Thinking of jumping from Si to MS3

[Illusion]

LMAO (clown car) !!!! cant stop laffin

OK from my experiance, I have never seen a fast honda on the road but I am aware that the various series of motors (k and B) can be pretty hardcore, if put in wrench time as with any other engine. Im going to tell you right now brother the civic from the factory does not and will not handle as well as a MS3, (I know a set of coil overs can change that, and slix too). With that being said I Freaking love my MZR DISI motor over any honda series motor, that's just me though i really enjoy the amount of torque these disi motors make.
Now im not saying the Civic SI is a bad car at all but if you want more of a driving experiance i suggest pulling the trigger on the MS3. If you want something to get you from A-B i suggest you keep the civilized civic and don't move to a race car. It is in my opinion that Mazda created the speed3 to not compete with the competition but KILL the competition and I would not trade my speed3 for any other FWD vehicle (cept a focus RS fucking britts have em and mexico).

[JgamB]

I've seen a 700 HP Honda on the dyno at TrackMasters - you can go apeshit with them just like any other car. The premise though is the MS3 is already factory prepped for significant power, and the Honda is $6k away from even putting it's nose in the competition.

I hate to say this after driving the Honda for several years, but I'd rate the build quality just above a Neon. Sure, the fitment is tighter and the mechanicals are more reliable, but it's still the same barely-meets-tolerances type of structure.

If you're fortunate enough to have a reputable Honda tuner in your area and the funds to burn playing catch-up, go right ahead. I decided to buy the MS3 because it's great fun as-is and communities like MSF can get you to proven and reliable extra power.

[alphasaur]

my ep3 handled very well. Relatively light and 225 tires on it made it very competent even on stock suspension. I'd buy another ep3 as a daily.

[G26]

Lol at you fags talking like the ms3 is some race prepped shit from the factory.

Guyz, a base model mustang that costs $20k makes more power and is as fast.

Shit my accord has 10 more hp.


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[Switters]

Previous ep3 owner as well here. I miss the dash shifter position the most. Traded it in on a genwon and just picked up a 2013 MS3 tonight. Love these cars. Ditch the Si.

[Boom]

hey

if your trying to impress high school chicks im sure the honda is the shit, if you want a big boy car get a speed6 and join us in awd traction land, or you could get an ms3, atleast you could blend in and be cool with that stance crowd.

[Southernace76]

Originally Posted by G26 Lol at you fags talking like the ms3 is some race prepped shit from the factory. Guyz, a base model mustang that costs $20k makes more power and is as fast. Shit my accord has 10 more hp. Sent from my iPhone

Guyz, A base model stang has 323 gears and is not as fast.

Your shit accord has 10 more hp.....sweet!

I know you still come here because lets face it......you miss your GenPu. Hugz n kissez!

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by G26 Lol you fags talking like the ms3 is some race prepped shit from the factory. Guyz, a base model mustang that costs $20k makes more power and is as fast. Shit my accord has 10 more hp. Sent from my iPhone

The Mustang was one of the least impressive cars I have driven so far. It was very slow and the interior was very lackluster.

I have to say now having driven the WRX and BRZ the MS3 still sounds like a good value. I'm not sure which car I will buy but I like the overall package of the Mazda. The BRZ really lived up to the hype but the lack of power is still there. The question is, is it safe to get a preowned MS3? They're a lot cheaper.

[dubdiaz]

I myself went from 07 fg2 ( intake exhaust headers flashpro) to a 08 speed3 (injen CAI , stage 1 cobb AP)
All i gotta say is....UPGRADE!! The drive is a lot better, and the hatchyness is beastmode

[pochylkospeed3]

My stage 1 mazdaspeed will walk any mustang other than boss as well as a stupid accord handles fairly good, a 2010 civic si keeps up with me hondas are all about the driver so dont let that ypour wife beat one get you down he didnt know how to drive mazda is same as honda but honda is na either buy a ms3 or keep and mod your honda mustangs are a joke

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by MD1032 The Mustang was one of the least impressive cars I have driven so far. It was very slow and the interior was very lackluster. I have to say now having driven the WRX and BRZ the MS3 still sounds like a good value. I'm not sure which car I will buy but I like the overall package of the Mazda. The BRZ really lived up to the hype but the lack of power is still there. The question is, is it safe to get a preowned MS3? They're a lot cheaper.

Yea its safe to buy preowned just have to know what to look for. There is a thread in here somewhere that tells you everything to look for. Try and find one not molested to bad.
If its a gen 1 and its anywhere close to 70k miles make sure the VVT has been replaced, if it hasnt i would try and find one that has had it replaced. If your VVT goes out after the 70k extended warrenty for that issue then it is going to suck for you. The only other big issue is a smoky turbo that is also warrentied out to 70k but if that goes, just rebuild the k04, or go BT

Originally Posted by pochylkospeed3 My stage 1 mazdaspeed will walk any mustang other than boss as well as a stupid accord handles fairly good, a 2010 civic si keeps up with me hondas are all about the driver so dont let that ypour wife beat one get you down he didnt know how to drive mazda is same as honda but honda is na either buy a ms3 or keep and mod your honda mustangs are a joke

LOL at stage 1. there are not such things as stages people really need to learn this already. Also if you are running a stage 1 OTS cobb tune, go get a real tune already. they OTS tunes arnt bad but a tune from one of the many tuners on here will really wake up your car

[MizzyMS3]

Originally Posted by pochylkospeed3 My stage 1 mazdaspeed will walk any mustang other than boss as well as a stupid accord handles fairly good, a 2010 civic si keeps up with me hondas are all about the driver so dont let that ypour wife beat one get you down he didnt know how to drive mazda is same as honda but honda is na either buy a ms3 or keep and mod your honda mustangs are a joke

dafuq did you say? Punctuation please, it does a sentence wonders.

[G26]

Originally Posted by pochylkospeed3 My stage 1 mazdaspeed will walk any mustang other than boss as well as a stupid accord handles fairly good, a 2010 civic si keeps up with me hondas are all about the driver so dont let that ypour wife beat one get you down he didnt know how to drive mazda is same as honda but honda is na either buy a ms3 or keep and mod your honda mustangs are a joke

Did you fall off the short bus on the way to school this morning?


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[dubtastic]

the maturity level in this thread just tanked. Its always disappointing to hear how one car is better than the other. It truly comes down to the driver. Ive seen showroom stock sedans outhandle and produce better numbers around a solo2 course than cars prepped with expensive suspensions and power adders.

Is it so hard to offer the OP quality information?

[pochylkospeed3]

ya cobb maps dont work in alberta, dyno tuned at lightspeed making 287hp and 355 tq with intake and cat/res delete lol. sorry didnt know we couldnt read.. and wtf? i was telling him that hondas are as fast as ms3 they just need more mods and not to let speed be a decision maker if your gonna mod anyway.

[buddha]

Originally Posted by G26 Lol at you fags talking like the ms3 is some race prepped shit from the factory. Guyz, a base model mustang that costs $20k makes more power and is as fast. Shit my accord has 10 more hp. Sent from my iPhone

What does a Mustang have to do with anything? Comparing a Civic Si and an MS3 makes sense - they're direct competitors. Who the hell says "Yeah, so my choice is between a base model V6 Mustang and a Civic Si/ MS3"? No one.

Originally Posted by pochylkospeed3 My stage 1 mazdaspeed will walk any mustang other than boss as well as a stupid accord handles fairly good, a 2010 civic si keeps up with me hondas are all about the driver so dont let that ypour wife beat one get you down he didnt know how to drive mazda is same as honda but honda is na either buy a ms3 or keep and mod your honda mustangs are a joke

... I laughed. Thanks.


Beyond that, to the OP -- The MS3 has a more solid stock-ride, and as a general rule the tuning communities offer more. Respect to anyone that puts in wrench time, and cares for their ride. After having owned more than a handful of modified vehicles, I'd say the MS3 platform is one of the better ones out there.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by azenmind What does a Mustang have to do with anything? Comparing a Civic Si and an MS3 makes sense - they're direct competitors. Who the hell says "Yeah, so my choice is between a base model V6 Mustang and a Civic Si/ MS3"? No one. ... I laughed. Thanks. Beyond that, to the OP -- The MS3 has a more solid stock-ride, and as a general rule the tuning communities offer more. Respect to anyone that puts in wrench time, and cares for their ride. After having owned more than a handful of modified vehicles, I'd say the MS3 platform is one of the better ones out there.

Sorry but the SI and ms3 are no where close to direct competitors. The MS3 is in a whole other class. Currently the direct competition to the MS3 is the focus ST, Cobalt ss/tc, caliber srt4, gti. And I'm sure I'm missing a couple but the SI is defently not in the same category

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[StellarSpeed]

I came from a 11 si sedan last night. Do it. Ms3 is a way better car

[G26]

Originally Posted by azenmind What does a Mustang have to do with anything? Comparing a Civic Si and an MS3 makes sense - they're direct competitors. Who the hell says "Yeah, so my choice is between a base model V6 Mustang and a Civic Si/ MS3"? No one. ... I laughed. Thanks. Beyond that, to the OP -- The MS3 has a more solid stock-ride, and as a general rule the tuning communities offer more. Respect to anyone that puts in wrench time, and cares for their ride. After having owned more than a handful of modified vehicles, I'd say the MS3 platform is one of the better ones out there.

I'm saying the way some of you talk, you would think the ms3 is a Ferrari for $24k.


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[pochylkospeed3]

it's just the best car out there for the money there's no question in that. And my buddy had a 2012 si and we were side by side he was asian and never showed me under the hood lol. but i couldnt get more than a car on him its all about the driver.

[Deldran]

Originally Posted by pochylkospeed3 it's just the best car out there for the money there's no question in that. And my buddy had a 2012 si and we were side by side he was asian and never showed me under the hood lol. but i couldnt get more than a car on him its all about the driver.

Yea and you need a driver mod bad if u can't pull away from an si. Yea driver mode helps but not much driver mod involved in a sushi roll. Flat foot shift and brake boost

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[pochylkospeed3]

lol, dont tell me i need a driver mod ill rape a SI just saying his was fast as fuck, i couldnt pull on him. point being if you spend enough time and money on a car it will be fast regardless of the platform you start with. And respect to anyone who puts in the wrench time.

[JgamB]

Originally Posted by pochylkospeed3 it's just the best car out there for the money there's no question in that. And my buddy had a 2012 si and we were side by side he was asian and never showed me under the hood lol. but i couldnt get more than a car on him its all about the driver.

Stock, Si vs MS3 is only about the driver if you're doing something horribly wrong. I think that is what the OP was asking about.

When I did the research to turbo my Si, it was going to cost in the neighborhood of 6k unless I wanted to go all E-bay and drive a time bomb. That wasn't an exciting prospect - hence the new MS3.

It's not a Ferrari by any stretch, but it's also not going to get left in the dust by your average V6 family truckster like the Civic.

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by Deldran Sorry but the SI and ms3 are no where close to direct competitors. The MS3 is in a whole other class. Currently the direct competition to the MS3 is the focus ST, Cobalt ss/tc, caliber srt4, gti. And I'm sure I'm missing a couple but the SI is defently not in the same category Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

I agree to a point. They compete from the standpoint that both are sub 25k vehicles aimed at a 18-35 male demographic. The speed just happens to be the love child of the tuning arm of Mazda.

The Si has gotten pudgy and soft in the middle, where as the competition has been beefing up all summer, bigger power, better handling, more tech. Having spent a bit of time on earth and having owned a gti, si, gen1 and gen2 speed. I can say they all very capable in their own right.

To the OP, the practicality of the speed along with its decent fuel economy make it a great car. The only downside may be resale in a couple of years, where Honda seems to always do better.

[JgamB]

Originally Posted by dubtastic To the OP, the practicality of the speed along with its decent fuel economy make it a great car. The only downside may be resale in a couple of years, where Honda seems to always do better.

According to KBB the resale values taper from 4% better at 3 years to 6% better at 5 years for the Si. That equates to a few hundred bucks, and there's no way in hell I'd go back to the lawnmower torque for that amount of cash.

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by JgamB According to KBB the resale values taper from 4% better at 3 years to 6% better at 5 years for the Si. That equates to a few hundred bucks, and there's no way in hell I'd go back to the lawnmower torque for that amount of cash.

Lol I had all but forgotten what it was like having to drop two gears in order to get passing power. On the right track the Si can truly shine, but it really needs running room. That should all be fixed once Honda goes turbo within the next couple of years.

[dubdiaz]

Originally Posted by dubtastic .

Nice name lol


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[NeoKraSH]

Originally Posted by RhINoX^ I have EP3 and 8th gen civic as well. Speed3 is in different league.

Also a former EP3 owner and they do not compare to the MS3. IMO, switch

[dubtastic]

Originally Posted by dubdiaz Nice name lol Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk 2

Same to you Sir, a tip of the hat!

[MD1032]

Originally Posted by Deldran Yea its safe to buy preowned just have to know what to look for. There is a thread in here somewhere that tells you everything to look for. Try and find one not molested to bad. If its a gen 1 and its anywhere close to 70k miles make sure the VVT has been replaced, if it hasnt i would try and find one that has had it replaced. If your VVT goes out after the 70k extended warrenty for that issue then it is going to suck for you. The only other big issue is a smoky turbo that is also warrentied out to 70k but if that goes, just rebuild the k04, or go BT

I'm steering towards a certified preowned genpu at this point. The 10 year/100k powertrain warranty is attractive. I know the gen1 has a better reputation compared to the genpu, but I think the interior of the pu is better and from reading online, it appears that it would be more slightly reliable than a gen1. Trashed cars are easy for me to spot, so I'm not worried about that.

As for the OP's topic, I really don't consider the Mazdaspeed3 and Civic Si to be in the same league regardless of the pricing. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Civic Si isn't a huge upgrade from the regular Civic. The Mazdaspeed3, you can't possibly confuse it with the regular Mazda3. The Si's K24 has reasonable power, but that's about all you get for your money. The MS3 isn't much more and leaves the Si in the dust on many fronts.