Too bad we don't have BBR here in the US

[Vansquish]

While it may not be the cheapest way to go, it'd be nice if we had this kind of aftermarket support. This shit's even warranteed.

Driven: BBR Mazda 3 MPS 320

[Hamilton69]

NICE! im just saying... COBB needs some staged kits, warrenty is always a plus but cobbs stuff is great enough quality that you wont need it!

[G26]

That would be pretty cool.

...the parts prices & "fitting" charges are actually quite fair in a world of inflated parts prices & labor rates...

Price: £1,645 (Stage 2) + £395 (fitting). BBR Springs £165 + £300 (fitting inc. full geometry set up)

Stage 2 parts:............................................ ........£1,645.00 = $2,562.75

Stage 2 fitting (installation):................................... ..£ 395.00 = $ 615.37

BBR Springs:.......................................... ................£ 165.00 = $ 257.05

BBR Springs fitting inc. geometry set up:......................£ 300.00 = $ 467.37

Total expense........................................... ...........£2,505.00 = $3,902.54

Might be well worth the just under $4k expense for a second party set up that comes with a warranty.

[802MS3]

thats sick. they should come to the US.

[Vansquish]

Yeah...all told it actually isn't exhorbitantly expensive, though it is a little on the pricy side. Assuming that they produce products with decent build quality, I'd be happy to drop 4k to get that kind of improvement over stock...particularly if there's a chance of a larger turbo and ~ 400bhp.

[G26]

I wonder what kinda hpfp they are using.

[802MS3]

[Mousse Penier]

That's pretty fantastic. We need that shit here now. I'd drop money on that stuff in a heartbeat...especially if it's warrantied!

[forcedinduktion]

Who needs warranty

[stang9779]

Looks pretty good. I bet shipping would be pricy.

I bet @JP@edgeautosport.com would be willing to make up a kit for you.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Looks like an accessport and bolt-ons to me. But being warrantied is cool. Sounds like its for the type of person that doesn't want to mod but wants it to be better. I love modding and choosing what goes on the car too much to buy something like this. Now if I was choosing between a 430 and a 430 Scuderia....I'll choose the factory tuned upgrade

[Scoobs]

Originally Posted by JP@edgeautosport.com Looks like an accessport and bolt-ons to me. But being warrantied is cool. Sounds like its for the type of person that doesn't want to mod but wants it to be better. I love modding and choosing what goes on the car too much to buy something like this. Now if I was choosing between a 430 and a 430 Scuderia....I'll choose the factory tuned upgrade

Great MS3, but all this can be done by buying parts from Edge Autosport, Cobb, CP-E and Corksport.

JP, the GTX28 series is out now too. Any good from using a GTX28RS or other GTX28 series. I like the GtX30 series but I like the fast spool of the K04...

[Pu Manchu]

Pretty sure UK doesn't have any good tuning options like the accessport, so there's probably more market for this type of staged upgrade over there.

[2k4_8]

It's a stage two car we're driving, the engine zesty and the raw power available making it indecently quick for a hot hatch. There's now a simply colossal spread of torque: for example, you can leave a 30mph zone in fourth gear at around 2,500rpm, summon full throttle, and the MPS will surge forward without a pause, the boost gauge hitting maximum almost instantly and one long seamless, torrent of acceleration then following.

Lol, Zoom Zoom Boom incoming.

[G26]

Originally Posted by 2k4_8 Lol, Zoom Zoom Boom incoming.

Yeah. wtf are they doing going WOT in 4th at 2500rpm. My car doesn't move much until 3000rpm anyway.

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

Originally Posted by hiacre Pretty sure UK doesn't have any good tuning options like the accessport, so there's probably more market for this type of staged upgrade over there.

That's actually a really good point lol.

Originally Posted by Scoobs Great MS3, but all this can be done by buying parts from Edge Autosport, Cobb, CP-E and Corksport. JP, the GTX28 series is out now too. Any good from using a GTX28RS or other GTX28 series. I like the GtX30 series but I like the fast spool of the K04...

Unfortunately the 2871 is not going to the GTX at least until further notice. So you'll have to swap the mani and get a little more custom setup to use the GTX28. You can make a GT/GTX3071 spool fast, especially at lower boost. The A/R is small enough on these bolt-on kits that it doesn't make it super laggy.

[Scoobs]

Originally Posted by JP@edgeautosport.com That's actually a really good point lol. Unfortunately the 2871 is not going to the GTX at least until further notice. So you'll have to swap the mani and get a little more custom setup to use the GTX28. You can make a GT/GTX3071 spool fast, especially at lower boost. The A/R is small enough on these bolt-on kits that it doesn't make it super laggy.

Ah ok, so when the K04 dies, I'll go for a GTX3071R. But I got a long way before I max out that little snail.

Eric PM sent!

[JP@edgeautosport.com]

@eric@edgeautosport ^^^

[Mizzle]

I found this pretty interesting:

Talking of the chassis, this car features BBR's own shorter springs (with softer rates than standard) but retains the standard MPS dampers.

http://www.bbrgti.com/

A BBR spec High flow fuel pump – the standard Mazda 2.3 DSI high pressure fuel pump is removed, disassembled and cleaned, the standard unit is reassembled with the addition of BBR's high flow internals and unit reinstalled – retaining the standard visual appearance but with much higher performance.

http://www.bbrgti.com/product_detail...e=18&model=413
http://www.bbrgti.com/starchip.php

2.3 DISI - StarChip Software Upgrade £549.95 Plus 38HP, 70NM. Custom remaps available with torque limits reduced or removed.

[Mizzle]

lol

"What do you use to tune? Why are the numbers so low?" or something to that effect.

Reply:

Hi RJ, thanks for your email, you guys in the US know how to make us smile! Your wheel HP figures over there equate to our flywheel BHP and normally less a further 25%, so if you have 500HP at the wheels, you'd be looking at around 400BHP at the flywheel over here. Sorry but even a true 400BHP at the flywheel would not last long at all on stock internals, I think you're a little over optimistic! Kind Regards, David ------------------------------------------- Sales - BBR GTi Ltd Tel/SMS: 01280 700700 Fax: 01280 700800 BBR GTi. - Performance Car Tuning Specialists - Air Filters, Conversions, Dash Kits, Exhausts, StarChip, Valves

lolwut?

[White Jade]

How come BBR company is capable only till 400 HP and in he US you get 500 HP or more without hardware upgrade?

Does it make any sense?

500 Hp that is like a lamborghini gallardo almost..

and i never find any 60-120mph times (or simply 0-Vmax times) !!!

ever !!

so what is that modding about ?!

[Lex]

Originally Posted by White Jade How come BBR company is capable only till 400 HP and in he US you get 500 HP or more without hardware upgrade? Does it make any sense? 500 Hp that is like a lamborghini gallardo almost.. and i never find any 60-120mph times (or simply 0-Vmax times) !!! ever !! so what is that modding about ?!

You'll need a larger turbo for 400whp which realistically is 460 bhp (we only lose 15% in drivetrain or so). That's also the cap for stock injectors.

[eugenes18t]

Im more curios about the springs.
Lower but similar spring rate

[White Jade]

BBR drop ?

[eugenes18t]

Originally Posted by White Jade BBR drop ?

Talking of the chassis, this car features BBR's own shorter springs (with softer rates than standard) but retains the standard MPS dampers. The additional elasticity to the springing is largely a good thing, and has calmed the ride quality somewhat. The subtle changes to the geometry mean that the car turns in more keenly than before too,

[Voltwings]

The numbers are also slightly skewed because a European Horsepower is not the same as an American horsepower due to units conversions. I believe the definition of one horsepower is the ability to move 50 lbs per foot per second, however since they use KG's and meters the numbers are different, hence why they say a stock "MPS" has 256 BHP. So that 320 (European) BHP is actually a little healthier and probably translates to right around 300 (american) WHP if im not mistaken, i didnt bother to actually do the math. That would be pretty cool.

[h0ckeyman]

I always wondered what how BHP compared to WHP. I assumed it meant at the crank but I guess I was wrong...

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Voltwings The numbers are also slightly skewed because a European Horsepower is not the same as an American horsepower due to units conversions. I believe the definition of one horsepower is the ability to move 50 lbs per foot per second, however since they use KG's and meters the numbers are different, hence why they say a stock "MPS" has 256 BHP. So that 320 (European) BHP is actually a little healthier and probably translates to right around 300 (american) WHP if im not mistaken, i didnt bother to actually do the math. That would be pretty cool.

No. 320bhp is not going to be 300whp.

You weren't wrong. Bhp is crank HP.

[SpeedRebirth]

320 horsepower (metric hk, DIN, PS) = 315.622 horsepower (hp)

Thats would be the same as BHP since its the power inside the engine/crank.
WHP you have to calculate with the driveline loss, which is (15%??) for ms3 and ~20 for ms6?

[Voltwings]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 No. 320bhp is not going to be 300whp. You weren't wrong. Bhp is crank HP.

The point i was making was that an american hp does not = a european, thats what the "mazdaspeed3" makes 263 bhp and the "mps3" makes 256. identical engines yes, ours is just "rated" slightly higher. So take what they're saying is 320 brake (European) horsepower and it should likewise translate to more brake (American) horsepower correct (and thusly more whp)? Please correct me if im wrong but this seems to make sense, the cars make the same power its just different units of measurement. 12 inches is not more than a foot just because theres 12 of them you know?

[Tokay444]

Measurement is what I do. I'm an aerospace machinist. I don't care what they're units are.
That cock is trying to say our ms3's with 500whp, would be the equivalent of their 400bhp. Which is 100% certainly not the case.

[Voltwings]

Originally Posted by Tokay444 Measurement is what I do. I'm an aerospace machinist. I don't care what they're units are. That cock is trying to say our ms3's with 500whp, would be the equivalent of their 400bhp. Which is 100% certainly not the case.

oh yeah, i think you and i are talking about two different parts haha i agree 100% with what you are saying, i was just simply commenting that their "staged" kits looks to be about what a bolt on tune would be on one of our cars.

[Tokay444]

Yes.

[Stormtrooper6]

It looks like they have parts available for purchase but when you browse for them, the fuel pump internals don't show up, hmmm.....

Sent from the Death Star as it rebuilds....