBE on, stock out on the rest. It's a risk no matter what dealer you take the car to. If they want to, they'll find anything they can blame the problem on. Don't make it any easier for them unless you're willing to take that chance and end up paying for the turbo yourself.

You have to remember that the burden of proof is on them. They have to prove that your modifications contributed to the failure. The best thing you can do is go in knowledgeable, be courteous but don't let them push you around.

With the smoking turbo there are a few TSB's out. I don't think they would make a huge deal out of modifications if you reference knowledge of the TSB and have full oil records. It would be pretty hard for them to prove that your smoking turbo was the cause of modifications and not related to the PCV/Turbo seal issue. I think many dealers just deny warranty work and hope the customer accepts it.

8.5MS3

^^and you have to realize this is the real world

deleting the 2nd cat reduced backpressure putting more stress on the seals causing premature failure

/end...do not pass go do not collect new turbo

you gonna pony up a lawyer to fight that, i bet ur ass they have techs that will find any and all ways to nail it on the OP

and they dont just deny warranty work for the fuck of it, do you know how the warranty system works?

1. dealer files claim or makes repair depending on severity
2. dealer sends bill to Mazda corporate
3. dealer gets reimbursed for repair after corporate approves the work

now, if its a bullshit item, they do it no problem, but when the warranty work costs 2k in parts and 5hrs worth of labor, they arent going to do it without being absolutely sure they are getting their money, hence the call to mazda to come look before touching the car

mazda says no, u get a baseball bat up your ass

its that simple

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