TMIC or Racepipe?

[hackattack07]

Hey guys. So I'm stuck between my next mod and looking for some advice and or suggestions. Can't decide between a TMIC or a racepipe with high flow cat? Currently have CAI, TIH, RMM, BPV, fuel internals and AP running stage 1. Appreciate any help. Thanks

[calizoomzoom]

Racepipe, E 85, etune. done

[pwdunmore]

Originally Posted by calizoomzoom Racepipe, E 85, etune. done

+1, TMIC is will give you some power, but the racepipe is money better spent as it will give you more bang for your buck.

[hackattack07]

I was thinking racepipe would be more bang for my buck. I could run stage 2 with that correct? Also I'm not sure what E 85 means. Still in a learning phase haha

[calizoomzoom]

This should keep you busy for a while
MazdaSpeed 3/6 - E85 Fueling - Mazdaspeed Forums

[jack_hammer]

Gut your mid pipe for free, buy tmic, thank me

[hackattack07]

Originally Posted by jack_hammer Gut your mid pipe for free, buy tmic, thank me

Would that fail me for a state inspection (NY) ? Also could I run stage 2?

[Cheapspeed]

Originally Posted by hackattack07 Would that fail me for a state inspection (NY) ? Also could I run stage 2?

Stop right there and google your questions.

[hackattack07]

Originally Posted by Cheapspeed Stop right there and google your questions.

With Google I find mixed answers. However, asking on here I'm sure to get the same. Anyway, through google I found I won't fail smog if the second cat is replaced by a racepipe, so I'm assuming I wont need the high flow cat with the racepipe. As far as running stage 2 it looks like deleting one cat makes it ok..

[Shampu]

Congrats you can read unlike the other brownies on this site!

Now do the donate mod

[hackattack07]

Originally Posted by Shampu Congrats you can read unlike the other brownies on this site! Now do the donate mod

haha yes going to be doing that one too!

[Yousuf]

Up next: Oil Catch Can or Big Turbo??

[Josegarcia020]

Racepipe easy choice!

[jack_hammer]

Originally Posted by hackattack07 Would that fail me for a state inspection (NY) ? Also could I run stage 2?

this is really against my values, but i'll answer your bad questions.

would it cause you to fail state inspection: how would i know? fucking yankees.
could you run stage 2: what does that even mean?

look, you clearly don't know what you're doing. so stop doing anything. figure out what you're doing. then make a decision.

all that said, a gutted mid pipe performs the exact same as a purchased test pipe. so, if you want a race pipe, you can do it for free by gutting your mid pipe instead.

now, don't ask any more questions about this because i assure you every answer regarding this has been written in multiple threads.

[jrotaryb]

Originally Posted by hackattack07 Would that fail me for a state inspection (NY) ? Also could I run stage 2?

No - you won't fail a NY inspection with a racepipe.

Yes, you can run stage 2 with the racepipe, but you're better off getting a professional E-tune than running an off-the-shelf map. The pro etune will end up being the best upgrade for your car...period.

[Yatta]

testpipe, if you are worried about appearing legal in your state, purchase a secondary cat from someone here (donate, for sale section is worth it) and gut it, remove yours and keep it on the shelf somewhere, visual inspection will pass with gutted secondary. if you go straight to e85 the stock TMIC is plenty, if not you will likely want a FMIC, mine is a daily driver and I am picky about throttle response so I stuck with an upgraded TMIC, but all of this was done after reading, a lot; after reading and deciding on what to do next; do yourself a favor and stay away from the cobb maps, check with one of the e-tuners doing OTS+ maps and purchase one, you will not regret it.

[state_of_max]

Race pipe, you will get bored of the "stage 2" OTS map really quick. And your car won't appreciate the knock as well.

[MSP6]

Plus when you get your door's blown off by someone with less mods and an e-tune...or halfway decent self tune.....

[SnailSpeed3]

If you're worried about NYS inspection, just find a friend who happens to also be a NYS certified inspector (or whatever title the job carries)...

Realistically though, if you read what all these guys are saying, you'll notice it comes down to YOUR preference... Do you plan to continue upgrading the vehicle? If so go race pipe now, then intercooler when you get bored, or gut the stock mid pipe and buy and intercooler and be happy. E85 can add tons of fun as well, depending on the availability in your area, it may be worth it to look into.

MOST importantly though, get yourself a decent tune. I can personally say that Justin's OTS+ Freektune is by far a much superior tune than the Cobb OTS crap...

P.S. Donate and you will have access to the For Sale section where good deals can be had on the parts you're looking for.

[SpencerC]

Surprised this thread is still getting comments... Obvious choice is obvious.

Get both.
Lol. Then for NYS inspection simply swap to stock.

[MSP6]

Meh, as long as you only have one light as unready it doesn't matter. Nobody does the visual check beyond safety in NY anyways. I had full ebay downpipe and all they ever did was say "yeah you have one code for cat efficiency" or whatever it was. These guys at the chains are all jo shmos who don't know exactly what to look for so they're not gonna pick anything out for the most part.

Also, you shouldn't get any lights for a TP anyway, catless or not so its a non issue. Or get a resonated one instead of catted. They won't know the difference. Absolute worst case scenario like @Spencer@CorkSport; swap out for inspect. It will take you 10minutes tops.

But you wont have to stock out to pass anyways lol.

[mituc]

A racepipe will open the exhaust for more flow, which will help the turbo making more boost easier.
But what's the point of making more boost if you don't cool that charge? More boost and less timing results in the same power or even less, but a hotter engine.

So either do the TMIC first or both as stated above. You already have the fuel pump internals and an AP so you're good to go.

[MSP6]

Its been proven on here a bunch of times that TMIC/FMIC's don't really make any power on stock turbo. It flows more than the turbo is capable of and on pump gas once you start to push the K04 you're gonna blow hot air regardless unless you have E85/meth.

You'll get a little WGDC wiggle room but no real gainz from TMIC. It will still heat soak exactly the same. Even if you got BAT reductions of 10 degrees, you're not goign to feel it at all.

[SpencerC]

I disagree. I think a TMIC will totally be felt, but it isn't mind blowing. I have a lot of people tell me they noticed the difference.

[kolosok17]

Originally Posted by Yousuf Up next: Oil Catch Can or Big Turbo??

Oil catch can >.<

Originally Posted by Spencer@CorkSport I disagree. I think a TMIC will totally be felt, but it isn't mind blowing. I have a lot of people tell me they noticed the difference.

If you send me one, I'll gladly try it out and report my results

[SpencerC]

Originally Posted by kolosok17 If you send me one, I'll gladly try it out and report my results

I'll gladly report my results on how I spent your $400, if you send it to me! So, you get free TMIC and I get results, I get free $400 and you get results!

[mituc]

Originally Posted by MSP6 Its been proven on here a bunch of times that TMIC/FMIC's don't really make any power on stock turbo.

Been there, done that. It actually does a great deal.

[MSP6]

Originally Posted by Spencer@CorkSport I disagree. I think a TMIC will totally be felt, but it isn't mind blowing. I have a lot of people tell me they noticed the difference.

It will free up a some WGDC wiggle room so if they are on conservative boost levels they might "feel" the TMIC but what theyre actually feeling is the boost difference IMO.

Originally Posted by mituc Been there, done that. It actually does a great deal.

On pump gas it might give you (still mostly negligible) small results but I am talking about maxing the system, i.e E85 etc. The Intercooler can flow more than the turbo can so on corn and stock turbo, TMIC=engine bay dress up

Originally Posted by Spencer@CorkSport I'll gladly report my results on how I spent your $400, if you send it to me! So, you get free TMIC and I get results, I get free $400 and you get results!

Win-Win!

[Cheapspeed]

Originally Posted by MSP6 Its been proven on here a bunch of times that TMIC/FMIC's don't really make any power on stock turbo. It flows more than the turbo is capable of and on pump gas once you start to push the K04 you're gonna blow hot air regardless unless you have E85/meth. You'll get a little WGDC wiggle room but no real gainz from TMIC. It will still heat soak exactly the same. Even if you got BAT reductions of 10 degrees, you're not goign to feel it at all.

I definitely don't heatsoak as quickly or as bad with my cpe top mount. It's not so much about gaining power as much as retaining it. I think it's a worthwhile upgrade.

[Yatta]

re-reading this post... 'race pipe with a high flow cat' so;
there are 2 catalysts on our cars, the first is the 'down pipe' which also has the pre and post catalyst O2 sensors; the second is to scavenge anything that might have gotten past the first and is not monitored at all; when 'test-pipe' and/or 'race-pipe' are used it is the replacement of the second (center) catalyst. So, OP, did you mean down pipe with a high flow catalyst (which would take you to one catalyst as it would likely also replace the second cat) or just a straight pipe in the middle?

[SpencerC]

Originally Posted by Cheapspeed I definitely don't heatsoak as quickly or as bad with my cpe top mount. It's not so much about gaining power as much as retaining it. I think it's a worthwhile upgrade.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Yatta re-reading this post... 'race pipe with a high flow cat' so; there are 2 catalysts on our cars, the first is the 'down pipe' which also has the pre and post catalyst O2 sensors; the second is to scavenge anything that might have gotten past the first and is not monitored at all; when 'test-pipe' and/or 'race-pipe' are used it is the replacement of the second (center) catalyst. So, OP, did you mean down pipe with a high flow catalyst (which would take you to one catalyst as it would likely also replace the second cat) or just a straight pipe in the middle?

Diagram for simplicity attached.